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1 hour ago, Kyle Ayersman said:

Gelsosomos and Edwardos are both good joints. I miss having multiple pizza locations. I really miss not having an Italian beef shop near me.

Just come back and coach up here. You can have a good beef whenever you want... LOL

49 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

It is fun to go get some Chicago Stye:  I would rate 1. Lou Malnati's, 2. Giordano's 3. Geno's East.             Geno's East is a tourist trap,  its fun to write on the walls.   But the last time i went there which was the the famous one downtown, my waiter was higher than a hippie on bad acid at Woodstock.   Literally took 45 minutes to get water.

Yes those are great Deep dish places. I am just talking Chicago tavern pizza in general. We have some of the best Italian beef up here too. PJ's by Andrean HS used to be great, but I haven't had it in a long time. Nothing beats going to the southside and getting some Riccobene's 

10 hours ago, Kyle Ayersman said:

This is tough. I'm a huge fan of Aurelio's, however, you have to do the original one in Homewood if you're going to do it right. I love Beggar's but may be in the minority there. Deep dish is not what most people from the Chicago-land area eat. It's a cool thing to get once or twice a year but not every time you get pizza.

I am a huge fan of Edwardos, house of pizza, and Gelsosomos. Best pizza is over the border in Chi. I am burnt out on this one but if you never had it you have to try JJs pizza shack: stuffed crust pizza.

13 hours ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

 

Just in case if I'm up in the Region and hungry,  what is the best pizza in the world? 

1 minute ago, Galagore said:

 

Excuse me, there are no houses next door to Papa's Pizza in Culver...

5 hours ago, SWINfan said:

Pizza King Pizza is very average.  Excellent Strombolis, however.  For good pizza, go to Turoni's. it's tried and true with 3 locations.  Evansville pizza is more typically like the thin Crust Chicago Tavern style, cut in squares.  

I live right next to the best pizza in the world, I probably won't be having pizza down there. Unless someone holds me hostage. lol What are those bags of chips that everyone raves about down there?

@3H3 81 post in this topic. No one is touching that record. 

Saw pizza mentioned and was intrigued. Never had this Pizza king that everyone speaks of...if we are choosing an IHSAA state location based upon who has the best pizza, Da Region is a no brainer. 

Right? @regionrat1 @ontherise219

At Hobart, we have a sports mural in our field house. Previously, Hobart had 21 sports represented in this mural. With the addition of girls wrestling, and boys volleyball there had to be additions to the mural. Girls wrestling on our sports mural forever. Even better that the art is based off Hobart's first ever girls wrestling state placer, Keirys Click. 

21 hours ago, Lawdiggity said:

I wasn’t aware Jones and Dickman wrestled each other!  I kid, I kid . . . 

Well, it happened and there was no one in the stands because it was the last match… I kid, I kid…

5 hours ago, SWINfan said:

He gave you their logic.  You (nor I) have to agree with it, but it's right there.  

"So if they currently won’t allow a random order then they need much more convincing to consider ever highlight a specific individual match at the end over the rest of the matches. "

This topic comes up frequently, never more so than before the 2016 Finals.  It's not new.  As fans, we see solid reasoning to do it.  The IHSAA in general has to decide if making such a chance could be a slippery slope to allow other changes in other sports. As with the placement of next year's State Finals, there is a bigger picture than most fans consider.  
 

When was the Logic (reasoning behind their decision of a rule) posted? 
 

I understand trying to highlight all athletes, but how many were in the stands to see Leighton Jones win state vs Revin Dickman? So are we really highlighting all athletes? 

2 hours ago, CoachDuke2.0 said:

I like the idea. However, it they didn’t do it for Nick Lee vs Chad Red who I believe were #1 and #2 in the country at that time (feel free to correct me if im wrong) I don’t think it is going to happen. 

They didn't, but they should have.

On 3/20/2023 at 8:42 PM, MattM said:

Well someone would have to change the IHSAA mind on this.  

 

Per the Winter Bulletin:

NOTE – A random order draw for championship final matches in the IHSAA individual tournament series is NOT TO BE USED. Championship matches throughout the individual tournament series shall be conducted in weight class order beginning with the 106 pound weight class.

 

 

So if they currently won’t allow a random order then they need much more convincing to consider ever highlight a specific individual match at the end over the rest of the matches. 

 

 While I agree it would be nice to see something like a potential 4xer go last, the IHSAA seems pretty steadfast on respecting/honoring all athletes involved rather than trying to place the focus on a specific individual or matchup. 

 

I can understand at Sectionals, Regionals, Semi-State. But why not the state finals?

We started the state finals in 2022 at 152 lbs first round.... I just do not understand the logic behind their rule.

The Red vs. Lee match should have been the last match, Mendez 4x should have been the last match, etc. etc. 

Hobart will be there!

Riley Lefever on varsity 2?

1 hour ago, Joe Exotics Wildcats said:

What happened to the Scholastic Duals that were for just freshman, sophomores, and juniors?? I started following when it was in PA then it moved to Wabash, anyone know what happened to those?? Seemed to be a solid event for some and many got close to 8-10 matches.

Covid put a halt to the tournament. Never restarted. 

5 hours ago, Coach Brobst said:

To be fair, he didn't say the HCC looked to be the best, he said it was deeper, based on numbers from the respective champs of each conference.

 

Let's examine:

 

DAC: 22 total qualifiers, 11 from CP, 5 from Merillville, 3 from Chesterton, 2 from Lake Central, 1 from Laporte. Portage, Valparaiso, and Michigan City all shut out this year.

 

HCC: 25 total qualifiers, 9 from Brownsburg, 4 from Zionsville, 3 from HSE, 3 from Westfield, 2 from Avon, 2 from Noblesville and 1 each from Fishers and Franklin Central.

 

HOWEVER: it is worth noting that the HCC has 6 of the 8 member schools feeding through the New Castle Semi-State and 2 from Evansville, opening up more potential spots that the DAC doesn't have, so those numbers are skewed a little.

 

What could be interesting is comparing all 8 schools as dual teams head to head to get a better feel of true "depth". 

Match-ups could look like this (based on placement at individual conference tourneys):

Crown Point vs. Brownsburg (we saw this actually happen)

Merillville vs Zionsville 

Portage vs Avon

Chesterton vs HSE

Lake Central vs Fishers

LaPorte vs Franklin Central

Valparaiso vs Westfield

Michigan City vs Noblesville

 

I don't know exactly how this DAC/HCC Challenge would go down, but I'll bet there'd be some very close duals in there. The only Head to heads I could find between Conferences were 

CP over Brownsburg at Team State

Portage over Fishers at Traicoff

Fishers over Valparaiso at Traicoff

 

I'd say when you take it all into consideration, the DAC may have the edge on a better post-season, and the HCC may have a small edge in depth of teams. Both conferences are very good though. 

 

 

 

Add in that this was the first time in I think 40 years that Portage didn’t have a qualifier. 
 

If based on rankings by the expert @ontherise219 

DAC: 35 ranked 

HCC: 28 Ranked 

Very close, but I think DAC has the edge in tournaments and possibly duals. Merrillville was a really good team this year both duals and tournaments, and lost to Portage. Portage had a tough team. Chesterton and Zionsville have beat each other in tournaments. Zionsville took 2nd at HCC, Chesterton took 4th at DAC. 

Obviously a little bias, but Zack Fattore.

102-8 in his career.

14-1 as a Freshman, his only loss was to Tommy Cash. Didn't wrestle the rest of the season.

9-1 as a Sophomore, Injury default. End of season.

37-5 as a Junior. 2 Losses to Swank, 1 to Penola, Sprained ankle in quarter finals wrestled on 1 leg against Webster and lost 5-1, Injury default in 3/4 match. Ended 4th in the State.

Ohhhh Senior year, was 41-0 going into the semi finals of state- had 2 Techs in the previous rounds, then had a (Very) bad call that gave him his 1st loss in the semis against Rader. Crary injury defaulted the 3/4 match. Zack finished 3rd and 42-1.

Zack Fattore Profile

40 minutes ago, Barn Burner said:

DAC looks the best! 5 Champs, and please I don't care if 4 of them are from same team. 

On 2/28/2023 at 12:48 PM, Gasman said:

Based on this it seems HCC is the deeper conference. If you remove one team from Duneland it removes a lot of strength, if you remove the best team from HCC you still have the best numbers. 

Well you can't just remove teams.......

Also DAC had a better winning percentage Friday. With or without those teams.

On 2/18/2023 at 9:15 PM, tyquhp13 said:

I hear (or read) so much about what semi state is best represented at state. What conference has the best showing at state?

DAC- 5 champs, 9 placers, 8 qualifiers 

106- 5th, 7th

113- 5th

120- 2nd, Q, Q

126- 3rd, Q, Q

132- 4th, Q

138- Q

145- 1st ,3rd,

152- 7th

160- 1st, Q, Q

170- 1st

182- 1st

195-

220- 1st

285- 3rd

1 hour ago, Coach Mikesell said:

The spots on the team are filling up quickly, but we are having a hard time finding seniors at 106.   If you are a senior that wrestled 106 contact Dan Mikesell at daniel.mikesell@mooresvilleschools.org with your credentials and we will get these spots filled.  

 

 

Xavier Chavez is a senior from Mishawaka. @Steven Sandefer ??

44 minutes ago, maligned said:

Yeah, this idea of a crowded tournament site is especially tricky to grasp when one site clearly has more high-end talent than another..

 

In the KV example, if every guy in your lineup had to face only KV's lineup to advance guys to the next round of a tournament, you'd much rather face them than Portage, even though Portage famously didn't have a state qualifier and KV has a champ. The champ doesn't mean much when you've got 14 advancement slots at stake.

 

The same goes for sectionals and regionals when 56 advancement slots are at stake. For categories, we're not asking if one site has 6 state qualifiers compared to another's 2. We're asking how hard it is to claim one of those 56 slots and move on to regional or semi-state.

I get the concept...Doesn't mean I have to like it haha

It burned us a little this year, but honestly we just have to win more. I believe we can be good enough to earn a vote in spot.

Now, how do you feel about the HWT situation that was brought up?

38 minutes ago, CoachM said:

Bummer, we host a tournament that date. Maybe we can work on a different date, we would entertain a week night dual if necessary

Let me talk to Coach Cook and see what we can do!

1 minute ago, CoachM said:

What is the day of the tournament? 

I believe the date next year is December 16th. Right before the vote in.

1 hour ago, CoachM said:

While we are a category 3 regional we are still playing from behind as well. McCutcheon returns 12 starters, 5 semistate qualifiers who all made the ticket round, and 2 state place winners. We had an injury at sectionals where a kid won first round over an eventual semistate qualifier, we beat that kid 2x this season, but took 6th because of the injury. We missed out on an autobid by 4 points and that would have given us 9 more points and we would have qualified without that injury. 

Never said that McCutchen wasn't doing something well. I was just stating how the Hobart Regional is a category 2 and had 9 qualifiers at 9 different weights. That is something the Logansport regional does not have, but are ranked higher because there are more teams that feed into the Regional. Due to "Crowdedness" the Logansport Reg is in a higher category, not because of Talent.

Not to mention, Portage is in our sectional/regional and they didn't have a qualifier for the first time in a long time. 

I am being stubborn, I do not think that the HWT we beat first round of Regionals should have scored more team state points than the Hobart HWT. Our sectional, was deep at HWT. Top 4 at our sectional; 2 ranked in the state, 2 in the semi-state. 3 of which made it to semi-state. 1 placed 5th at state.

51 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

 I love all this regional toughness talk.   Its like the good old days.  With that said, Hobart vs McCutcheon would be a good duel to settle this on the mat next year.

OH @Wrestling Scholar how I've missed our chats!! They can come to the Hobart Super Dual.... I wouldn't mind. McCutchen has some good dudes, and good coaches.

13 minutes ago, maligned said:

I know you know this, but number of placers has nothing to do with sectional or regional crowdedness. It's like saying KV is probably a better duals team than you because they got a state champ. They're two disconnected concepts only very slightly related. Also, if your regional had been a 3, you'd still be at 153. 

Yes I know it doesn't change much of the score, but also I believe that we would have scored more than 153, because I believe that the category of our sectional would have went up as well. My 132, 160, 182 all received, sectional points when they wrestled at the regional. that is 6 more points. Then add in the extra 11 that my 220 would have had, that would have drawn us up to 160 points.

Now, I think that the system is great. I do believe that the guy that we beat at HWT first round of regionals should not earn more points than us, but this is the only thing I have to complain about. I can complain about the categories all day, I am not the expert. lol

Now crowdedness, I understand that there is more teams there, but the level of competition is different. 

For example: Hobart Regional: 113-Placer 126- Qualifier 132- Placer 138-Qualifier 152- Placer 160- Qualifier 170-Placer 182- Placer 285- Placer. 9 different weight classes had a competitor at state from the Hobart Regional.