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I think a Perry v.s. Yorktown dual meet would be awesome! Both great programs and both great coaches. If the weather doesn't allow for traveling that could be a nice substitute.
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I am assuming Warren Central has a lot of its varsity upper weights missing due to football season?
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Perry Meridian wrestlemania 19 Tuesday 6pm
FormerHornet replied to indyt's topic in Past Discussions
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I would love to see high school allow more edge of the mat wrestling. It seems to me in high school as soon as you get near the edge its time to reset. Some of the most intense scrambles and best takedowns occur on the edge of the mat in college.
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Is there not an "optional" technicality? I have no idea just speculating as to how a school might possibly get away with it.
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Wouldn't Maurer fall into this list since he also was a 4x undefeated champion?
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Indiana University is a basketball hotbed. Its recent history is that of a program in shambles but the name Indiana University is a lot like Alabama football or Michigan football they may have down years but eventually they will consistently be among the nations best. The verdict on Michigan's head coach is still out; however, we have seen what a great coach can do with athletes at Alabama. Nick Saban's the nations best. Most universities just don't care about their wrestling programs; even if they have great success. The reality of it is there are only two revenue generating sports in college athletics at the Division 1 level... Those being mens football and basketball. Even within Division 1 football and basketball only a % of those schools profit. On a micro level only 7 BCS football teams profited. One of which profited heavily due to its contract with NBC. I work for a university that's athletic department is $9,000,000.00 in debt from simply having a Division 1 football team. We have a sub-par basketball team that fortunately breaks even. Bottom line, the only reason many universities keep sports teams around is due to developing a "brand" and has nothing to due with generating revenue from the auxiliary unit of athletics. Wrestling, Baseball, Soccer, Track, and women's sports receive little backing from the universities. That is typical. As far as fan support that doesn't matter either. Ultimately, if you want a better coach at a university the goal is alumni dollars. Its a sad reality. If IU had wealthy alumni that made their donations contingent on updating the wrestling room, increasing the coaches salary, and increase recruiting expenditures then IU would make great strides.
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It shows Stevenson is wrestling out of Las Vegas, NV. Will he no longer be in the Hoosier state?
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I'd have to agree on paper they look extremely tough; that's nothing new though. However, Perry Meridian is the top dog until someone takes them down and EMD has reloaded. Looks like they should be the top 3 teams going into it.
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I am excited to see EMD this year. It is almost impossible to find a better individual than Coach Schaffer all around great guy. As far as EMD being back on top? Until someone beats Perry Meridian it is there crown but EMD looks like they have the team that could potentially do it. It will be an exciting season for sure.
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Indiana's top five programs all time
FormerHornet replied to ENoblewrestling's topic in Past Discussions
This is a fun post: This is not developed solely based on state titles but overall reputation in the wresting community and programs that continue to perform at an extremely high level. 1) EMD for obvious reasons. 2) Lawrence North 3) Bellmont 4) Mishawaka 5) Perry Meridian HM: Cathedral, Franklin, and Bloomington South. Schools like Southport (of old) and Delta could also make the list. -
I completely spaced those two. Without question you are right Coach those two are studs. Indiana is heading in the right direction for wrestling. Maybe even a top 2 or 3 finish.
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The Cadets and Juniors both represented Indiana well. If Micic would have competed with the Juniors the state may have placed even higher. Without question Indiana wrestling is getting better each year. There are a lot of good coaches in the state now and a lot of programs starting to develop strong traditions. I am excited to see the continued transition.
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Too many variables generation, competition, style, lifetime accomplishments vs. in a certain time frame vs one year, to ever narrow it down. I absolutely agree just too many variables. I do believe there are three time champions that are better than some of the four time state champions. But it is not really possible to quantify. Nor is it really possible to quantify a four time being better than a 2 or 3 time champion. So many undefinable factors. So it is all speculation. Nonetheless Sliga is one of the all time greats.
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It's hard to really gauge this question. There are just so many variables. Greatest freestyle or greco wrestler? A case could easily be made. Greatest folkstyle wrestler? Up for debate. Indiana has put together a recent list of studs who are having success in division 1 and internationally. In my mind it is hard to put anyone above Andrew Howe as far as the best wrestler in Indiana's History. However, you do have a list of studs such as Reece Humphrey and Angel Escebedo who have been performing at extremely high levels for sometime now. We can't ignore Tsirtsis either. He has yet to begin his varsity career at Northwestern but I'd imagine he will have GREAT success on the wrestling mat and a couple of national titles when it is all said and done. Micic has yet to finish his high school career and has been impressive to say the least. Not taking anything away from Sliga- this kid is an absolute stud and I look for him to one day bring home a gold medal and a couple of division 1 national titles. Until that time the verdict is still out. Definitely one of the greatest of all time though.
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They would have to purchase rights. Neither of those films are public domain yet. The cost varies usually based on the success of the film or the company that produced it. Disney tends to be the most expensive. I work at Arizona State University and just to screen a movie on campus costs $500.00+ for rights. Occasionally we can dodge the cost if it is for an academic purpose- tenants of academic freedom.
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Sadly pressure on Purdue and IU won't help. I am currently studying Higher Education and currently on average, when broken down to a microlevel, virtually all division 1 universities are losing $9.5 million each year due to athletics. (Microlevel meaning cost of travel, tutors, coaches salaries, scholarships, legal fees, maintaining athletic facilities, ticket sales representatives, hiring athletic trainers, and so on) Almost every major university in America is hemorrhaging money due to sports. So the pressure most all universities are facing is how to subsidize the cost of sports. Often as a result of trying to save money they cut non revenue generating sports. Part of the issue is kids in Indiana are conditioned at birth to pick up a basketball. Hoosier lore is true. Indiana hands down is the best basketball state in the United States and is not even close to the most populated. Why? Because of tradition, fantastic coaching, media coverage, the relatively speaking cheap costs to participate, the abundance of youth leagues, the AAU system which promotes traveling to face elite competition, it's classed so more kids have the ability on a "big" stage to showcase their talent, and many more factors. Indiana wrestling is slowly heading in the right direction. But it is going to take sometime. I think something to consider if the Olympics do not reinstate wrestling the effects could be devastating for the sport and I foresee many universities cutting programs due to the fact their would be no more room for advancement in the sport.
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I think every semi-state has depth and is good. I like seeing the diversity in styles of wrestling throughout region to region in the state. One thing I like about EMD (just like Perry and other schools) they are always in good position and aren't necessarily flashy but they don't beat themselves. If you beat one of their wrestlers it is because you took the match from them.
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Not taking away anything from Ed Pendowski but there are some great coaches in Central Indiana. Red of New Palestine, Williams of Warren Central, Moss of Ben Davis, and without question Coach Tonte of Perry Meridian. (Do not mean to exclude anyone- great season to all the coaches in the state) A majority of the population of Indiana lives in Central Indiana followed by the Region so of course with more wrestlers the greater opportunity for state champions and placers. But as a whole the entire state of Indiana is getting better at wrestling which I am excited to see the continued improvement carried into next season.
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Kind of reminds me of Belmont who always seems to have some Baker boys. So EMD and Franklin are the teams to watch in terms of bringing home the team title at this tournament. That's good to know.
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Based on the rankings in each weight class is it safe to assume this is a two team race EMD and Union County? If it is a two team race is Union County the team to beat this year or is it still EMD? Don't know much about Kentucky wrestling but I have heard that Ervin is a stud.
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spartan classic conersville 32 team
FormerHornet replied to unknown wrestler's topic in Past Discussions
Does anyone know if Beech Grove will be there this year? Also, is the tournament this weekend? If it's not this weekend when is it? -
Sliga is a run away pound for pound this year. Can't ignore Micic though. He is a great wrestler.
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106 pm v bg, cn v wc 113 pm v bg, fc v wc 120 fc v pm, Jeff v wc 126 pm v Jeff, wc v fc 132 pm v sp, Jeff v bg 138 pm v bg, wc v fc 145 wc v Jeff, pm v fc 152 pm v Jeff, fc v bg 160 pm v wc, Jeff v fc 170 wc v cn, pm v Jeff 182 pm v fc, Jeff v cn 195 fc v bg, pm v Jeff 220 wc v pm, cn v fc 285 pm v cn, wc v Jeff Pm leads team score warren in second. Sorry don't have individual scores. Ill try to keep score of key matches