Clint Gard

Little kids in Mid Jan.  JV State qualifiers around Regionals (take kids that didn't make it out of sectionals and JV kids) JV state week after ISWA State, maybe with middle school State (which means moving that up, it's in a bad time right now because it is around a lot of middle school conferences now). Get little kids wrestling Freestyle/Greco starting mid January.  For those that don't want to stop folkstyle can shift over to HYWAY. 

I wouldn't say that I have scientific articles.  I have read many articles about youth sports that talk about this notion that we have to compete more than we train. Couple things kind of got me on to this idea about 10 years ago.  Jim Humphrey was doing an RTC at Peru and as the kids were wrestling live, he and I got on the subject and really opened my eyes.  The main thing I remember is him saying that we wrestle too much and don't practice enough.  We don't drill enough and work on the basics enough.  He said kids should not be competing every weekend and they should limit the number of national tourneys.  So, one thing I've tried to do when I go to camps or clinics is pick the brain of the clinician on this subject.  I have spoken to Valentin Kahlika (hopefully I spelled it correctly)...he is Aaron Pico's coach and he was adamant that we have our system backward in the U.S.  Jake Herbert came and did a 2 day clinic at Rochester and we talked a lot about their BASE system and it is very similar to what Valentin said.  The Soviets do it completely opposite of what we do.  When their kids start out, they spend 2-3 years doing tumbling and basic drills.  No competition and very little "live" wrestling.  The next 2-3 years, they continue with this path, adding more technique and "live".  They really start working on sparring and play wrestling at this point.  Kids might attend 2-3 tournaments in their region.  Once they are teenagers, is when they really start competing.  But here is the kicker...they still only compete about 5-7 times per year.  Jake and Valentin both said we put too much emphasis on competition and weight cutting.  I've talked to Tom Brands, Terry Brands, Cael Sanderson, John Smith, Bruce Baumgartner, Brandon Slay, and basically any other coach that has come to Wabash College's camp.  While they all have a little different spin on it, they all agree that we compete too much.  One of the things Valentin and Herbert both said is that sparring or play wrestling is vital to development.
 
There are some good articles out there on Russian Wrestling, specifically one region in Russia that has developed like 90% of all their Gold Medalists in freestyle wrestling.  My numbers might be off but it is a crazy stat.  Andy Hrovat went and trained there for 6 months and that is where he developed his ideas for the BASE system.  He kept a blog and talked a lot about how they do things.  It was very interesting.
 
Hope this helps!
 
Clint

It's been said a couple of times already I think but if Freestyle is something the ISWA wants to get back to in Indiana, then the focus and push will need to change.  I think Freestyle is great.  Loved it back in the late 80's and early 90's...it helped develop me at a very fast rate.  But back then, that's all there was.  Part of the problem is they started changing the rules and just made it really stupid IMO.  I think it is back to being what it once was, but all the rule changes turned a lot of people off to it.
 
Having said that...here is my 2 cents to pushing Freestyle again:
 
1.  Folkstyle Season for PeeWee-Schoolboy's will be November and December.  Tournaments can start the beginning of November and end just before Christmas Break.  We don't need to have a state tournament...we have too many "state" and "national' tournaments.  Just wrestle.  If you want to have a state tournament, then make the local tournaments a qualifier for the final one in December.
 
2.  January to IHSAA State Finals- Training for freestyle/Greco technique and rules interpretation.  Train your officials and pairings people.  No tourneys.  It's a proven fact that our kids wrestle too much and don't practice enough.  Ask any other country in the world and they will tell you we do the exact opposite of what they do.  We do not get the results other countries do...hmmm.
 
3.  February - March: Freestyle/Greco tournaments only.  
 
4.  April - Freestyle and Greco State
 
5.  Late April - ??: Training and more training for those kids that make the Fargo teams or any other types of teams.
 
I'm still thinking through some things but those are some rough toughts.  I'm telling you right now, kids will train freestyle if they want to get better.  Those that don't, will see a noticeable difference in their HS seasons and they will get on board.  If they don't, they will get passed by.  
 
Thoughts??

It's been said a couple of times already I think but if Freestyle is something the ISWA wants to get back to in Indiana, then the focus and push will need to change.  I think Freestyle is great.  Loved it back in the late 80's and early 90's...it helped develop me at a very fast rate.  But back then, that's all there was.  Part of the problem is they started changing the rules and just made it really stupid IMO.  I think it is back to being what it once was, but all the rule changes turned a lot of people off to it.
 
Having said that...here is my 2 cents to pushing Freestyle again:
 
1.  Folkstyle Season for PeeWee-Schoolboy's will be November and December.  Tournaments can start the beginning of November and end just before Christmas Break.  We don't need to have a state tournament...we have too many "state" and "national' tournaments.  Just wrestle.  If you want to have a state tournament, then make the local tournaments a qualifier for the final one in December.
 
2.  January to IHSAA State Finals- Training for freestyle/Greco technique and rules interpretation.  Train your officials and pairings people.  No tourneys.  It's a proven fact that our kids wrestle too much and don't practice enough.  Ask any other country in the world and they will tell you we do the exact opposite of what they do.  We do not get the results other countries do...hmmm.
 
3.  February - March: Freestyle/Greco tournaments only.  
 
4.  April - Freestyle and Greco State
 
5.  Late April - ??: Training and more training for those kids that make the Fargo teams or any other types of teams.
 
I'm still thinking through some things but those are some rough toughts.  I'm telling you right now, kids will train freestyle if they want to get better.  Those that don't, will see a noticeable difference in their HS seasons and they will get on board.  If they don't, they will get passed by.  
 
Thoughts??

It's been said a couple of times already I think but if Freestyle is something the ISWA wants to get back to in Indiana, then the focus and push will need to change.  I think Freestyle is great.  Loved it back in the late 80's and early 90's...it helped develop me at a very fast rate.  But back then, that's all there was.  Part of the problem is they started changing the rules and just made it really stupid IMO.  I think it is back to being what it once was, but all the rule changes turned a lot of people off to it.
 
Having said that...here is my 2 cents to pushing Freestyle again:
 
1.  Folkstyle Season for PeeWee-Schoolboy's will be November and December.  Tournaments can start the beginning of November and end just before Christmas Break.  We don't need to have a state tournament...we have too many "state" and "national' tournaments.  Just wrestle.  If you want to have a state tournament, then make the local tournaments a qualifier for the final one in December.
 
2.  January to IHSAA State Finals- Training for freestyle/Greco technique and rules interpretation.  Train your officials and pairings people.  No tourneys.  It's a proven fact that our kids wrestle too much and don't practice enough.  Ask any other country in the world and they will tell you we do the exact opposite of what they do.  We do not get the results other countries do...hmmm.
 
3.  February - March: Freestyle/Greco tournaments only.  
 
4.  April - Freestyle and Greco State
 
5.  Late April - ??: Training and more training for those kids that make the Fargo teams or any other types of teams.
 
I'm still thinking through some things but those are some rough toughts.  I'm telling you right now, kids will train freestyle if they want to get better.  Those that don't, will see a noticeable difference in their HS seasons and they will get on board.  If they don't, they will get passed by.  
 
Thoughts??

It's been said a couple of times already I think but if Freestyle is something the ISWA wants to get back to in Indiana, then the focus and push will need to change.  I think Freestyle is great.  Loved it back in the late 80's and early 90's...it helped develop me at a very fast rate.  But back then, that's all there was.  Part of the problem is they started changing the rules and just made it really stupid IMO.  I think it is back to being what it once was, but all the rule changes turned a lot of people off to it.
 
Having said that...here is my 2 cents to pushing Freestyle again:
 
1.  Folkstyle Season for PeeWee-Schoolboy's will be November and December.  Tournaments can start the beginning of November and end just before Christmas Break.  We don't need to have a state tournament...we have too many "state" and "national' tournaments.  Just wrestle.  If you want to have a state tournament, then make the local tournaments a qualifier for the final one in December.
 
2.  January to IHSAA State Finals- Training for freestyle/Greco technique and rules interpretation.  Train your officials and pairings people.  No tourneys.  It's a proven fact that our kids wrestle too much and don't practice enough.  Ask any other country in the world and they will tell you we do the exact opposite of what they do.  We do not get the results other countries do...hmmm.
 
3.  February - March: Freestyle/Greco tournaments only.  
 
4.  April - Freestyle and Greco State
 
5.  Late April - ??: Training and more training for those kids that make the Fargo teams or any other types of teams.
 
I'm still thinking through some things but those are some rough toughts.  I'm telling you right now, kids will train freestyle if they want to get better.  Those that don't, will see a noticeable difference in their HS seasons and they will get on board.  If they don't, they will get passed by.  
 
Thoughts??

It's been said a couple of times already I think but if Freestyle is something the ISWA wants to get back to in Indiana, then the focus and push will need to change.  I think Freestyle is great.  Loved it back in the late 80's and early 90's...it helped develop me at a very fast rate.  But back then, that's all there was.  Part of the problem is they started changing the rules and just made it really stupid IMO.  I think it is back to being what it once was, but all the rule changes turned a lot of people off to it.
 
Having said that...here is my 2 cents to pushing Freestyle again:
 
1.  Folkstyle Season for PeeWee-Schoolboy's will be November and December.  Tournaments can start the beginning of November and end just before Christmas Break.  We don't need to have a state tournament...we have too many "state" and "national' tournaments.  Just wrestle.  If you want to have a state tournament, then make the local tournaments a qualifier for the final one in December.
 
2.  January to IHSAA State Finals- Training for freestyle/Greco technique and rules interpretation.  Train your officials and pairings people.  No tourneys.  It's a proven fact that our kids wrestle too much and don't practice enough.  Ask any other country in the world and they will tell you we do the exact opposite of what they do.  We do not get the results other countries do...hmmm.
 
3.  February - March: Freestyle/Greco tournaments only.  
 
4.  April - Freestyle and Greco State
 
5.  Late April - ??: Training and more training for those kids that make the Fargo teams or any other types of teams.
 
I'm still thinking through some things but those are some rough toughts.  I'm telling you right now, kids will train freestyle if they want to get better.  Those that don't, will see a noticeable difference in their HS seasons and they will get on board.  If they don't, they will get passed by.  
 
Thoughts??

I love the idea of qualifiers.  For cadets and Juniors in high school any IHSAA semi-state qualifier gets automatic bid. 
 
For Schoolboy and Cadets still in middle school:  Any IHSWCA state place winner get automatic bid. 
 
For all others it should be a top two finish at any local ISWA folkstyle tournament. 
 
That is one idea: 
 
Other idea for if ISWA really wanted to make more money is have four-eight Semi-State qualifiers around the state and take the top 4 or 5 from each age group and weight.  Many more participants would be expected at four semi states that were closer to home for people.  Driving over weighing in spending night (multiple if your a cadet) gets expensive for someone who is on the bubble of placement skill wise.   Think how many more kids would participate if it were closer to home.
 
 
Just an idea. 

Biggest thing I noticed was the bottle neck that happened when the Cadets were brought in at 2 pm.  My son wrestled 1x in 6 hours because they were trying to finish up Juniors as well.  I don't think that is ideal.  
 
I don't know how this would work, I haven't looked at the numbers for each division that closely to know if this is feasible, but I wonder if the Pee-Wee, Bantam, and Intermediates could be run 8am-2pm on Saturday, Novice and Schoolboy 2pm-8pm on Saturday, then bring the big kids in on Sunday.  It seems sensible to me to have all of the little guys wrestling on Saturday, get them done and get them home or back to a hotel and out of the gym.
 
I thought the ISWA did a good job.  My one gripe was the response I got on Saturday after I asked if we could wrestle one more match so my son would have wrestled 2x in that 6 hour period. It wasn't the response, I actually thought it was a fair response, but the mat official and the lady "running" that gym were absolutely rude and had no reason to be.  Then of course, I was the bad guy...won't be the last time I'm sure.  All I ask of the ISWA and those representing it (they have a ton of great people) is remember why you do it and who you do it for.
 
Lastly, I think the ISWA should also put together a rankings system for officials.  Some very good ones yesterday...very good.  At the same time, let clubs rank the officials and if they don't meet a certain ranking, they can't officiate an ISWA State tournament.  Parents would not be allowed to rank, only those presidents or designated "head" coaches of the club or academy.  Just a thought!
 
Having said all that...the ISWA did a nice job and we'll be back next year.
 
Clint Gard

If we want to see some change, every coach needs to take the survey.  I thought it covered some hot topics that could make a big difference in our sport.
 
Playing the edge
Fleeing the mat
Calling stalling if wrestlers go out of bounds (similar to college)
Change of uniform
Forfeits worth more than falls...we FF 2 weights this year and I'm all for this.
 
Those were the big ones I remember...but I thought it was a good survey that hit on topics that wrestling needs to address!

Pretty proud of this kid!  Proof that you don't have to be the best to do special things!
 
http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/cwr-rocky-burkett-named-northern-state-head-coach/?id=178895&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

Pretty proud of this kid!  Proof that you don't have to be the best to do special things!
 
http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/cwr-rocky-burkett-named-northern-state-head-coach/?id=178895&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

Lol...still am. 2 day event. Started at 10am this morning. The team race is tight. Kids, coaches, and teams are fighting for everything. Great celebrations, disappointing heartbreak...the whole thing you'd expect from a great wrestling event. Guys I'm telling you right now, that Rocky Burkett and the Aberdeen Central Eagles don't give two craps that this is a classed event. They want to win their 2nd state title! Its a great venue. Very similar to bankers life...I'm enjoying life in a suite as I type this. Fans are great and into following their teams.

I went to 3 different high schools:SB LaSalle, SB Washington, Fort Wayne Snider. In those days all were elite programs. There was no way back then that small schools could compete with us. Too many students. Too many career wrestlers. Those who couldn't afford it got free offseason training. I lived in Iowa for 15 years. Indiana puts on a better show grant it. Iowa has a 3 class system and let me tell you: The kids from Alburnett, and Don Bosco,(2A)were just as happy as the kids from Iowa City West and Southeast Polk(3A). Parents and whole communities are invested in the smaller schools. They cheer louder and literally have cheerleaders at matside! Imagine Churubusco at Banker's life, cheerleaders and all! Imagine Twin Lakes or Benton Central with several qualifiers and those entire communities present! The money, the pageantry, the recognition for the little guy! I'm not just agreeing with Clint because we both went to "The Chet"; I like the show Indiana puts on. I like that it's difficult to be a state qualifier. I just don't think our current format is fair to the little schools.

I would like to put my two cents in....I was an assistant at a 3A school and now I am an assistant at a 2A school. When I was at the larger school I did not understand the problems smaller schools have.  Let me say I am still on the fence about the individual side of our tournament. Is it impossible to have a state placer in a smaller school, nope.  Is it inconceivable, to even beat bigger schools as a team once in awhile, nope.  But it sure is a lot more difficult to acquire the same amount of success.  If our kids want to go to an "open mat" or RTC at a large school they have to travel 30 min to find the closest one.  The next closest is 45 min- 60 min travel.  You know how far away it is for a these kids to go to a Club that might have a room full of state qualifier caliber kids?? If you cant grasp that there is a disadvantage for a small school in a small town for individuals, then you kidding yourself.  How can a a kid who has better practice partners, better facilities, more coaches, more money, more access to other clubs and schools not have an advantage? 

The point I was trying to make was why do you deserve it more than the Penn Varsity B (JV) Squad?  You made reference multiple times about why a small school doesn't deserve recognition over bigger schools based on their times.  You said you didn't understand it.  Penn probably was a bad example since they would be in a big class, but I could argue there are schools in 1A that deserve it more than Busco or another 1A school.  Why do you deserve it and they don't...just because you scored more points in the tourney?  So what...if you say the Culver Relay team or my daughters team didn't deserve it based on their scores, then you can't say you do based on some score.  
 
Listen, I agree Indiana puts on a very good state championship.  I was out in SD this week watching one of my former wrestlers take 2nd with his team.  Was our show better, yes.  Was our wrestling better, not always.  Their Class A took place in a different venue than the Class B.  Next year they are combining them.  Class A drew about 4,000 per day (remember they only have about 33 schools in Class A) and their Class B (small schools) drew about 6,000 per day.  The Class A was a good show and there was some good drama for the team title!  They even had cheerleaders!  Rocky and I talked a lot about the class side of things and he thinks we are nuts for not going to class.  There are numerous guys that I went to college with or that wrestled for me here in Indiana and they have all experienced class formats in other states.  They all say the same thing...wrestling should be classed in Indiana.  I would say 100% of them felt that we had the best format but when they went to other states with class, 100% changed their mind.
 
As I read through many of the comments, it just baffles me at how closed minded people can be when the data and examples are so glaring.  In reality, Sam, the argument you use could be used to show that the NCAA Div II and III programs should be done away with.  Their should be no NAIA.  Everyone should be in Division I because every kid has the same chance to become a Division I national champion.  It has nothing to do with resources, coaching, $$, etc.  
 
Clint

I don't usually get into many discussions on here, especially about class wrestling. I just feel like we are too divided and no matter how I express my point, I'm never going to convince those that believe "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I for one love our individual state finals and I really enjoyed our experience at team state this year. But...our individual finals is broken. When you have the disparity we have in SQ and place winners that we have, something is wrong.
 
I'll give you an example that is not wrestling related. My daughter qualified with her 200 relay team for the swim state finals this year. She's a fine swimmer and works her tail off, so did her teammates! They were seeded 32 and finished 29th. Rochester was the smallest school represented at state in ANY events! Twin Lakes was the second smallest. Everyone one else were 4A and 5A schools. If it was classed my daughter and her team would have been state champs in the 200 free relay. No other times from small schools were even close. They, our school, and her mom and I would have been just fine with that because they put in the work to be that good. The issue is we don't have the same resources that the Carmels, Penns, etc have. We just don't. That's not a matter of opinion...its a fact because I live it. We provide her with every opportunity we can but we can't provide her with what the Carmel Swim club can provide its' kids. If you think sports like wrestling and swimming shouldn't be classed, then you just dont get it or you don't care to.
 
Tomorrow Rochester will play Tippy Valley for the class 2A semi state bball title and I'll bet anyone we have more fans in attendance for the little ole 2A game then you will for any other game in the state. Over 5,000 tickets have been pre sold and they are not sure there will be enough parking at Warsaw HS (5A) school. Class all sports, give the small schools a chance to build their brand, and I think you'll see some great stuff happen in Indiana Wrestling. As an association we can get this done if we get on the same page!!

And I would argue that less kids in a program does put each individual at a disadvantage. I'm just using Penn because we are close to them and we see them at regional. But them having 75 kids in their roster is an advantage over Rochester with 22 kids. Yes, as a team and an individual. My Hwt who went to state had only the 220 and 195 to practice with. While I'm sure at Penn, their HWT had numerous partners...it makes a difference. You can't use the argument that the team is at a disadvantage and then say it doesn't affect the individual.
 
And their varsity B team would probably win the class A title so my point stands. Why do you deserve it more than they do?

Sam,
 
Then why do you deserve recognition for going to team state? Why should you get to go...why not take Penn's Varsity B Team? Why do deserve it more than them?
 
Clint

Sam,
 
Then why do you deserve recognition for going to team state? Why should you get to go...why not take Penn's Varsity B Team? Why do deserve it more than them?
 
Clint

I don't usually get into many discussions on here, especially about class wrestling. I just feel like we are too divided and no matter how I express my point, I'm never going to convince those that believe "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I for one love our individual state finals and I really enjoyed our experience at team state this year. But...our individual finals is broken. When you have the disparity we have in SQ and place winners that we have, something is wrong.
 
I'll give you an example that is not wrestling related. My daughter qualified with her 200 relay team for the swim state finals this year. She's a fine swimmer and works her tail off, so did her teammates! They were seeded 32 and finished 29th. Rochester was the smallest school represented at state in ANY events! Twin Lakes was the second smallest. Everyone one else were 4A and 5A schools. If it was classed my daughter and her team would have been state champs in the 200 free relay. No other times from small schools were even close. They, our school, and her mom and I would have been just fine with that because they put in the work to be that good. The issue is we don't have the same resources that the Carmels, Penns, etc have. We just don't. That's not a matter of opinion...its a fact because I live it. We provide her with every opportunity we can but we can't provide her with what the Carmel Swim club can provide its' kids. If you think sports like wrestling and swimming shouldn't be classed, then you just dont get it or you don't care to.
 
Tomorrow Rochester will play Tippy Valley for the class 2A semi state bball title and I'll bet anyone we have more fans in attendance for the little ole 2A game then you will for any other game in the state. Over 5,000 tickets have been pre sold and they are not sure there will be enough parking at Warsaw HS (5A) school. Class all sports, give the small schools a chance to build their brand, and I think you'll see some great stuff happen in Indiana Wrestling. As an association we can get this done if we get on the same page!!

I don't usually get into many discussions on here, especially about class wrestling. I just feel like we are too divided and no matter how I express my point, I'm never going to convince those that believe "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I for one love our individual state finals and I really enjoyed our experience at team state this year. But...our individual finals is broken. When you have the disparity we have in SQ and place winners that we have, something is wrong.
 
I'll give you an example that is not wrestling related. My daughter qualified with her 200 relay team for the swim state finals this year. She's a fine swimmer and works her tail off, so did her teammates! They were seeded 32 and finished 29th. Rochester was the smallest school represented at state in ANY events! Twin Lakes was the second smallest. Everyone one else were 4A and 5A schools. If it was classed my daughter and her team would have been state champs in the 200 free relay. No other times from small schools were even close. They, our school, and her mom and I would have been just fine with that because they put in the work to be that good. The issue is we don't have the same resources that the Carmels, Penns, etc have. We just don't. That's not a matter of opinion...its a fact because I live it. We provide her with every opportunity we can but we can't provide her with what the Carmel Swim club can provide its' kids. If you think sports like wrestling and swimming shouldn't be classed, then you just dont get it or you don't care to.
 
Tomorrow Rochester will play Tippy Valley for the class 2A semi state bball title and I'll bet anyone we have more fans in attendance for the little ole 2A game then you will for any other game in the state. Over 5,000 tickets have been pre sold and they are not sure there will be enough parking at Warsaw HS (5A) school. Class all sports, give the small schools a chance to build their brand, and I think you'll see some great stuff happen in Indiana Wrestling. As an association we can get this done if we get on the same page!!

Lol...still am. 2 day event. Started at 10am this morning. The team race is tight. Kids, coaches, and teams are fighting for everything. Great celebrations, disappointing heartbreak...the whole thing you'd expect from a great wrestling event. Guys I'm telling you right now, that Rocky Burkett and the Aberdeen Central Eagles don't give two craps that this is a classed event. They want to win their 2nd state title! Its a great venue. Very similar to bankers life...I'm enjoying life in a suite as I type this. Fans are great and into following their teams.

Lol...still am. 2 day event. Started at 10am this morning. The team race is tight. Kids, coaches, and teams are fighting for everything. Great celebrations, disappointing heartbreak...the whole thing you'd expect from a great wrestling event. Guys I'm telling you right now, that Rocky Burkett and the Aberdeen Central Eagles don't give two craps that this is a classed event. They want to win their 2nd state title! Its a great venue. Very similar to bankers life...I'm enjoying life in a suite as I type this. Fans are great and into following their teams.

I don't usually get into many discussions on here, especially about class wrestling. I just feel like we are too divided and no matter how I express my point, I'm never going to convince those that believe "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I for one love our individual state finals and I really enjoyed our experience at team state this year. But...our individual finals is broken. When you have the disparity we have in SQ and place winners that we have, something is wrong.
 
I'll give you an example that is not wrestling related. My daughter qualified with her 200 relay team for the swim state finals this year. She's a fine swimmer and works her tail off, so did her teammates! They were seeded 32 and finished 29th. Rochester was the smallest school represented at state in ANY events! Twin Lakes was the second smallest. Everyone one else were 4A and 5A schools. If it was classed my daughter and her team would have been state champs in the 200 free relay. No other times from small schools were even close. They, our school, and her mom and I would have been just fine with that because they put in the work to be that good. The issue is we don't have the same resources that the Carmels, Penns, etc have. We just don't. That's not a matter of opinion...its a fact because I live it. We provide her with every opportunity we can but we can't provide her with what the Carmel Swim club can provide its' kids. If you think sports like wrestling and swimming shouldn't be classed, then you just dont get it or you don't care to.
 
Tomorrow Rochester will play Tippy Valley for the class 2A semi state bball title and I'll bet anyone we have more fans in attendance for the little ole 2A game then you will for any other game in the state. Over 5,000 tickets have been pre sold and they are not sure there will be enough parking at Warsaw HS (5A) school. Class all sports, give the small schools a chance to build their brand, and I think you'll see some great stuff happen in Indiana Wrestling. As an association we can get this done if we get on the same page!!