HornetSloan

8 hours ago, Caleb Spires said:

Mason Parris had 13 pins in 13 matches his senior postseason, and spent a grand total of 21:02 on the mat from sectionals-state with nobody making the third period.

SHEEEEEEEESH

Shame is a weapon. There is no way to stop the finding and utilizing of loopholes and gray areas. The only thing that can inhibit such actions is inner pride and/or shame. 

Just came on here to say that I only missed one pick on this bracket, even through consis. Picked Linser over Sessa in match 206. Yes, I am a genius, thank you. 

Done and done

On 2/17/2024 at 4:04 PM, CainBones said:

One fan was absolutely beside himself with the injury timeout taken by McConnell, I heard him across the Ford Center!

That guy was a maniac, I tell ya!

But seriously best kid ever, we appreciate all the kind words! 

If Noah’s disposition matched my own, I’d have been MUCH more intolerable on this site, but let me say it again… IF YA DON’T KNOW, NOW YA KNOWWWWW

13 hours ago, CCWPhwt said:

He is going to be unknown by most here but Coach Tillman. The man is the picture of a professional individual that truly cares about his wrestlers, the community, and well everyone. He was never my coach. The complete opposite actually. I have coached against this man many times. It does not matter if you are one of his wrestlers, a local community wrestler, or a wrestler from the other side of the country he would treat you as if you were on his team and he had known you his entire coaching career. He is also a veteran of the United States Marines. I can think of only a few people that I hold in the same regard as this man. I learned from him even as a Coach. His compassion, empathy, and wisdom are second to none. I am blessed to say he is my friend, brother in arms, and a valued member of the community that I love calling home.

Came here to say exactly this. A pillar of Clinton County wrestling!

16 minutes ago, bluemonster said:

I don't think anyone is sleeping on the Weaver boys. They are ranked high in state and NCSS

I was kinda making a joke..

Something tells me that each coach and parent believes their wrestlers are being slept on and will therefore make some noise. Just a hunch. 

Unrelated note, I believe that all 3 Rossville wrestlers are being slept on and will make some noise! 

Best time of year. It's like we get 4 Christmas Eve's! 

1 hour ago, Y2CJ41 said:

You’re good at this 

2 hours ago, BrodyHardcastle said:

Weaver over Penola. @HornetSloan has been telling everyone.

Possible state championship preview. Two hammers!! 

14 minutes ago, Galagore said:

It's just a yes/no question. The logic of the thread seems to have a natural progression toward the class wrestling argument, which has been pointed out by more than one poster. Are you in favor of classing the individual tournament?

 

And since this seems to be more along the lines of what you wish to discuss, then maybe this is a question you are more comfortable answering:

Do you feel there is a failure in logic based on geography, school size or both?

Well looks to me like they were trying to grab at least one BIG school when they were building that sectional. They kinda had to skip past Lebanon, reach out and scoop up Zionsville. I can see the challenge they were facing for sure. Brownsburg would actually make more sense to pull into that sectional than Carmel if they were hankering for another big school there in that sectional. Again, it doesn't necessarily bother me. I can just see the original reason the question was asked. 

As for class wrestling, I believe I have come to the personal conclusion that more postseason success for more kids equals more kids leave wrestling with a good taste in their mouths and a positive view of their experience. Which they then pass on to their progeny and whatnot. As a tiny 1A wrestler, I will always take pride in my relatively meager accomplishments, my sectional championship wins meant more to me knowing I was up against the big dogs. I know I would have most likely been a placer in class wrestling, but it doesn't necessarily hurt me or make me feel less happy about my career. But I am also obsessed with the sport and frankly, kids are different nowadays. I know for sure we would have better retention if these kids saw more tangible success, however "empty" that success may seem. 

4 hours ago, Galagore said:

 

Are you in favor of just classing the whole indivual tournament?

I think they are just saying, "Hey this is weird. Why'd they do that?"  Not everything has to be some grand argument. Some people (self included) just notice failures in logic and it bothers them. Just have a rhyme or reason is all we ask!

Quick Breakdown of the wrestlers making it out of the North Mont regional. Of the 29% of the Crawfordsville sectional, Zionsville makes up nearly half. Seems to me that if these two sectionals ere more "evenly" distributed with big and small schools, the final results going to semistate would be about the same. Some combination of Fishers, Carmel, HSE, Westfield, and Zionsville with some small school studs mixed in.  The effect would be maybe seeding of the Zionsville wrestlers since they would have stronger competition at sectionals, and maybe a few more Rossville or Prairie kids make it to regionals and a few less Parke Heritage kids. Big picture, it is really a wash. Though we pride ourselves in being in one of the tougher sectionals and competing hard with these big schools, and we tell ourselves the same line, "Ya gotta beat them eventually," sectional weekend would definitely be less soul sucking and demoralizing if we got even one or two more out each year. Of course, that would be at the expense of 1a schools in the Crawfordsville sectional, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make... 

1 hour ago, Y2CJ41 said:

69 wrestlers start the state series without a blemish on their record.

 

106    Jensen Boyd- Delta    26-0
106    Brady Byrd- Washington    37-0
106    Heather Crull- Northeastern    41-0
106    Gabriela Flores-Bonilla- Southport    1-0
106    Mason Jones- Lake Central    26-0
106    Rex Moore- Manchester    26-0
106    Jacki Shackleford- Fort Wayne North Side    10-0
113    Matthew Baylor- Milan    38-0
113    Ayden Bollinger- Delta    28-0
113    Levi Johns- Bluffton    33-0
113    Jalen Sawyer-May- Kokomo    4-0
120    Isaac Ash- Monrovia    27-0
120    Ty Henderson- Evansville Mater Dei    24-0
120    Elliott Leonard- Carmel    1-0
120    Adrian Origel- North Newton    30-0
126    Eli Hedges- Heritage Hills    11-0
126    Layne Horn- Rochester    35-0
126    Neal Mosier- Delta    26-0
126    Aden Rangel- North Vermillion    29-0
126    Peyton Richards- Switzerland County    36-0
132    Jackson Bradley- Cowan    19-0
132    Hayden DeMarco- Chesterton    35-0
132    Akira Jones- Muncie Central    1-0
132    Tylin Thrine- New Castle    24-0
132    Wyatt Walters- North Vermillion    30-0
138    Quinton Buckmaster- Lowell    4-0
138    Drake Fritz- West Central    30-0
138    Luke Reid- Valparaiso    18-0
138    Gavyn Whitehead- New Castle    24-0
138    Tony Wood- Jay County    34-0
144    Andrew Botner- North Vermillion    30-0
144    Brevin Cannon- Pike    10-0
144    Easton Doster- New Haven    25-0
144    Jeffrey Huyvaert- New Prairie    36-0
144    Jack Todd- Pendleton Heights    23-0
144    Branson Weaver- Owen Valley    32-0
150    Christopher Bohn- Munster    35-0
150    Hunter May- Floyd Central    13-0
150    Boden Rice- Attica    24-0
150    Jacob Weaver- Rossville    32-0
157    Beau Brabender- Mishawaka    33-0
157    Theron Carrington- Culver Community    1-0
157    Gavin Davis- Bellmont    19-0
157    Silas Foster- Purdue Polytechnic    31-0
165    Brant Beck- Rochester    34-0
165    Damien Dance- Batesville    34-0
165    Braeden Hites- Crawfordsville    27-0
165    Isaac Sinks- Harrison (WL)    34-0
165    Kaeb Stebbins- Delta    28-0
165    RJ Trevino- Oak Hill    27-0
175    Aidan Costello- Hobart    31-0
175    Isaiah Frost- Delphi    4-0
175    Kyle Harden- Indianapolis Cathedral    3-0
175    Sam Howard- Boonville    45-0
175    MJ Morton- Roncalli    8-0
175    Ethan Popp- Harrison (WL)    26-0
175    Nick Redenbaugh- Beech Grove    1-0
190    Landen Baker- North Vermillion    19-0
190    Eli Coolman- Leo    26-0
190    Luke Penola- Zionsville    24-0
190    Brian Starkey- Mooresville    1-0
190    Noah Weaver- Rossville    36-0
215    Cole Chicoine- McCutcheon    29-0
215    Alex Deming- Rochester    35-0
215    Julante Hinton- Fort Wayne Northrop    27-0
215    Wyatt Woodall- Southmont    21-0
285    Brady Beck- Rochester    34-0
285    Juan Cruz- Bluffton    18-0
285    Aramis McNutt- Highland    17-0
 

Nice

Brb, gonna create a burner and start selling brackets...

17 hours ago, Fabio Jr. said:

I hear Fabio Jr. might have a girlfriend.....these are unconfirmed rumors....

Please oh please let there be someone else on this forum that has watched I Think You Should Leave....

16 hours ago, Stew said:

106 Boyd

113 Riox

120 Henderson

126 Hawkins

132 Hockaday 

138 Wood

144 huevyart 

150 Krejsa

157 brabender

165 Stebbins

175 brenton russell

190 Weaver

215 Chicoine

285 Clark

IYKYK

59 minutes ago, AJ said:

At our conference meet I coached in multiple matches where the opposing wrestling called for injury.  Then got up, walked over to his coach and drank some water, talked for about 30 seconds and then walked back to the circle and said he was ready!  No inhaler, no trainer, no blood, no rubbing a shoulder or any body part.

 

Didn't even bother to bust out the can of cold spray?? Brazen!!

6 minutes ago, igotcaught said:

History generally shows that when a freshman goes against the #1 senior during the regular season, the freshman makes better adjustments than the senior at state. 
 

Mendez vs Watts was close at Al Smith then Mendez majors Watts in Semis.

 

Jason Tsirtsis loses a close match to Cashe Quirogo at the traicoff and got revenge in the Semis at state. 
 

Joe Lee loses 8-2 to Brandon James at team state and then pins him in the semis. 
 

However last year Huyvert beat solomey at regionals and then solomey goes on to win state.

 

I think Freshman generally have more room to grow in a short time period compared to a senior. That being said Shepherd might have to take out Ison and Kyrel in the same day to win a state title. I think 138 has 3 serious title contenders: Ison, Kyrel and Shepherd. Whoever is on the other side of the bracket is gonna walk to the finals in my opinion.

Very good points! I suppose time will tell if Clinton is on THAT level. And you're dead on about the bracket, 

Just rewatched his match with Leavell. Impressive wrestler, my first time watching him! That being said, that seemed like one of those matches that a wrestler will just get caught up in a specific position and before you know it,the match is over. I felt Kyrel controlled a lot of the match and got away from attacking the legs. Unbiased opinion is that they missed a stall call against Clinton on the edge. Honestly my money is on Kyrel in a rematch, and it will be worth the price of admission and then some!