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  1. Westforkwhite
    I was the one that posted stats about MS state championships being followed immediately by state qualification. The last couple years, the majority of 8th grade champs in that 90 to 130 range were at high school state as freshmen. Thanks Maligned.
  2. Westforkwhite
    Someone has posted data related to this topic before (sorry, can't recall who) The gist of it was success in the ISWCA MS tourney from the weights of 90-130 lbs translated well to success at the HS level. As far as champs at those weights, there is a good track record for these kids being immediate impacts on their HS program (not all, but the vast majority)
  3. Westforkwhite
    How many does the Peru regional send to state? Six made it through last year, can this year be better?
  4. Westforkwhite
    Most of the varsity B teams I see are varsity level kids at the vast majority of high schools in the state. Remember we are talking about 2nd stringers from programs like Warren, Penn & Perry, and those kids are better than the kids with inflated records the thread began with. So I disagree this has had any net affect on inflated records. Having multiple " varsity" teams one of the best recent developments in IN HS wrestling. it allows more kids to participate in meaningful competition. Many of these kids are as deserving or more so (in respect to time and effort invested in the sport of wrestling) than the "true" varsity on he may be competing against. Not cracking the varsity lineup after years of countless hours devoted to the sport causes kids to quit. Who wants to go to a JV meet when you can beat 3/4 of the varsity wrestlers in the state(many of these varsity B guys can)
  5. Westforkwhite
    Thank you very much for sharing your story about a man who shared so much with the wrestling community.
  6. Westforkwhite
    I guess the major doesn't believe in spell check.
  7. Westforkwhite
    Congrats, and I hope they both bring home titles.
  8. Westforkwhite
    The data Y2 has presented suggests that small schools would be helped (not a huge difference, but I think other posters have highlighted some of the added benefits). However this represents about a third of the total student population, yet it seems to have a negative impact on the schools represented in the 2/3s majority. (can't read the implication of benefits in the #s without reading suggested detraction). All this suggests a negative impact total number of forfeits statewide. It seems unlikely the IHSAA is going to act within the next few years even if there was consensus on the class issue. I think most agree that the class duals have been a good thing, and that had nothing to do with IHSAA. When they took away the state duals the coaches association stepped up and put together a great event. Given its only the small schools that are at a disadvantage (I believe as a team and individual) in the one class environment. Why not create a small school state individual tourney? Run it in the weeks immediately following state as a 2 stage event with 4 regional sites at schools who would want to host finishing in an arena (Indy preferred). You could invite all teams in 1A & 2A and just use the 2 classes as is or even divide into 3 to accommodate the gaps at the high and low end. I know that entails a lot of work and funds, but I wanted to throw it out there.
  9. Westforkwhite
    It has helped, and 2000+ fans at the event proves that. You don't get the great Prarie Heights story without a class event. There's no way they get invited to the top 12 in a single class event. You don't think a couple kids in elementary or middle school at PH will give wrestling a shot when the HS is state champs and they can see the excitement it has generated at school? Great event and I'm thankful to the folks that worked hard to put it on.
  10. Westforkwhite
    Thanks for the info. I wonder if the isolated nature of those small schools helps or hurts participation in all sports generally speaking? You'd think there wouldn't be a whole lot else to do, and that the draw might be more significant than say a small school within an hour drive of Indy/Chicago/Ft Wayne.
  11. Westforkwhite
    I'm not sure either are good comparisons. You fail to factor that Kansas by having 6 classes creates twice the opportunity for small school kids than a 3 class system would here in IN. Yet it's failed to have even a 1 forfeit per team difference, which doesn't suggest it would have a major impact on small schools here. Ohio is a different animal when it comes to wrestling, with tradition much more rooted. So you wouldn't expect our participation rates to be higher. I will concede the gap is a little wider than I expected, and it's possible early classing had some impact on building that tradition. (but I believe wrestling was pretty big there pre-class)
  12. Westforkwhite
    Looks like the topic is being discussed in OH. http://thecourier.com/opinion/columns/2016/01/26/column-trying-to-stem-the-decline/ The lack of participation is troubling, and it seems to be affecting several other sports. And Y2 as much as I'm in the class camp the numbers in other states don't reflect that classing would remedy the participation rates, particularly as it relates to small schools. Dropping the singlet for fight shorts and compression shorts would have the largest immediate impact. It won't turn things around but it is likely to increase participation noticably. Reason being it helps add to the natural tie in with the MMA. Like it or not MMA has become revelavant in pop culture to a degree wrestling never has been. The kids see big name guys on TV fighting in the same gear they'll be wearing, that will have some impact on 10-15 year old kids. Nuway and Flo have done some of this and at first I was a little apprehensive (change is hard) but if it gets one more kid to come out per team (don't think thats entirely unreasonable) who could be against it?
  13. Westforkwhite
    145 at Delta is likely to be top 4 at regional.
  14. Westforkwhite
    I'd put my money on Coffman, but it should be hotly contested.
  15. Westforkwhite
    You left out Kerrn (Jimtown), should be slotted 3rd at 145 Looks like you were sandbagging with some of your kids. You could easily have a couple Carrol wrestlers ranked higher.
  16. Westforkwhite
    Thanks for the entertaing and informative preview. An absolute joy to read!
  17. Westforkwhite
    138 Rutter (Yorktown) by fall over Reece (Franklin Comm). 2nd period (didn't get the time)
  18. Westforkwhite
    Carry on (I should have sensed some sarcasm)
  19. Westforkwhite
    Clearly as a coach/parent he saw the advantage of sending his son to a 3A school in Indy as opposed to a small rural school. Who would blame him? Cathedral is one of the top programs in the state, and it gives his son the better opportunity for growth and development. It would be hard to argue that any 2A or smaller school would ever have the resources or pick of athletes that Cathedral would have. Yes, individuals from small schools can reach the top of the podium, but as a team the advantages are far in the favor of the large programs. I'd advocate doing classed team scoring at individual state. We'd still have the "true" state champ that the one class guys can't live without (I see value there too) and we can recognize the team achievements of smaller programs. It's not class wrestling, but maybe a step in the right direction.
  20. Westforkwhite
    Not sure how that's an upset, let alone a "huge" one. Sounds more like a mis-seed to me.
  21. Westforkwhite
    I bet they make weight easier than their old man.
  22. Westforkwhite
    One of my points of contention with the refs on leg riding, is the lack of calls when the top man throws in legs once the top man has reached his feet. This is not an attempt to return the man to the mat, but rather an attempt to draw a potentially dangerous call. Yet refs will allow kids to do this 3 and 4 times without making a call. It's my opinion that each time a wrestler puts legs in when the bottom man has reached his feet it should be called stalling.
  23. Westforkwhite
    McCormick (Y) md. H Bates (AC) 14-5 McCormick (Y) d A Bethel (MV) 4-1 C Hunt (Y) md A Mosser (AC) 12-4
  24. Westforkwhite
    Yorktown
  25. Westforkwhite
    If it was just a 300 mile travel restriction, it would be a great rule. In fact I'd prefer if they cut it down to 200 or 250 miles. The problem I have is with the restriction on teams that may travel in to the event. If your team's travel is confined to less than 300 miles, why should it matter where a respective team should travel in from to wrestle you there? If some team wants to travel from California to Ohio why should that be a concern of the IHSAA? I’m by no means advocating more travel during school year, but if there is a major national tourney in Indiana’s back yard (Ironman) why shouldn’t a Penn or Mater Dei be able to test their metal with the best?
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