WingT Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) Edited February 19, 2018 by WingT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, WingT said: Opposite of scorers table view before roll through. Peru coaches asking for back points. Peru coach should look at making some big money as a salesman, because he would be good at it. A picture says a thousand words. Edited February 19, 2018 by Wrestling Scholar Cosgrove 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just now, Wrestling Scholar said: Peru coach should look at making some big money as a salesman, because he would be good at it. A picture says a thousand words. I hear the can sell ice to Eskimos indianmorg, Wrestling Scholar and BrianLefeve 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 36 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said: Peru coach should look at making some big money as a salesman, because he would be good at it. A picture says a thousand words. I disagree here - when Fattore started the tilt/spladle it did appear (as you can see in the photo) that Rader was able to post his arms and basically put Fattore in danger rather than himself. I could see why the Peru coaches would want the ref to look for back points and possible loss of control. However, when Fattore rolled back through to his left shoulder he did put Rader back in danger/nearfall position. The ref for whatever reason decided to call the fall immediately when Fattore rolled back through. I am not questioning the refereeing abilities. YOU CAN STILL BE A GOOD OFFICIAL AND MAKE A BAD CALL That is what happened here, in my opinion. Won't change anything. Doesn't mean that every other official has to stick up for the guy. It's happened before and it will happen again. It's unfortunate but Fattore handled it incredibly well and that speaks volumes to the young man's character. He's accepted to University of Chicago probably a top 10 US college. Congratulations to him on a fantastic season and I am happy that the other competitor (Peru's Rader) seemed to realize the situation and talk with Fattore about it - that was also a class act. Kookie953 and Wrestling Scholar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grappleapple Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 If I remember correctly there was a point in the state championship match years ago between Jason Tsirtsis and Connor Mullins where it looked like Tsirtsis shoulders were flat for much longer than Fattore's - in a defensive pin situation. I am getting old though and my memory may be off. Anyone remember this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIACfan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, base said: YOU CAN STILL BE A GOOD OFFICIAL AND MAKE A BAD CALL This is probably the best post in this entire thread. This was a bad call, but everything else I saw from this official tells me his is a good official. I don't know if this particular official does any college officiating, but that was a college call - a fall is awarded the instant both shoulders &/or scapulas are on the mat simultaneously. Not sure where the opposite angle photo came from, but it clearly shows that Fattore's left shoulder/scapula is not on the mat. After watching/rewinding/pausing the video several times you can see that at the moment the official is in the position shown in the opposite angle photo the clock reads 1:25 of the 3rd period. It then reads 1:24 when the official slaps the mat & 1:23 when the time keeper stops the clock. By the time the official slaps the mat, Fattore's right shoulder is now off the mat - thus the roll through was completed in 1 second at most (less IMO). The HS rule book reads that for a fall to be awarded, both shoulders &/or scapulas must be on the mat for 2 seconds. The 2 second count does not start until the official is in position to see both shoulders/scapulas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoberlin Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, SIACfan said: This is probably the best post in this entire thread. This was a bad call, but everything else I saw from this official tells me his is a good official. I don't know if this particular official does any college officiating, but that was a college call - a fall is awarded the instant both shoulders &/or scapulas are on the mat simultaneously. Not sure where the opposite angle photo came from, but it clearly shows that Fattore's left shoulder/scapula is not on the mat. After watching/rewinding/pausing the video several times you can see that at the moment the official is in the position shown in the opposite angle photo the clock reads 1:25 of the 3rd period. It then reads 1:24 when the official slaps the mat & 1:23 when the time keeper stops the clock. By the time the official slaps the mat, Fattore's right shoulder is now off the mat - thus the roll through was completed in 1 second at most (less IMO). The HS rule book reads that for a fall to be awarded, both shoulders &/or scapulas must be on the mat for 2 seconds. The 2 second count does not start until the official is in position to see both shoulders/scapulas. He is a good official and was a heck of a wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts