chambers Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I would agree that officials cannot keep track of where everyone weighed in at, but the official in this scenario was called by the head coach to the scorer's table and made aware of the wrestler dropping down to the lower weight class than what he weighed in at. The official said it was OK because his actual weight was within the range to qualify at the lower weight. I am not sure why he interpreted the rules that way when in reality he should have been made to wrestle at the weight he weighed in at. Did both teams coaches agree that the wrestler weighed in at the higher weight or did that wrestlers coach claim that he weighted in at the lower weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger.dad Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Did both teams coaches agree that the wrestler weighed in at the higher weight or did that wrestlers coach claim that he weighted in at the lower weight? they agreed that he weighed in for the higher weight class, yet his weight was such that he could wrestle the lower weight class, had he weighed in for that weight class, if that was legal which we all know now it's not..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambers Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 So between the two different schools coaches and the official nobody actually pulled out the rulebook and looked up the rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger.dad Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 So between the two different schools coaches and the official nobody actually pulled out the rulebook and looked up the rule? as i recall, the book was out but wasn't clear? enough to satisfy the coach so mr. cox was called....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern mole Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I had this scenerio come up last night but made sure the coach was aware of it at weigh-ins. The kid step on the scale for 182 and he weighed 172.0, I told the coach that he could only wrestle 182 tonight. The coach said thanks for telling me this. As an official, you might not beable to police it at the scores table when they check in, but you can do it at weigh-ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambers Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 as i recall, the book was out but wasn't clear? enough to satisfy the coach so mr. cox was called....... The rule seems very clear to me in the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Spires Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I had this scenerio come up last night but made sure the coach was aware of it at weigh-ins. The kid step on the scale for 182 and he weighed 172.0, I told the coach that he could only wrestle 182 tonight. The coach said thanks for telling me this. As an official, you might not beable to police it at the scores table when they check in, but you can do it at weigh-ins. Why could he only wrestle 182 if he made 170 given the 2 pound allowance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Why could he only wrestle 182 if he made 170 given the 2 pound allowance? Weigh-ins for the 170 class were done and he weighed in for the 182 class... no going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHtsWrestler Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Weigh-ins for the 170 class were done and he weighed in for the 182 class... no going back. I guess the thing that amazes me is that there is so much confusion over Rule 4, Section 5, Art. 3 which says "When all wrestlers for a weight class have had an opportunity to weigh in and the next class is called, that weight class is closed." Maybe it would be helpful to have an explanation of this rule in the NFHS Case Book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 MadHts: You're exactly right. It's a simple rule. It was explained in clear detail by the NFHS when it came out and has been applied correctly in the situations I've seen. 106 is open. Kids weigh in. 106 is closed. 113 is open. Kids weigh in. 113 is closed. 120 is open....etc. These scenarios being presented make no sense to me. The rule is cut and dried. The only part we should have to use our brains on is making sure a kid weighs enough to wrestle the class he weighs in for or attempts to wrestle. There's no going lower, though. Closed is closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger.dad Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 MadHts: You're exactly right. It's a simple rule. It was explained in clear detail by the NFHS when it came out and has been applied correctly in the situations I've seen. 106 is open. Kids weigh in. 106 is closed. 113 is open. Kids weigh in. 113 is closed. 120 is open....etc. These scenarios being presented make no sense to me. The rule is cut and dried. The only part we should have to use our brains on is making sure a kid weighs enough to wrestle the class he weighs in for or attempts to wrestle. There's no going lower, though. Closed is closed. so.....they way i interpret what you're saying is when a team weighs in at a dual, you send a kid to weigh in at lets say 145.....he weighs in and at that point, he can only wrestle 145?.....can't drop down and can't go up?.....can you weigh in more than one kid at a given weight at a dual?....i see coaches making changes all the time so there has to be some exception to the rule if that is the case..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICfan Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 so.....they way i interpret what you're saying is when a team weighs in at a dual, you send a kid to weigh in at lets say 145.....he weighs in and at that point, he can only wrestle 145?.....can't drop down and can't go up?.....can you weigh in more than one kid at a given weight at a dual?....i see coaches making changes all the time so there has to be some exception to the rule if that is the case..... no, you cant drop down, but you can move up one weight. So even if he might of weighed 138, since he weighed in at the 145 lb spot, he would be stuck at 145. In that situation he would not be able to wrestle up because that would be two weightclasses higher then he weighs tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 so.....they way i interpret what you're saying is when a team weighs in at a dual, you send a kid to weigh in at lets say 145.....he weighs in and at that point, he can only wrestle 145?.....can't drop down and can't go up?.....can you weigh in more than one kid at a given weight at a dual?....i see coaches making changes all the time so there has to be some exception to the rule if that is the case..... As NICfan said, you cannot go LOWER than the weight you weigh in for. If your actual body weight is one weight class lower--too bad--you are only eligible at the weight class you weighed in. You can't go down because you missed weighing in for that weight, and you can't go higher because you don't weigh enough. Again, example: A coach tells his kid to weigh in at 145. He steps on the scale with the 145-pound kids and weighs 136. He can now only wrestle 145 because he missed his chance to weigh in at 138 and because he doesn't weigh enough, by rule, to wrestle 152. As always, though, if your actual weight is in the normal 145-pound range, and you weigh in with the 145's; you are eligible for both 145 and 152. In my opinion, it makes zero sense to weigh a kid in at a higher class than his actual weight. You can still have the kid introduced at the higher weight during announcements and use whatever gamesmanship in moving kids around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHtsWrestler Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 so.....they way i interpret what you're saying is when a team weighs in at a dual, you send a kid to weigh in at lets say 145.....he weighs in and at that point, he can only wrestle 145?.....can't drop down and can't go up?.....can you weigh in more than one kid at a given weight at a dual?....i see coaches making changes all the time so there has to be some exception to the rule if that is the case..... No, you can go up one weight class above your actual "scratch weight", which means if you weigh in at 145 you can wrestle 145 and wrestle up at the 152 weight class. So in my estimation it doesn't make sense to weigh in one weight class above your actual "scratch weight". Doing so locks you into only one weight class, because you can't drop back down after the weight class is "closed" at the official weigh-in. YES, you can weigh-in several wrestlers at one weight class. If you have three wrestlers at all 14 weight classes you can weigh them all in and they are all eligible to wrestle at that weight class. Coaches can move wrestlers at super duals as long as they don't drop them below their "weigh-in" class, or only move them up one weight class above their "scratch weight". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Just for clarification, if you weigh you kid in for the 138 class and he misses weight, is he only eligible to wrestle 145, or is he eligible to wrestle 152, also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger.dad Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 No, you can go up one weight class above your actual "scratch weight", which means if you weigh in at 145 you can wrestle 145 and wrestle up at the 152 weight class. So in my estimation it doesn't make sense to weigh in one weight class above your actual "scratch weight". Doing so locks you into only one weight class, because you can't drop back down after the weight class is "closed" at the official weigh-in. YES, you can weigh-in several wrestlers at one weight class. If you have three wrestlers at all 14 weight classes you can weigh them all in and they are all eligible to wrestle at that weight class. Coaches can move wrestlers at super duals as long as they don't drop them below their "weigh-in" class, or only move them up one weight class above their "scratch weight". thanks for the very complete explanation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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