KarlHungus Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 they probably could of, but its penns varsity 2. They have that team wrestle varsity tournaments anyway, so why not have them wrestle at their own tournameny Should be called JV #1. Varsity are the first 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maolsen Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Should be called JV #1. Varsity are the first 14. i agree but it has been called penns varsity 2 on here for the fact that they wrestle varsity tournaments, so thats why i called it that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 What would you call it if the two Penn teams wrestled eachother? Exhibition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maolsen Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Id rather watch that then a lot of the sba meets ive seen lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosstownrivals Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 According to the IHSAA if you have wrestled Penns JV Team at A varsity tournament those wins and losses do not count towards your Varsity record. But I watched them on Saturday and they proved themself that Penns JV team can compete with a lot of Indianas Varsity teams. Penn also sent a 3rd team to the Westview Invite and took 2nd with all other Varsity teams. Coach Harper and staff have something great going on and can not wait to see them in action at Mishawka Invite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Id rather watch that then a lot of the sba meets ive seen lately SBA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 According to the IHSAA if you have wrestled Penns JV Team at A varsity tournament those wins and losses do not count towards your Varsity record. But I watched them on Saturday and they proved themself that Penns JV team can compete with a lot of Indianas Varsity teams. Penn also sent a 3rd team to the Westview Invite and took 2nd with all other Varsity teams. Coach Harper and staff have something great going on and can not wait to see them in action at Mishawka Invite. Why would anyone want to waste their time wrestling them then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maolsen Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 SBA? South bend adams lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muckman_1999 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Penn does have an outstanding team and program...as they do in all their sports. they also have something like 3500 kids in their school. It is a different ball game when you have that many athletes to choose from. To give you an idea on that it is about twice as many students as quality DAC schools like Chesterton and Laporte. It is really necessary to wrestle as many of their kids as possible, and it creates tremendous depth in their program. What is really scary is I bet they have a number of quality kids that quit because they cannot break into the varsity lineup and decide not to put the time into it. As a parent of one of the teams that wrestled their jv team, it is really a varsity line up. I guess my question is how they can by the rules wrestle two teams in one tournament. Perhaps if a team did not show up they could do this. But did this happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maolsen Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Why would anyone want to waste their time wrestling them then? compition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 compition. Compitition that you can't count on your record? No thanks. They've wrestled this superdual with two teams at least this past two or three years and I don't recalled anyone not being able to count the matches on their records. We wrestled their second team up in Edwardsburg a couple of years ago and it counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogihof Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Again to reinterate, they got rid of some teams a couple of years ago to get better competition. Not sure that makes sense?? I also wonder why would a team want to put up their Varsity against a Penn or Mishawaka reserve team? Won't help your record, only be using your kids to help build up the reserve kids for Penn/Mishawaka. In addition, you are limited to 18 dates, why waste those on some other schools JV, that won't count towards a thing?? Personally this appears to be the big schools pushing around the small schools, again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Again to reinterate, they got rid of some teams a couple of years ago to get better competition. Not sure that makes sense?? I also wonder why would a team want to put up their Varsity against a Penn or Mishawaka reserve team? Won't help your record, only be using your kids to help build up the reserve kids for Penn/Mishawaka. In addition, you are limited to 18 dates, why waste those on some other schools JV, that won't count towards a thing?? Personally this appears to be the big schools pushing around the small schools, again!! What schools did they get rid of? I've been going to this meet for 5 years now and it's not that different. I still say that the matches against the Penn second team are valid. Karl, what do you know on this subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muckman_1999 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Nobody forces any team to go to this invite...it is penn's invite...as long as they are compliant with ihsaa rules....teams want to go there because it is has been a great invite in a nice facility and it is well run with good competition...including Penn's #2 team that was 4 and 1 on the day with a loss to valparaiso. My guess is the coaches from ht eopposing teams are not that bothered by the issue. Now if they are breakiing any rules that is different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogihof Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 What schools did they get rid of? I've been going to this meet for 5 years now and it's not that different. Fairfield was not invited back after Dec. 2009. Told they were looking for bigger schools and better competition?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penn04 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Do teams invite Penn 2 to tournaments despite it not counting because Penn brings a lot of kids, which means a lot of parents, which means a lot of $$? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muckman_1999 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I would guess no on that one...teams probably invite Penn 2 because they need to fill a a slot and they know penn 2 will provide a full team and quality competition. Most admins are happy to break even on wrestling and not lose money. there is nothing worse from my point of view than wrestling a team that cannot field a full team and forfeits multiple weights. that does not good for a team at all. Penn has the numbers...I think overall the sport does a pretty nice job giving as many kids as possibility of getting matches. there are jy and frosh tournaments and exhibition matches at events like the Penn duals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecomets Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 9-4 All Organized Athletic Contests are Considered a ?Contest? Participation of students in an organized athletic contest during the contest season with or against players not attending their school constitutes a game. Organized Contest ? an assembling of persons for athletic competition, with or against individuals not presently in your school. 9-6 Member Schools Limited to One Tournament Series Team; Students May Only Represent Their Own School Member schools may maintain any number of teams in the same sport, but only one team may represent a school in an IHSAA tournament series. Varsity ? Highest team in a high school sport. IHSAA 2011-12 By Laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 9-4 All Organized Athletic Contests are Considered a “Contest” Participation of students in an organized athletic contest during the contest season with or against players not attending their school constitutes a game. Organized Contest — an assembling of persons for athletic competition, with or against individuals not presently in your school. 9-6 Member Schools Limited to One Tournament Series Team; Students May Only Represent Their Own School Member schools may maintain any number of teams in the same sport, but only one team may represent a school in an IHSAA tournament series. Varsity — Highest team in a high school sport. IHSAA 2011-12 By Laws Mayor, This pretty much sums it up. Results versus Penn's JV #1-13 are still technically against JV kids and should not count for seeding purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCards Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Mayor, This pretty much sums it up. Results versus Penn's JV #1-13 are still technically against JV kids and should not count for seeding purposes. Where does the above quoted by-law state that results vs. JV kids should not count for seeding purposes? The way I read this is that they do indeed count... as there are no limits to a number of teams a school may have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busstogate Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I always understood that if a varsity wrestlers wrestles agasint a JV, it does come off of their 18 points, though. Not sure on sectional seeding issues, but I would bet it counts in round-robin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Where does the above quoted by-law state that results vs. JV kids should not count for seeding purposes? The way I read this is that they do indeed count... as there are no limits to a number of teams a school may have. Have at it...Counting matches against another schools JV team(s) probably sets a bad precedent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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