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That Parris match was the worst officiated match I've ever seen. The exact same thing happened at least 10 times that match. Stoll locked up and used his weight to push, they get to the edge, Parris tries to snap and circle and they both go out of bounds. A few times Parris gets called for stalling, a couple times Stoll gets called for stalling, a few times action is called. It was completely random and disgraceful.

Thanks for the update -- I was not aware of the "gray shirt." I didn't even know that was allowed between high school and college without burning a year of eligibility. When reading up on it though, it does appear you can greyshirt then later redshirt, so it make sense with how stacked Penn State is at these weight classes.

Any word on Joe Lee this year? Did I miss an injury or something? I'm just surprised I haven't seen his name at any of these Open tournaments.

It was -- WSOF Global, but that's not the same as having a contract with WSOF. Also, I believe Jarred was set to try out for Season 24 of the Ultimate Fighter which was going to be a flyweight season, but for some reason the UFC cancelled the tryouts and has made no further announcements about Season 24.

Jarred won a fight in Feb. at 115lbs in Japan and a fight this past weekend at 125lbs. in Russia that was supposedly part of an 8 man tourney. I assume that means his next fight will be in Russia as a progression of that tourney. Either way, he is getting bigger and bigger fights so I'd look for him to get a fight in RFA, Titan, WSOF or Bellator soon.

If I were his AD --- that coach might be looking for a new job.

The system actually does appear to be doing at least as well as the states where Y2 has provided data in terms of total participation. Overall forfeits of the 5 states compared are lowest in Indiana. However, I never said, "keep it how it is" rather explore other options that help participation across the board, not just redistribute the forfeits to different schools. From he data provided, class wrestling does not appear to be the answer to increase overall participation.

I don't think it's more fair. My answer would be the same if the tables were turned and large schools had lots of forfeits that we could fix but it would make the small school forfeits go up. I see no reason to overhaul an entire system to help one group which would in turn hurt another group. I'm much more in favor of solutions that can help wrestling as a whole. Nothing I've seen in the data presented suggests helping the system as a whole to me.

I don't think it's more difficult or unfair for large schools in a class system, I've not seen that argument made. However, it does appear that forfeits are up in large schools in a classed system. This thread is about forfeits, and shifting forfeits from small schools to large schools isn't a good way to solve the growing forfeit issue. It looks to me like the people in favor of that are only in favor of helping small schools not in favor of helping wrestling overall.

And their large schools field smaller teams -- ones again indicating that class wrestling helps small schools and hurts large ones. Pretty much status quo.

Quote the part on sample size, cut the rest of the post showing why the numbers aren't quite as telling as they might first appear. Classy.

I haven't seen any, I think looking for some would be a fair next step --- but I also haven't seen any data that suggest to me that classed wrestling is the solution.

You have a bit of a sample size issue when you are comparing 50 schools to 201 and 20 schools to 89, so I'm not sure the "full forfeit difference" is quite as telling as one might think at first look. And looking at the numbers a bit closer you will see the following: IN-OH FF difference small schools -- IN has 1.23 more FF/school large schools -- OH has .77 more FF/school IN-KS FF difference small schools -- IN has .91 more FF/school large schools -- KS has .77 more FF/school IN-MI FF difference small schools -- IN has .93 more FF/school large schools -- MI has 1.39 more FF/school So, the largest discrepancy is actually between IN and MI large schools. And -- if we take the average of the comparison's between IN and the 3 other states we see that IN has on average 1.02 more FF in the small schools than the other three states, and the other 3 states have on average .98 more FF in the larger schools. Really not as much discrepancy as one might think. Seems like more evidence of just shifting the problem from small schools to large one's. That doesn't seem like much of a solution to me.

Hahahaha -- you have zero answer other than some non-sense accusation that no reasonable person would gather from the statements I've made. I personally have nothing against small schools -- I coached at one for many years. But, as I said in the post you quoted, "Instead, I think looking into different solutions, like many others in this thread have proposed, that are good for everyone is a much better solution."

Because I'm not proposing a massive change to the system only to spread the pain out differently. It's rather disheartening to me that your answer is (paraphrasing) "We've hurt small schools long enough, lets change things and hurt the large school for a change. Who's with me!!!!!" Instead, I think looking into different solutions, like many others in this thread have proposed, that are good for everyone is a much better solution. Not just doing whatever is best for one group.