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Team State Qualifying Procedures 2016

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Here is a link to the IHSWCA Team State qualifying procedures for this year:
 
https://sites.google.com/site/inwrestlingcoaches/news/selection2016

 

A pdf download of classification assignments can be found here:

 

http://indianamat.com/index.php/topic/49552-team-state-classification-finalized/
 
Scoring and all practical items are the same as last season.  Coaches, make special note of the steps and deadline for submitting injured wrestler information.
 
Most questions not addressed in the procedures document that you have about all things related to the qualifying process can be answered in these Frequently Asked Question posts I previously prepared:
 
General Qualification and Scoring:
 
http://indianamat.com/index.php/topic/49226-team-state-qualification-faqs-topic-1-general-qualification-and-scoring-process
 
Team Classification:
 
http://indianamat.com/index.php/topic/49236-team-state-qualification-faqs-topic-2-team-classification
 
Controlling for Sectional and Regional Difficulty:
 
http://indianamat.com/index.php/topic/49246-team-state-qualification-faqs-topic-3-controlling-for-sectional-and-regional-difficulty
 
Injury Considerations and "Those scores don't seem fair" situations:
 
http://indianamat.com/index.php/topic/49259-team-state-qualification-faqs-topic-4-injuries-and-those-scores-dont-seem-fair-situations

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I think the IHSWCA should send out invites to all the high schools, to see if they would be interested in attending the IHSWCA Dual State tournament. That way they would only have to worry and calculate the points for those that are willing to attend. As most of you know, some teams will not attend even if they qualify. What do you guys think?

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It's not like a team is taking points from another team. Team A scored more than Team B, but Team A defined the invite. Team B is next in line to be invited. The wrestlers earn the point totals equally. One team doesn't hog all they points so that another team can't earn them. Their wrestlers just wrestled better about and earned them.

 

A team not wanting to participate has no effect on the scoring. And the data managers have the system down since we have been doing it for a few years now that it no longer consumes so much time, and is easier now than ever before.

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A team choosing not to participate would have an impact on classifications if we were to remove them from the total amount of schools eligible. 

 

That's true, but it's been a key part of what the coaches have wanted all along to have the event be "all in" so that it can evolve into something that eventually might be tempting for the IHSAA to replicate.  Because of logistics and growing pains, not every single decision has been made with the express purpose of convincing the IHSAA to take it on, but the principle of "all in" has been a non-negotiable foundation of sorts.

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That's true, but it's been a key part of what the coaches have wanted all along to have the event be "all in" so that it can evolve into something that eventually might be tempting for the IHSAA to replicate.  Because of logistics and growing pains, not every single decision has been made with the express purpose of convincing the IHSAA to take it on, but the principle of "all in" has been a non-negotiable foundation of sorts.

 

I was not necessarily advocating not including teams that say they are not going to attend (which does seem logical), I was just pointing out that it would have an impact.  

 

Ten full teams in 1A show that we should reconsider this "all-in" format and maybe limit it to teams with 7+ wrestlers.

 

Can we honestly believe that a team with less than 7 wrestlers can compete, as a team, in the 1A Team State, or even have a chance to qualify? Are we interested in putting together something that the IHSAA could adopt or are we interested in putting the best product on the mat?        

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Ten full teams in 1A show that we should reconsider this "all-in" format and maybe limit it to teams with 7+ wrestlers.

If one of the main issues is how these low entry teams effects the 1A and 2A cut off, couldn't they just adjust the 1A/2A cut number higher to account for those schools.  That way the low entry school are still included in the point scoring process, but their addition wont misrepresent/skew a fair cut off point between where 1A and 2A should be.  I mentioned this in previous years as a possible easy fix if that was the main issue with those school being allowed in.  

 

In an all inclusive system we do need to consider that some of these low entry schools (4 or 5 kids) could theoretically have enough incoming wrestlers the next season between new freshman and others join to fill well over half their line-up the next season.  We know that realistically they wont score enough to be included in the team state event, but they are still a team in the individual tournament.  The cut adjustment to account for those schools though let them get a score, but their inclusion wouldn't affecting the more realistic split we should have between the 1A and 2A classes.  

 

I'm not sure the same cut adjustment would need to then be made between 2A and 3A.  Sure it may make the classes uneven, but the point would be to just account how 1A and 2A are off set by the low entries.  That same issue may not effect where the proper cut would be between 2A and 3A.    

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Can we honestly believe that a team with less than 7 wrestlers can compete, as a team, in the 1A Team State, or even have a chance to qualify? Are we interested in putting together something that the IHSAA could adopt or are we interested in putting the best product on the mat?        

The powers that be speak out of both sides of their mouths when addressing this question.

 

They say NO when they want to seed the event and invite teams not based on geography aka 3 teams from each semi-state. Then they say YES, when they want the all-in format and teams with 2 or less athletes aren't counted.

 

Last year a team would need 5 RETURNING state champions and one other sectional participant to make the top 20 teams in 1A.

Couldn't they just adjust the cut number higher between 1A/2A to account for those schools with low participation.  This way those school are still included in the point scoring process, but it doesn't misrepresent/skew a fair cut off point between 1A and 2A.  I mentioned this in previous years as a possible easy fix to this argument.  In this all inclusive idea we should consider that some of these low entry schools (4 or 5 kids) could theoretically have enough incoming wrestlers the next season between new freshman and others join to fill well over half their line-up the next season. The is cut adjustment will let those schools still count without it effecting a more realistic split of the 1A and 2A classes.  

 

I'm not sure the same cut adjustment would need to then be made between 2A and 3A.  It may only need to be made at 1A to account for the effect of the low entry schools on the 1A cut off.  the 2A and 3A cut off may depend on if the committee feels the current cut is a fair representation of what size schools should be in each of those classes.   

They can count anyone they want, that's not an issue.

 

If they were to say that you need 7 or more wrestlers at sectional to qualify it would shift the cut-off lines for all three classes.

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