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Congratulations Toby (and Tony). Wishing you much success!!!!

Bellmont- Ruble brothers (Isaac & Jon)

I understand what awood2 is saying. I sat with a Big Ten official at a high school tournament 2 years ago and he told me "you could not pay him enough to officiate a high school match". He said the rules differ so much, more than most people realize. This official is one of the better Big Ten officials and he admitted he would screw up a high school match. But then again he is not licensed to officiate high school matches.

According to the IHSAA website here are some attendance numbers from the past: Recent 2015-16 - 33,593 Total, 12,643 Finals 2014-15 - 29,388 Total, 10,528 Finals 2013-14 - 29,807 Total, ???! 2010-11 - 27,999 2009-10 - 25,811 1997-98 - 35,732 Total, 10,178 Finals 1996-97 - 37,020 Total 1994-95 - 36,528 In last years recaps the IHSAA states that the 33,593 was a new 3 session record. The totals listed in the nineties above is also from the IHSAA's website in those years recaps.... I guess I don't undrerstand their definition of records....ha.

His LEGACY should not be questioned by anyone. Only 2 career losses, both as underclassman and both to number 1 ranked wrestlers in the country. There hasn't been anyone in the state of Indiana (I'm pretty sure) that had to wrestle two #1ranked national wrestlers in the state tournament for their only two career losses... Not Angel, not Blake, not Lance, not Alex and definitely not Drake....let's face it Indiana hasn't had many #1 ranked kids. His LEGACY is not based on number of state title, career wins or career pins... His legacy is solidified on who he is, how he conducted himself, how he won and how he lost. How many Indiana kids TF'd their way to the finals at nationals? His legacy allows him to stand shoulder to shoulder with every name mentioned. Just thoughts on his legacy.

I don't know how you can leave Nick Lee off this list. He will more than likely end his high school career with (2) losses. One as a freshman to the number one ranked senior in he he nation at the time. IMO every one mentioned would have lost that matchup as a freshman as well. The second one as a junior to the number one ranked wrestler in the nation again. I think you are kidding yourself if you watched that match and don't think Red and Lee aren't even. The difference is that Lee is only a junior and will only get better next year. Assuming only two career losses, both as underclass man to the number one ranked kids in the nation.

Rick Bacon from Warren Central, 2x runner up.

I know Mishawaka Marian has had a state qualifier before, I see they have one this year at 220. When was their last one before this year?

Any top 4 predictions?

Some people on here are complaining that they couldn't see all the mats from their seat, then continues by suggesting going back to a two arena set up. That will fix not being able to see all the mats from your seat. Another person complained about the lack of communication (cost of entry, etc...) Y2 has had that posted for sometime, again I didn't receive a call from anyone giving me the details either. Was yesterday perfect? No but I for one thought this year was a HUGE step in the right direction. Having all the mats in ONE area is a HUGE plus. The seating, although lacking was by far better than the previous venues. There was no way to predict the attendance to almost double from previous years. I'm not saying there isn't a better facility to host this event but I think with another year of planning a lot of the legitimate issues could be addressed. I'm not convinced there is an ideal location that can support this events requirements to hold 12 mats, 36 full teams and great seating for 3,000 people (and affordable). Bottom line, KUDOS to the event organizers... GREAT JOB!

What teams are at Bishop Luers Saturday??? Thank you.

I think the main issue on this thread is the double standard by which Yorktown is displaying. There is NO question (Yorktown) has benefited by MANY transfers over the last several years (some names listed in a previous post). Back in 2010 / 2011 was the MOST blatant example of questionable transfers ever! Yorktown had a "hole" in their lineup at 138 that they felt needed to be filled to advance to the state finals. Early in the year I think there was a transfer student from Jay County who just happens to be a very good 138 lb wrestler. The IHSAA declared him ineligible to participate at Yorktown so this student decided it was in his best interest to go back to Jay County and wrestle that year. While Yorktown seemed to have missed out on this good fortune, Santa Clause must have thought Coach McCormick and Coach Delaney must have been good little boys and delivered them (for Christmas, 1/2 way thru the wrestling season) another 138 lb very good wrestler from Franklin (I believe).... One might ask how Yorktown received two move ins, both very good wrestlers at a weight they needed to fill in the same year? I have heard a lot about this particular incident, some fact, some speculation so I won't get into that. (Just a side note, Bellmont's 138 lber beat the Yorktown transfer student and Bellmont advanced to the State Finals, Yorktown went home...KARMA?) I for one am AMAZED and utterly shocked that Yorktown would be so bold, brash and are so willing to put themselves in this position. If you open your arms to accept transfers (some legit, some questionable and some blatantly unethical) your open arm policy should make darn sure your arms are open when they want to leave.... How can you have such a double standard? As I stated earlier the main issue is the double standard by which Yorktown is displaying.

Maybe it was the "flying skunk"... Call it what you want, that kid impressed me more than anyone Saturday. Best of luck at Bankers Life Mr. Coy.

This is probably one of the best topics to debate right now. I don't have a dog in this fight so my opinion is based soley on what I have seen this year and previous years. I think we currently have a 4 class system right now (around these weights). Class A = Micic (no one even close to him, he has proved it...pressure or no pressure??? really?) Class B = Lee (no one close to him, Micic way above him, everyone else way below him) Class C = Red and and a few others (like Early and Davis) Class D = the rest of the field.... After watching Lee destroy everyone except Micic and the way he did it.... I may be wrong but I think Lee will end his Indiana High School career with only 1 loss (Saturday to Micic) even if he wrestled Red 10 a year for the next two years (assuming he stays in Indiana, lets hope). We can only hope that us as fans can be blessed with a Lee vs. Red match up next year.

I don't disagree with you on this but the fact remains they are a 1A school and their numbers should be reflected in the 1A catagory. Just my opinion. You could also say Yorktown is an outlier as well since I don't believe any 2A school has qualified the number of wrestler they did but you shouldn't remove them from the data for that.... just note it as so.....

A more accurate view of these numbers would be to put MD in 1A since they are actually a 1A school in size even though they choose to jump up and participate in the 3A Invitational. Not that it would tell anything diffferent just more accurate view when looking at numbers and school sizes.....

1) If there is NO Legacy Rule, do you think there should be? 2) I did not realize the smallest 3A school was bumped to 2A, does that mean the smallest 2A is then bumped to 1A? Just curious, who would have been the 8th team in 3A that was a 3A school in size from last year? Are they in the 2A tournament this year? Ps. I could not agreee more on your comments about MD (walking through the field in 1A), these are just curiousity questions. Thank you.

1) Is there a provision / rule for this tourament format that will force a team up a class after a second straight Title, similar to the IHSAA rules? 2) If this tournament was designed to crown winners in specified classes, how can it be allowed for schools to decide (on their own) to move up classes? I understand MD wanting to for the competition and respect them for that but how fair it is for the TRUE 8th best school in 3A (based the point system), they are then bumped out? Just a curious.

I think Tony Abbott was a Cadet - Geco Roman National Champ in 1988.

Desperate programs are forced into desperate situations....haha.

Here are 2 young men that IMPRESSED me: 170 lb - Jake Reed, Muncie Southside, finished 4th at SS, got a good draw and made it count with (2) first period falls on Friday night and Saturday morning, went on and finished 4th at STATE, unranked coming in. Came in under the radar, left on the BIG SCREEN. GREAT JOB JAKE. 285 lb - Joe Garland, Rushville, finished 4 at SS, wrestled under the lights to finish 2nd in State. Came in ranked #18 in State, left #2. Very impressive.

Kudos to the kid, even throughout the ticket round match when it seemed like everything backfired on him, he never let up. I was impressed with his effort and attitude. That is what high school wrestling is all about. Best of luck next year Mr. G. A lot of other wrestlers and coaches need to take note.

1985 112 lbs was a good one Oliver Richmond, FW Elmhurst over Tom Magiera Merrillville @ New Castle 7-5.

Really, most other sports you see the shaking of hands to show sportsmanship? Baseball, basketball, football, volleyball...I would say 95% is walking thru a line holding your hand out and slapping it. Rarely do you see opponents in those sports actually shaking hands like wrestlers do after a match. This is a stupid conversation, every time.

I agree with you AJ, the people who are making the statements about Muncie South making it in but not some other school... Are not very informed on the "tradition" of Muncie South wrestling. Several individual state champs along with quite a few national champs over the years. More success at Muncie South than at MOST schools across the state.