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Having spent a bit more time in Iowa over the past few months, I've spoken to quite a few other UI athlete's parents about how Iowa HS sports offered and believe there's some interesting tidbits that Indiana may wish to ponder. 
1. Schools let athletes compete in more than one sport in a season.
2. Track and baseball are not in the same season.
3. There are four sport athletes (and a few 5 sport athletes) given #1 & #2 above.
4. Not every team or individual makes the post season, decreasing number of tournament weekends.
5. They play state final games and wrestle state finals series during the week due to multiple class structure.
 
My kid wanted to play MS basketball but was told by school admins he had to choose btwn wrestling or basketball and wouldn't be allowed to do both. Choice made for him.
 
During late elementary years, he really liked baseball. Could bang them over the fence before anyone else in Little League, but daddy ball politics soured that really quickly. Started wrestling GR/FR during "baseball season" and a few years later placed at Fargo...
 
Do think that multiple sport participation can help combat burnout for athletes later in HS - often different friend/teammate circles, pressures/expectations are different, etc. 
 
However, if the kid desires to get to an elite level with aspirations of making it to college to compete, then extra time, practices and sacrifices have to be made to reach that dream. In Division 1, football offers 85 full "headcount" scholarships and basketball has 13; then all the rest of the sports have equivalency scholarships: wrestling 9.9, baseball 11.7, etc. So, if the goal is to go on a ride to college, play the numbers math -- baseball is not it if you're not a pitcher or Babe Ruth...
 
My kid was lucky he had a choice whether to play football or wrestle collegiately in the B1G, but the wrestling training in the "off season" is what prepared him to be able to make that choice and specifically with the training that Chad Red (C-Red) provided which is so much more than what is only on the mat...
 
So rather than pressure kids that have dreams to wrestle after HS to play baseball, run CC/track, etc., help them find a way to train and travel to get those opportunities presented to them through their body of work. 
 
When speaking to parents with young kids, I often suggest 1 team sport and 1 individual sport to narrow down to as they get closer to middle school which usually works except for baseball where the pressure is for year around training and travel teams. (There's a good reason DSG and other companies are heavy promoters of youth sports... hahaha...) The intense schedules of basketball travel & baseball travel are atrocious... At least w/ wrestling off season tournaments, you get to choose whether or not to go and it doesn't impact the team, etc.
 
So, circling back around to the divisions question... How's this sound?
Make 2 divisions, Eliminate sectionals Must qualify for a regional and add wrestlebacks (maybe throw a "true second" round in for seeding purposes and extra drama) & advance 3 to state Run state over multiple days w/ wrestlebacks but no true second round for state finals  

Over the decade and half with my sons and not including #ticketgate past 3 years,  I’d say total $100,000 +\- easy . Would I do it again ? 100% . 
 
They done gave it all back in return with a College Degrees and a life skill . That’s all I wanted outta it . 

Having spent a bit more time in Iowa over the past few months, I've spoken to quite a few other UI athlete's parents about how Iowa HS sports offered and believe there's some interesting tidbits that Indiana may wish to ponder. 
1. Schools let athletes compete in more than one sport in a season.
2. Track and baseball are not in the same season.
3. There are four sport athletes (and a few 5 sport athletes) given #1 & #2 above.
4. Not every team or individual makes the post season, decreasing number of tournament weekends.
5. They play state final games and wrestle state finals series during the week due to multiple class structure.
 
My kid wanted to play MS basketball but was told by school admins he had to choose btwn wrestling or basketball and wouldn't be allowed to do both. Choice made for him.
 
During late elementary years, he really liked baseball. Could bang them over the fence before anyone else in Little League, but daddy ball politics soured that really quickly. Started wrestling GR/FR during "baseball season" and a few years later placed at Fargo...
 
Do think that multiple sport participation can help combat burnout for athletes later in HS - often different friend/teammate circles, pressures/expectations are different, etc. 
 
However, if the kid desires to get to an elite level with aspirations of making it to college to compete, then extra time, practices and sacrifices have to be made to reach that dream. In Division 1, football offers 85 full "headcount" scholarships and basketball has 13; then all the rest of the sports have equivalency scholarships: wrestling 9.9, baseball 11.7, etc. So, if the goal is to go on a ride to college, play the numbers math -- baseball is not it if you're not a pitcher or Babe Ruth...
 
My kid was lucky he had a choice whether to play football or wrestle collegiately in the B1G, but the wrestling training in the "off season" is what prepared him to be able to make that choice and specifically with the training that Chad Red (C-Red) provided which is so much more than what is only on the mat...
 
So rather than pressure kids that have dreams to wrestle after HS to play baseball, run CC/track, etc., help them find a way to train and travel to get those opportunities presented to them through their body of work. 
 
When speaking to parents with young kids, I often suggest 1 team sport and 1 individual sport to narrow down to as they get closer to middle school which usually works except for baseball where the pressure is for year around training and travel teams. (There's a good reason DSG and other companies are heavy promoters of youth sports... hahaha...) The intense schedules of basketball travel & baseball travel are atrocious... At least w/ wrestling off season tournaments, you get to choose whether or not to go and it doesn't impact the team, etc.
 
So, circling back around to the divisions question... How's this sound?
Make 2 divisions, Eliminate sectionals Must qualify for a regional and add wrestlebacks (maybe throw a "true second" round in for seeding purposes and extra drama) & advance 3 to state Run state over multiple days w/ wrestlebacks but no true second round for state finals  

Reading through, sounds like top level gains are achieved outside of the high school season. Maybe there should be a separate class for the financially disadvantaged. Clubs and travel tournaments must cost quite a bit. 

Having spent a bit more time in Iowa over the past few months, I've spoken to quite a few other UI athlete's parents about how Iowa HS sports offered and believe there's some interesting tidbits that Indiana may wish to ponder. 
1. Schools let athletes compete in more than one sport in a season.
2. Track and baseball are not in the same season.
3. There are four sport athletes (and a few 5 sport athletes) given #1 & #2 above.
4. Not every team or individual makes the post season, decreasing number of tournament weekends.
5. They play state final games and wrestle state finals series during the week due to multiple class structure.
 
My kid wanted to play MS basketball but was told by school admins he had to choose btwn wrestling or basketball and wouldn't be allowed to do both. Choice made for him.
 
During late elementary years, he really liked baseball. Could bang them over the fence before anyone else in Little League, but daddy ball politics soured that really quickly. Started wrestling GR/FR during "baseball season" and a few years later placed at Fargo...
 
Do think that multiple sport participation can help combat burnout for athletes later in HS - often different friend/teammate circles, pressures/expectations are different, etc. 
 
However, if the kid desires to get to an elite level with aspirations of making it to college to compete, then extra time, practices and sacrifices have to be made to reach that dream. In Division 1, football offers 85 full "headcount" scholarships and basketball has 13; then all the rest of the sports have equivalency scholarships: wrestling 9.9, baseball 11.7, etc. So, if the goal is to go on a ride to college, play the numbers math -- baseball is not it if you're not a pitcher or Babe Ruth...
 
My kid was lucky he had a choice whether to play football or wrestle collegiately in the B1G, but the wrestling training in the "off season" is what prepared him to be able to make that choice and specifically with the training that Chad Red (C-Red) provided which is so much more than what is only on the mat...
 
So rather than pressure kids that have dreams to wrestle after HS to play baseball, run CC/track, etc., help them find a way to train and travel to get those opportunities presented to them through their body of work. 
 
When speaking to parents with young kids, I often suggest 1 team sport and 1 individual sport to narrow down to as they get closer to middle school which usually works except for baseball where the pressure is for year around training and travel teams. (There's a good reason DSG and other companies are heavy promoters of youth sports... hahaha...) The intense schedules of basketball travel & baseball travel are atrocious... At least w/ wrestling off season tournaments, you get to choose whether or not to go and it doesn't impact the team, etc.
 
So, circling back around to the divisions question... How's this sound?
Make 2 divisions, Eliminate sectionals Must qualify for a regional and add wrestlebacks (maybe throw a "true second" round in for seeding purposes and extra drama) & advance 3 to state Run state over multiple days w/ wrestlebacks but no true second round for state finals  

Having spent a bit more time in Iowa over the past few months, I've spoken to quite a few other UI athlete's parents about how Iowa HS sports offered and believe there's some interesting tidbits that Indiana may wish to ponder. 
1. Schools let athletes compete in more than one sport in a season.
2. Track and baseball are not in the same season.
3. There are four sport athletes (and a few 5 sport athletes) given #1 & #2 above.
4. Not every team or individual makes the post season, decreasing number of tournament weekends.
5. They play state final games and wrestle state finals series during the week due to multiple class structure.
 
My kid wanted to play MS basketball but was told by school admins he had to choose btwn wrestling or basketball and wouldn't be allowed to do both. Choice made for him.
 
During late elementary years, he really liked baseball. Could bang them over the fence before anyone else in Little League, but daddy ball politics soured that really quickly. Started wrestling GR/FR during "baseball season" and a few years later placed at Fargo...
 
Do think that multiple sport participation can help combat burnout for athletes later in HS - often different friend/teammate circles, pressures/expectations are different, etc. 
 
However, if the kid desires to get to an elite level with aspirations of making it to college to compete, then extra time, practices and sacrifices have to be made to reach that dream. In Division 1, football offers 85 full "headcount" scholarships and basketball has 13; then all the rest of the sports have equivalency scholarships: wrestling 9.9, baseball 11.7, etc. So, if the goal is to go on a ride to college, play the numbers math -- baseball is not it if you're not a pitcher or Babe Ruth...
 
My kid was lucky he had a choice whether to play football or wrestle collegiately in the B1G, but the wrestling training in the "off season" is what prepared him to be able to make that choice and specifically with the training that Chad Red (C-Red) provided which is so much more than what is only on the mat...
 
So rather than pressure kids that have dreams to wrestle after HS to play baseball, run CC/track, etc., help them find a way to train and travel to get those opportunities presented to them through their body of work. 
 
When speaking to parents with young kids, I often suggest 1 team sport and 1 individual sport to narrow down to as they get closer to middle school which usually works except for baseball where the pressure is for year around training and travel teams. (There's a good reason DSG and other companies are heavy promoters of youth sports... hahaha...) The intense schedules of basketball travel & baseball travel are atrocious... At least w/ wrestling off season tournaments, you get to choose whether or not to go and it doesn't impact the team, etc.
 
So, circling back around to the divisions question... How's this sound?
Make 2 divisions, Eliminate sectionals Must qualify for a regional and add wrestlebacks (maybe throw a "true second" round in for seeding purposes and extra drama) & advance 3 to state Run state over multiple days w/ wrestlebacks but no true second round for state finals  

Having spent a bit more time in Iowa over the past few months, I've spoken to quite a few other UI athlete's parents about how Iowa HS sports offered and believe there's some interesting tidbits that Indiana may wish to ponder. 
1. Schools let athletes compete in more than one sport in a season.
2. Track and baseball are not in the same season.
3. There are four sport athletes (and a few 5 sport athletes) given #1 & #2 above.
4. Not every team or individual makes the post season, decreasing number of tournament weekends.
5. They play state final games and wrestle state finals series during the week due to multiple class structure.
 
My kid wanted to play MS basketball but was told by school admins he had to choose btwn wrestling or basketball and wouldn't be allowed to do both. Choice made for him.
 
During late elementary years, he really liked baseball. Could bang them over the fence before anyone else in Little League, but daddy ball politics soured that really quickly. Started wrestling GR/FR during "baseball season" and a few years later placed at Fargo...
 
Do think that multiple sport participation can help combat burnout for athletes later in HS - often different friend/teammate circles, pressures/expectations are different, etc. 
 
However, if the kid desires to get to an elite level with aspirations of making it to college to compete, then extra time, practices and sacrifices have to be made to reach that dream. In Division 1, football offers 85 full "headcount" scholarships and basketball has 13; then all the rest of the sports have equivalency scholarships: wrestling 9.9, baseball 11.7, etc. So, if the goal is to go on a ride to college, play the numbers math -- baseball is not it if you're not a pitcher or Babe Ruth...
 
My kid was lucky he had a choice whether to play football or wrestle collegiately in the B1G, but the wrestling training in the "off season" is what prepared him to be able to make that choice and specifically with the training that Chad Red (C-Red) provided which is so much more than what is only on the mat...
 
So rather than pressure kids that have dreams to wrestle after HS to play baseball, run CC/track, etc., help them find a way to train and travel to get those opportunities presented to them through their body of work. 
 
When speaking to parents with young kids, I often suggest 1 team sport and 1 individual sport to narrow down to as they get closer to middle school which usually works except for baseball where the pressure is for year around training and travel teams. (There's a good reason DSG and other companies are heavy promoters of youth sports... hahaha...) The intense schedules of basketball travel & baseball travel are atrocious... At least w/ wrestling off season tournaments, you get to choose whether or not to go and it doesn't impact the team, etc.
 
So, circling back around to the divisions question... How's this sound?
Make 2 divisions, Eliminate sectionals Must qualify for a regional and add wrestlebacks (maybe throw a "true second" round in for seeding purposes and extra drama) & advance 3 to state Run state over multiple days w/ wrestlebacks but no true second round for state finals  

Having spent a bit more time in Iowa over the past few months, I've spoken to quite a few other UI athlete's parents about how Iowa HS sports offered and believe there's some interesting tidbits that Indiana may wish to ponder. 
1. Schools let athletes compete in more than one sport in a season.
2. Track and baseball are not in the same season.
3. There are four sport athletes (and a few 5 sport athletes) given #1 & #2 above.
4. Not every team or individual makes the post season, decreasing number of tournament weekends.
5. They play state final games and wrestle state finals series during the week due to multiple class structure.
 
My kid wanted to play MS basketball but was told by school admins he had to choose btwn wrestling or basketball and wouldn't be allowed to do both. Choice made for him.
 
During late elementary years, he really liked baseball. Could bang them over the fence before anyone else in Little League, but daddy ball politics soured that really quickly. Started wrestling GR/FR during "baseball season" and a few years later placed at Fargo...
 
Do think that multiple sport participation can help combat burnout for athletes later in HS - often different friend/teammate circles, pressures/expectations are different, etc. 
 
However, if the kid desires to get to an elite level with aspirations of making it to college to compete, then extra time, practices and sacrifices have to be made to reach that dream. In Division 1, football offers 85 full "headcount" scholarships and basketball has 13; then all the rest of the sports have equivalency scholarships: wrestling 9.9, baseball 11.7, etc. So, if the goal is to go on a ride to college, play the numbers math -- baseball is not it if you're not a pitcher or Babe Ruth...
 
My kid was lucky he had a choice whether to play football or wrestle collegiately in the B1G, but the wrestling training in the "off season" is what prepared him to be able to make that choice and specifically with the training that Chad Red (C-Red) provided which is so much more than what is only on the mat...
 
So rather than pressure kids that have dreams to wrestle after HS to play baseball, run CC/track, etc., help them find a way to train and travel to get those opportunities presented to them through their body of work. 
 
When speaking to parents with young kids, I often suggest 1 team sport and 1 individual sport to narrow down to as they get closer to middle school which usually works except for baseball where the pressure is for year around training and travel teams. (There's a good reason DSG and other companies are heavy promoters of youth sports... hahaha...) The intense schedules of basketball travel & baseball travel are atrocious... At least w/ wrestling off season tournaments, you get to choose whether or not to go and it doesn't impact the team, etc.
 
So, circling back around to the divisions question... How's this sound?
Make 2 divisions, Eliminate sectionals Must qualify for a regional and add wrestlebacks (maybe throw a "true second" round in for seeding purposes and extra drama) & advance 3 to state Run state over multiple days w/ wrestlebacks but no true second round for state finals  

Congratulations to this year's inductees
 
 

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@JMILL
 
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@Mattyb
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4 nominations a year representing your semi state 
 
a 5th if that rep comes mooresville semi state

Man this has been a pre show topic for years 
 
@TeamGarcia gotta be in the mix repping for a whole county start so many hashtags 
 
@GenHeavyHandz for his perseverance in getting “vacations” and to keep coming back 
 
@hook and half for his amazing write ups and quick wit 
 
and of Couse the Region rat because would it be a message board with out him? 
 
 What about some older posters the golden age 
 
@IndianaMudflap bringing hate to the logansport regional 
 
 
***can you currently be on a banned list and still be nominated 

Sorry fellas... It's in the Geneva Conventions....
 
Man it takes a lot to get the FT Wayne Crew worked up, @purdue02 just made the bulletin board in the Wayne!!!! 

Very interesting twists on this thread...
 
Interesting take by some posters criticizing some wrestlers and their parents for making decisions to compete this season vs. not due to injuries...
 
A few thoughts...
these athletes only get 4 years to compete in HS for the sport they've trained in since most were 4 years old. To give up a season when a physician says it's your choice, it's not surprising most chose to continue competing... There's no medical red shirt in high school sports.  Guys like Preston Haines who missed a season that he'd likely have been the state champ, know what it feels like to miss out, so no surprise he wanted to continue... Parker Reynolds defied statistics with his recovery, read Gregg Doyel's IndyStar article for info there... Guys like Reynolds, Brewer, Haines did all they could to compete to help the team win the title this year and didn't want to let their teammates and coaches down. Additionally for what it is worth, Brewer wrestled lights out at Evansville and you could tell that his lower extremity issue wasn't affecting him as much on that Saturday as it was at state... So, if a poster wants to opine about the rule, i get it. Casting shade at athletes from certain schools to further your gripe is probably not necessary at all and makes issues personal imo... 
 
 
 
 

Very interesting twists on this thread...
 
Interesting take by some posters criticizing some wrestlers and their parents for making decisions to compete this season vs. not due to injuries...
 
A few thoughts...
these athletes only get 4 years to compete in HS for the sport they've trained in since most were 4 years old. To give up a season when a physician says it's your choice, it's not surprising most chose to continue competing... There's no medical red shirt in high school sports.  Guys like Preston Haines who missed a season that he'd likely have been the state champ, know what it feels like to miss out, so no surprise he wanted to continue... Parker Reynolds defied statistics with his recovery, read Gregg Doyel's IndyStar article for info there... Guys like Reynolds, Brewer, Haines did all they could to compete to help the team win the title this year and didn't want to let their teammates and coaches down. Additionally for what it is worth, Brewer wrestled lights out at Evansville and you could tell that his lower extremity issue wasn't affecting him as much on that Saturday as it was at state... So, if a poster wants to opine about the rule, i get it. Casting shade at athletes from certain schools to further your gripe is probably not necessary at all and makes issues personal imo... 
 
 
 
 

Yeah, our past way of discussing "greatest ever" where we put Tsirtsis over Escobedo because Escobedo had a loss (out of state to a kid highly ranked in the nation)--has to get completely thrown out the window now. I mean Hockaday, our #1-ranked pound-for-pound kid, got a DNP at the Iron Man. If he goes on to win a 4th title, continues to improve nationally, and ends up a multiple-time college All-American--do we put him behind historical guys who had only 2 or 3 career losses but didn't compete out of state, just because of the record in the state finals program? It's definitely a new era.

@TeamGarcia tells the story... Contenders started in Plainfield and moved to Brownsburg a few years ago... Red Cobra came over to the west side in Avon about 9-10 years ago and they've both had staying power over the decade. On any given Tuesday night in the off season, it's a literal Who's Who in Chad and Roy's Red Cobra dojo... 
I imagine the southside training ops have picked up with the addition of the second location for Contenders, so the Mooresville Regional meat grinder will continue to get worse and worse and then have it capped off with the EVSS with Invicta & MCWC throwing in their best. 
 
The other interesting element in the rise of the regional academies has been the additional training opportunities in the olympic styles and the success in them by Indiana wrestlers when competing nationally. 
 
Also, mucho respect to Center Grove, Crown Point and Brownsburg for continuing to push the envelope with wrestling schedules that include the toughest tournaments like IronMan, Brecksville, The Carnahan, IHSWCA 4A Team State and maybe Cheesehead in the future - the level of competition left no one's record unscathed this season. Maybe we will have to have asterisked records for in-state vs. out-of-state W/L numbers in the future - esp for announcers on the state finals broadcasts...!

@TeamGarcia tells the story... Contenders started in Plainfield and moved to Brownsburg a few years ago... Red Cobra came over to the west side in Avon about 9-10 years ago and they've both had staying power over the decade. On any given Tuesday night in the off season, it's a literal Who's Who in Chad and Roy's Red Cobra dojo... 
I imagine the southside training ops have picked up with the addition of the second location for Contenders, so the Mooresville Regional meat grinder will continue to get worse and worse and then have it capped off with the EVSS with Invicta & MCWC throwing in their best. 
 
The other interesting element in the rise of the regional academies has been the additional training opportunities in the olympic styles and the success in them by Indiana wrestlers when competing nationally. 
 
Also, mucho respect to Center Grove, Crown Point and Brownsburg for continuing to push the envelope with wrestling schedules that include the toughest tournaments like IronMan, Brecksville, The Carnahan, IHSWCA 4A Team State and maybe Cheesehead in the future - the level of competition left no one's record unscathed this season. Maybe we will have to have asterisked records for in-state vs. out-of-state W/L numbers in the future - esp for announcers on the state finals broadcasts...!

This needs broken down for the 5th semi-state -- ie, Mooresville Regional...

This needs broken down for the 5th semi-state -- ie, Mooresville Regional...

coulda swore I saw Bell rocking a Burg shirt this weekend.

This needs broken down for the 5th semi-state -- ie, Mooresville Regional...

This needs broken down for the 5th semi-state -- ie, Mooresville Regional...