AndyStJ Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 FRL Live says Indiana wrestling is second tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 I mean, they said we were high second tier. That’s not exactly bad. Hard to argue the states that they put ahead of us aren’t better. but… def not Virginia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 That's correct, there is a clear cut separation from the top five or six states and Indiana along with the other second tier states. MUSKEEWRESTLER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStJ Posted April 1 Author Share Posted April 1 It could be worse. Michigan doesn't even exist in a tier. MUSKEEWRESTLER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) 8 minutes ago, AndyStJ said: It could be worse. Michigan doesn't even exist in a tier. I would put Michigan behind us, but not that far. They got dudes in high school and great college wrestling. Edited April 1 by Mattyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 The top tier(in somewhat order) Pennsylvania Ohio California New Jersey Illinois Second tier(not too much order) Wisconsin Michigan Minnesota Indiana Oklahoma Missouri New York Georgia(sneaking up there) Look at NCAA qualifiers and All-Americans, Junior/16U/14U Duals results, Super 32 results, etc and you'll see most of these states in the mix. The second tier has good runs, then small lulls at times. 20 minutes ago, Mattyb said: I would put Michigan behind us, but not that far. They got dudes in high school and great college wrestling. Recently Indiana has been better than Michigan, but over the course of 10-15 years Michigan is slightly ahead. BrodyHardcastle, MUSKEEWRESTLER and pjayroza 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 20 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said: The top tier(in somewhat order) Pennsylvania Ohio California New Jersey Illinois Second tier(not too much order) Wisconsin Michigan Minnesota Indiana Oklahoma Missouri New York Georgia(sneaking up there) Look at NCAA qualifiers and All-Americans, Junior/16U/14U Duals results, Super 32 results, etc and you'll see most of these states in the mix. The second tier has good runs, then small lulls at times. Recently Indiana has been better than Michigan, but over the course of 10-15 years Michigan is slightly ahead. Georgia is moving up quickly!!! They have some dudes!!!! With that said, they have 7 classes in high school. Our class wrestling advocates, need to research their recent success and bring that to the class wrestling debate! @Thor At the youth level they had Compound. I still see Minons. Lately.. Roundtree has been really tough. These dudes are tough as HELL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, Mattyb said: Georgia is moving up quickly!!! They have some dudes!!!! With that said, they have 7 classes in high school. Our class wrestling advocates, need to research their recent success and bring that to the class wrestling debate! @Thor At the youth level they had Compound. I still see Minons. Lately.. Roundtree has been really tough. These dudes are tough as HELL. Ugh, it is two weeks til tax day, I don't think I have the energy for this right now..... But I looked it up anyway, and my gosh their websites and state brackets stress me out. Even if they had a GeorgiaMat it would be hell figuring that system out. Still can't figure out what the order is from biggest to smallest. Caleb Henson was 5A, which helps me none. Either way, 7 is way too many divisions. Georgia had 1246 state qualifiers this year! That's insane! I just want two classes, or more qualifiers with wrestlebacks. MUSKEEWRESTLER and Tcarter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 3 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: The top tier(in somewhat order) Pennsylvania Ohio California New Jersey Illinois Second tier(not too much order) Wisconsin Michigan Minnesota Indiana Oklahoma Missouri New York Georgia(sneaking up there) Forgot Iowa. They're the #1 per capita producer of top-level talent, despite the small numbers. California is second-tier in per capita talent, but the sheer numbers are big. Colorado and Florida are in the second tier discussion too despite not being in the wrestling belt, and Nebraska is top 10 in per capita talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 12 hours ago, maligned said: Forgot Iowa. They're the #1 per capita producer of top-level talent, despite the small numbers. California is second-tier in per capita talent, but the sheer numbers are big. Colorado and Florida are in the second tier discussion too despite not being in the wrestling belt, and Nebraska is top 10 in per capita talent. Iowa definitely in the second tier. Colorado, Nebraska, and Florida are on the back end of tier 2 or the top of tier 3, they aren't consistent enough to be considered in tier 2. We aren't doing the per capita stuff though. Per capita is the way Iowa justifies being relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 14 hours ago, Thor said: Ugh, it is two weeks til tax day, I don't think I have the energy for this right now..... But I looked it up anyway, and my gosh their websites and state brackets stress me out. Even if they had a GeorgiaMat it would be hell figuring that system out. Still can't figure out what the order is from biggest to smallest. Caleb Henson was 5A, which helps me none. Either way, 7 is way too many divisions. Georgia had 1246 state qualifiers this year! That's insane! I just want two classes, or more qualifiers with wrestlebacks. Georgia, Arizona, and Virginia love having as many classes as possible. I can't even imagine trying to rank seven classes of wrestling, that would be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStJ Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 9 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said: Georgia, Arizona, and Virginia love having as many classes as possible. I can't even imagine trying to rank seven classes of wrestling, that would be a disaster. As they said (not seriously) in the video, Virginia should be top tier because they have more state champions than anyone. It almost makes sense until you actually think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 3 minutes ago, AndyStJ said: As they said (not seriously) in the video, Virginia should be top tier because they have more state champions than anyone. It almost makes sense until you actually think about it. That was sarcasm, Pyle is from Virginia and coached there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 2 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: Georgia, Arizona, and Virginia love having as many classes as possible. I can't even imagine trying to rank seven classes of wrestling, that would be a disaster. Imagine all the profiles you would have on the site, 7 times as many as you have now. Sheesh. I would have a profile on here, and most of my wins came from the other team being too scared to send someone out. Y2CJ41 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 3 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: Iowa definitely in the second tier. Colorado, Nebraska, and Florida are on the back end of tier 2 or the top of tier 3, they aren't consistent enough to be considered in tier 2. We aren't doing the per capita stuff though. Per capita is the way Iowa justifies being relevant. That's true. I agree that we shouldn't put much value on populations or enrollments to evaluate relative success. Mattyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 D1 Qualifier data is a limited way of evaluating who produces the top talent, but it's a decent starting point. Top 20 D1 Qualifiers, combined 2023 & 2024: 1 pa 89 2 il 54 3 oh 50 4 nj 49 5 ca 39 6 ny 33 7 ia 29 8 mn 28 9 mi 24 10 ok 23 11 wi 21 11 fl 21 13 mo 18 14 in 17 15 va 16 15 ga 16 17 co 13 18 nc 10 19 id 8 19 ks 8 Top 20, per capita (Qualifiers for 2 years, per 1 million residents): 1 ia 9.0 2 pa 6.9 3 ok 5.7 4 nj 5.3 5 mn 4.9 6 il 4.3 7 oh 4.2 8 id 4.1 9 wi 3.6 10 ne 3.5 11 mo 2.9 12 ks 2.7 13 in 2.5 14 mi 2.4 15 co 2.2 16 va 1.8 17 ny 1.7 18 ga 1.5 19 ct 1.4 20 al 1.4 (no CA or FL) MUSKEEWRESTLER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStJ Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 A little surprised to see ID and KS ahead of IN in per capita, but their populations are so low that 1 or 2 extra qualifiers would make a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCard Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/1/2024 at 3:08 PM, Mattyb said: Georgia is moving up quickly!!! They have some dudes!!!! With that said, they have 7 classes in high school. Our class wrestling advocates, need to research their recent success and bring that to the class wrestling debate! @Thor At the youth level they had Compound. I still see Minons. Lately.. Roundtree has been really tough. These dudes are tough as HELL. I may know a dude down in Georgia! We do always bust his, ugh marbles about the toughness of his competition. Definitely some hammers down there though. The Lovett School for anyone that was wondering. Mattyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VisionQuest87 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 9 hours ago, XCard said: I may know a dude down in Georgia! We do always bust his, ugh marbles about the toughness of his competition. Definitely some hammers down there though. The Lovett School for anyone that was wondering. Wasn't that dude the Georgia High School Wrestling Coach of the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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