Madtownxwrestler Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 if thats the case why are there not more small school state placers? or at least a proportional amount compared to qualifiers. i believe there probably is i dont have the ability to get school enrollment numbers but id bet they are really close to proportional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I posted this when you originally asked the question. The answer is, no, it is not proportional. The rate of success for entrants is progressively much lower as you go down the classes. Not sure if you saw this: Total sectional participants per class (not including a handful of participants with less than 10 matches wrestled and not placing top 6 at sectional): 3A: 1301 (21% of these advance to 2nd round of semi-state) 104 schools; 12.5 per lineup 2A: 1160 (12% of these to 2nd round of semi-state) 104 schools; 11.2 per lineup 1A: 945 (4% of these to 2nd round of semi-state) 105 schools; 9.0 per lineup (late addition of Madison Shawe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 i believe there probably is i dont have the ability to get school enrollment numbers but id bet they are really close to proportional There is a website called http://www.ihsaa.org/ that has enrollment numbers. Quit being lazy and wanting everything handed to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtownxwrestler Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 There is a website called http://www.ihsaa.org/ that has enrollment numbers. Quit being lazy and wanting everything handed to you. i already looked and couldnt find them thanks for calling me lazy though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 i already looked and couldnt find them thanks for calling me lazy though You obviously didn't look well enough. I thought you were a genius like you claim to be http://www.ihsaa.org/Resources/tabid/1095/LiveAccId/26664/Default.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonehead63 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 if thats the case why are there not more small school state placers? or at least a proportional amount compared to qualifiers. wow. I guess we need to do a study on this. How many kids, and how many placers, and really look into the future of indiana wrestling as a class sport......... because when wrestlers are the same size and same age(roughly) its still not fair, so lets make it easier for some kids to accomplish something, that will not really mean anything anyhow. How about this..........work harder and do the best you can! And if dont reach your goals, well...... be happy with what you got and make the most of it. Thats life. I appreciate everyones stance, but no number, no arguement will ever lead me to believe that class wrestling in indiana is going to benefit anyone. especially the athletes. If anything, it will produce less competitiveness in our wrestlers, and will reward more athletes for accomplishing less. I say no way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtownxwrestler Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 y2 do you have a list of the three ihswca classes you can direct me to or am i too lazy for that as well??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bog190 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 y2 do you have a list of the three ihswca classes you can direct me to or am i too lazy for that as well??? I found this in 10 seconds by using the revolutionary 'search' function. http://indianamat.com/messageboard/index.php/topic,29515.msg195021.html#msg195021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtownxwrestler Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 is it safe to assume MD was the only school that chose to move up in classes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bog190 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 is it safe to assume MD was the only school that chose to move up in classes? It sure is. Your research endeavor is off to a rocky start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 wow. I guess we need to do a study on this. How many kids, and how many placers, and really look into the future of indiana wrestling as a class sport......... because when wrestlers are the same size and same age(roughly) its still not fair, so lets make it easier for some kids to accomplish something, that will not really mean anything anyhow. How about this..........work harder and do the best you can! And if dont reach your goals, well...... be happy with what you got and make the most of it. Thats life. I appreciate everyones stance, but no number, no arguement will ever lead me to believe that class wrestling in indiana is going to benefit anyone. especially the athletes. If anything, it will produce less competitiveness in our wrestlers, and will reward more athletes for accomplishing less. I say no way! I'm not sure what we will do with out the backing of Bonehead63. Pack it up folks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtownxwrestler Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I'm not sure what we will do with out the backing of Bonehead63. Pack it up folks.... once again you have to take cheap stabs lol for us single champ supporters we have the one and only supporter that matters the IHSAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bog190 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 once again you have to take cheap stabs lol for us single champ supporters we have the one and only supporter that matters the IHSAA Looking forward to your research Madtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 i believe there probably is i dont have the ability to get school enrollment numbers but id bet they are really close to proportional MadtownX- Didnt you say it wasnt about the numbers? Might be dangerous to mess with the numbers again. Ill be glad review them again and point out inconsistencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 once again you have to take cheap stabs lol for us single champ supporters we have the one and only supporter that matters the IHSAA They have been doing whats best for the sport in the past i forgot....how was that team race again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtownxwrestler Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 MadtownX- Didnt you say it wasnt about the numbers? Might be dangerous to mess with the numbers again. Ill be glad review them again and point out inconsistencies. here it is class.........pop%........state qualifier %......students per state qualifer 3A............62.75.........64.28.......................1311.14 2A............24.59.........26.78.......................1233.48 1A............12.65.........8.92.........................1903.45 so graphing out a single year class 2A gets the nod here but i thought the big schools somehow had an advantage??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Where is the total population per class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtownxwrestler Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Where is the total population per class? 3A 188,805 2A 74,009 1A 38,069 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 SO there is one state qualifier for each 1233.48 students in 2a? am i reading that correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtownxwrestler Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 SO there is one state qualifier for each 1233.48 students in 2a? am i reading that correctly? That is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 i believe there probably is i dont have the ability to get school enrollment numbers but id bet they are really close to proportional Each team only gets to enter 14 at sectional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 here it is class.........pop%........state qualifier %......students per state qualifer 3A............62.75.........64.28.......................1311.14 2A............24.59.........26.78.......................1233.48 1A............12.65.........8.92.........................1903.45 so graphing out a single year class 2A gets the nod here but i thought the big schools somehow had an advantage??? According to Maligned: state qualifier numbers are below, and your data is a little off. But like you said,"its not all about the numbers and you hate it when people change the numbers for their own agenda." But here's the State qualifiers 3A= 152 or 68% 2a =60 or 27% 1A= 12 or 5% Ill go with your population numbers 1A has 12% of the population but only gets 5% of the qualifiers if you use the right numbers. Dang, looks like your mathematical argument fails again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bog190 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 According to Maligned: state qualifier numbers are below, and your data is a little off. But like you said,"its not all about the numbers and you hate it when people change the numbers for their own agenda." But here's the State qualifiers 3A= 152 or 68% 2a =60 or 27% 1A= 12 or 5% Ill go with your population numbers 1A has 12% of the population but only gets 5% of the qualifiers if you use the right numbers. Dang, looks like your mathematical argument fails again. He includes Mater Dei with 1A, thats where his numbers are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 According to Maligned: state qualifier numbers are below, and your data is a little off. But like you said,"its not all about the numbers and you hate it when people change the numbers for their own agenda." But here's the State qualifiers 3A= 152 or 68% 2a =60 or 27% 1A= 12 or 5% Ill go with your population numbers 1A has 12% of the population but only gets 5% of the qualifiers if you use the right numbers. Dang, looks like your mathematical argument fails again. That's one year. Has it been similar in other years? What if we use 2 classes instead of 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoCoach Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Each team only gets to enter 14 at sectional Using 14 per team assumes that a first year wrestler who is only in the line-up because they pulled him out of the hallways to fill a spot is equal to a wrestler who had to beat out 4-5 other wrestlers for his spot. 14 per weight is not an accurate starting point. But neither is using total school enrollment. The best numbers to start with would be total team members on the roster. That would account for successful small schools and struggling big schools. Unfortunately that is difficult to figure out for 312 schools, unless it is something that can be found on the NWCA body fat testing database. FYI - I am slightly pro-class. To me, it has nothing to do with these statistics that can be manipulated to whatever result you want. It is about increasing our national recruiting from D2, D3, & NAIA colleges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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