Jimtown 138 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 You can teach kids about life in a fairer system where kids are competing like their peers. You know Karl, you'll have a 189 pounder bored to tears with class wrestling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 You know Karl, you'll have a 189 pounder bored to tears with class wrestling... I saw that 189lber last night not bored at all wrestling with a regional qualifier and a semi-state qualifier that are from small schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 No I didn't care about it, I wrestled in the system that was presented to me and had no control over things like class, wrestlebacks, who my coaches were, etc.. I have stated in the past I was a single class supporter through and through until coaching at Northrop(2000 students) and Garrett(550 students). I have also stated as a competitor I love the single class format, but as someone that cares about the sport as a whole I see a class format as something that would be good for the sport. I do understand where you're coming from. We all better hope that we still have wrestling teams in the near future. Budget cuts suck. The only reason I asked about Wilks is I would imagine he would tell you what you wouldn't want to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 You know Karl, you'll have a 189 pounder bored to tears with class wrestling... He only lost to one kid from a school with over 1000 students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I saw that 189lber last night not bored at all wrestling with a regional qualifier and a semi-state qualifier that are from small schools. You gotta love them small schools... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 He only lost to one kid from a school with over 1000 students. He's a monster, but he was like that in jr high... ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I do understand where you're coming from. We all better hope that we still have wrestling teams in the near future. Budget cuts suck. The only reason I asked about Wilks is I would imagine he would tell you what you wouldn't want to hear. Jimtown, Y2 would counter Wilk by saying that Wilk wrestled and coached at two large schools. However, he did wrestle at the tiny little university called Anderson Univeristy (Anderson College back then). That isn't a knock on the school though, I went there myself. Out of curiosity, why do you think Wilk would be a supporter of single class wrestling? I personally have no idea what he would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 The only reason I asked about Wilks is I would imagine he would tell you what you wouldn't want to hear. Many large school coaches agree that class wrestling would be a positive development. Wilk went to a large school and coached at an even larger school so it wouldn't be a huge suprise if hadn't thought a whole lot about wrestling at small schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I do understand where you're coming from. We all better hope that we still have wrestling teams in the near future. Budget cuts suck. The only reason I asked about Wilks is I would imagine he would tell you what you wouldn't want to hear. I wouldn't mind discussing it with him, it would be fun. When I on a rare occasion have been interviewed I try to be professional and not start a fight with the interviewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duck_and_run Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Yeah Northrop has all the advantages thats why they finished below Whitko, Bishop Dwenger, Churubusco, Columbia City, Garrett, amd Carrol. All of which are smaller then Northrop. Garrett the last two year (at least) were better then any Northrop team you were a part of. You make stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I always start fights during interviews...now that's fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Jimtown, Y2 would counter Wilk by saying that Wilk wrestled and coached at two large schools. However, he did wrestle at the tiny little university called Anderson Univeristy (Anderson College back then). That isn't a knock on the school though, I went there myself. Out of curiosity, why do you think Wilk would be a supporter of single class wrestling? I personally have no idea what he would think. I beat him too it. Does Henry feel cheated because he was not able to compete against the big boys in college? I doubt he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I always start fights during interviews...now that's fun the best interview done in my life time ended up in a brawl.... Jim Rome vs Chriss Everett, I mean Jim Everett ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I beat him too it. Does Henry feel cheated because he was not able to compete against the big boys in college? I doubt he does. No one who goes to Anderson would ever feel cheated for anything. Cause AU is that AWESOME!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 It is easy to set back and say no to class wrestling and ignore the problem or claim no problem exist. So I offer an option. Obviously the IHSAA would have to approve. As they would with Class wrestling. If a small school has or wants to have a wrestling program but does not have the support via funding or numbers. It petitions the IHSAA for a "Joiner Waiver" (call it what you want). If approved the IHSAA assigns the school a partner school for a period of time, say 3-5 years. The Partner school must be geographically close and have a Wrestling program itself. The small school uses it's existing funding to set up a transportation system (school system 15 passenger van or short bus) and provides transportation to the partner school for practice and events. Also, pays the fee for an assistant Coach chose jointly by the Partner and small school. And provides singlets. Wrestlers from the small school are full members of the Partner school's team. They practice , and compete as full members. However, they wear the colors of their school. So Eastern Green County partners with Bloomington South. If a EG team member earns a varsity spot or wrestles JV the points go to South but they wear a Eastern Green County Singlet. Effect- High level competition for small school wrestlers Exposure for school- If you win at any level you win in the small school singlet Access for family friends of EG wrestlers to access a club for local young members Lower cost for small school Increased involvement will come with exposure and individual success Program can build on the success of larger school Once the 3-5 year time period is up the small school can assess if it has the makings of an individual program or request a 2nd waiver. Hey you can pick this apart but it will obtain each goal that you on the class wrestling side have stated. Thoughts? How would this help the overall participation numbers? I am curious how this would help get more kids out for the sport if they have to go way above and beyond what the other sports in the school have to do to participate. Also, how does having less varsity positions help get more kids out for the sport. Addition by subtraction is not the way to do it. Here is a general breakdown of costs of gasoline and someone to drive the bus. 1-Nov-09 Start date 2/15/2010 End Date 106 Days 30.28571429 subtract weekends 76 Total days 76 hours of driving(30 mins each way) 227 hours of driving plus hours at practice(2 per day) $1,817.14 Pay for a driver at $8 an hour 151 hours of driving for two trips per day, to drop off or pick up $1,211.43 Pay for a driver at $8 an hour 20 miles per trip one way 25 miles per gallon 1.6 Gallons per day 121 Gallons total $363.43 Total Cost at $3 a gallon $1,574.86 Total Cost $2,180.57 Total Cost It would be between $1500-2000 to pull this off and that is as much as some small school's coaching budget for wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 No one who goes to Anderson would ever feel cheated for anything. Cause AU is that AWESOME!!!!! So the tennis players don't feel cheated they don't play against IU and PU? How about the golf team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Umm seeing as Anderson would more than likely get hammered by any D1 program in every sport except maybe baseball, I think they are ok with it ;-) Anderson isn't really known for it's athletics. Oh wait our rugby club defeated the Notre Dame Rugby club a few years back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duck_and_run Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Stupid arguement. College is classed by talent. You may call me out and get technical, but when it boils down to it the best in the sport get picked up by D1 schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Stupid arguement. College is classed by talent. You may call me out and get technical, but when it boils down to it the best in the sport get picked up by D1 schools. I was being silly with my posts btw, but on a somewhat serious not, anderson is a D3 college, so not only are they smaller than many D1 colleges, they also are not allowed to offer "athletic scholarships." However, any other scholarship which might only be available to give to athletes but not called an "athletic scholarship" is allowed. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duck_and_run Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Oh not trying to call you out. I was calling out Y2 for the bogus D1 vs D2 talent arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Umm seeing as Anderson would more than likely get hammered by any D1 program in every sport except maybe baseball, I think they are ok with it ;-) Anderson isn't really known for it's athletics. Oh wait our rugby club defeated the Notre Dame Rugby club a few years back Why can't they compete? The tennis court is the same size in D3 and D1? The golf course is the same for D3 and D1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duck_and_run Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 They are recruited because of their talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 the best interview done in my life time ended up in a brawl.... Jim Rome vs Chriss Everett, I mean Jim Everett ;-) We definately agree on this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidersview Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 WOW this is still going on? Y2 you never answered my question from a long time ago or at least I dont think you did. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Ahh now you have stepped into a bad realm Y2, D3's really can not compete with D1's for 3 reasons 1) Athletic Scholarships are not legal ;-) 2) Practice and training time for D3's is limited much more than D1 3) Recruiting, most d3 colleges can not even compete with NAIA schools when it comes to recruiting athletes. Why? Because NAIA schools can offer scholarships, NCAA d3 is not "allowed" to. (BTW, number 3 was straight from the horses mouth of a D3 VB coach) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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