base Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 A question over on the Youth Wrestling board got me wondering -- seems like most of the wrestlers who win a state title as a freshman do so in the small weight classes, where there is typically not as many upperclassmen participating. What freshmen have won state titles above the smallest couple of weight classes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 A question over on the Youth Wrestling board got me wondering -- seems like most of the wrestlers who win a state title as a freshman do so in the small weight classes, where there is typically not as many upperclassmen participating. What freshmen have won state titles above the smallest couple of weight classes? Most freshman also tend to be lighter in weight in general. Making the odds of them participating in those weight classes more likely than the heavy ones. Most juniors and seniors seem to grow enough to make it hard to keep down in the light weight especially with the new weight managment plans. That's just the growth, maturity, and strenght training you get as you advance in high school wrestling at work. It should be said that some of those freshman were talented enough to win at other upperweights as well if they were that size instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 That's a good point that freshmen typically don't have as many kids competing at the upper weights. I'm not taking anything away from the freshmen either, I think it just illustrates how difficult it is to compete with kids that may be 3 years older and more physically mature. I went to the IHSAA website, according to their records there have only been a handful of freshman state champions, and indeed almost every one of them is at the lightest weight class. Keep in mind, though, that their records only consistently started tracking what grade the competitors were in after the 1981 season. [table]103 Al Lummio, East Chicago Washington 1942 120 Ray Webb, Bloomington University 1959 98 Lance Ellis, Indianapolis Cathedral 1986 100 Greg Schaefer, Evansville Mater Dei1995 103 John Sheets, Bellmont2000 119 Alex Tsirtsis, Griffith2001 130 Blake Maurer, Evansville Mater Dei2001 112 Angel Escobedo, Griffith2002 103 Eric Galka, Hobart2005 103 Josh Harper, Mishawaka2006 103 Ethan Raley, Indian Creek2008 [/table] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Are they true freshman by age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncientElder Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 IHSAA defined them as freshmen. 1924 175 1 9 Estell Ritter Bloomington 1927 100 1 9 Robert Schuler Wabash 1930 100 1 9 Willard Duffey Muncie Central 1939 095 1 9 Ralph Boruff Bloomington 1942 103 1 9 Al Lummio E. Chicago Washington 1944 120 1 9 Jack Benson Bloomington 1946 095 1 9 Richard Perkins Muncie Central 1949 095 1 9 Howard Fisher S. B. Central 1959 120 1 9 Ray Webb Bloomington University 1986 098 1 9 Lance Ellis Indy Cathedral 2000 103 1 9 John Sheets Bellmont 2001 119 1 9 Alex Tsirtsis Griffith 2001 130 1 9 Blake Maurer Evansville Mater Dei 2002 112 1 9 Angel Escobedo Griffith 2005 103 1 9 Eric Galka Hobart 2006 103 1 9 Josh Harper Mishawaka 2008 103 1 9 Ethan Raley Indian Creek TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Bring back the 95lbs weight class! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 Are they true freshman by age? huh? I think Freshman = 9th grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCards Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Are they true freshman by age? huh? I think Freshman = 9th grade For some reason Mr. Mustard is stuck on the fact that some kids get held back at some point in their lives, so they aren't "true" freshmen. If you think it's ridiculous and insulting, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 My point is age versus high school status of freshman, sophomore, junior and senior. I'm not downing anything. I'm new to wrestling and just was wondering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 I could see a debate re: a Senior that is maybe well beyond typical high school age, cause they would maybe have an advantage. But a freshman, even if they are older than typical, would still fall well within the normal range of a high school student. So, if they would win State, then they are definitely the best at that weight class in the given year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Well if you want to get technical, a lot of 16 year olds are much more physically and mentally mature than other 16 year olds. I never understand why someone's age compared to their grade is that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RStorey Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 There are people that hold there kids back in eigth grade to make them more physicaly mature which I dont think it is right but it could get them that state championship. I wish I had one more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoilerUp Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Well if you want to get technical, a lot of 16 year olds are much more physically and mentally mature than other 16 year olds. I never understand why someone's age compared to their grade is that important. So we should class the kids based on how much testosterone their body produces naturally at their age? ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchorwrestler Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 When I started my senior year, I was still 16 for a week. Now some are turning 19 before they graduate!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 So we should class the kids based on how much testosterone their body produces naturally at their age? ;D HEY!!! You're on to something, I like it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 There are people that hold there kids back in eigth grade to make them more physicaly mature which I dont think it is right but it could get them that state championship. Then I'm going to have to question the parents' priorities for their children, assuming this is happening. I wish I had one more year. Don't we all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 So we should class the kids based on how much testosterone their body produces naturally at their age? ;D State Champion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I was thinking more on the lines of this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naco228 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I was thinking more on the lines of this... im sure he could win state at 215 ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbarnett Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Bring back the 95lbs weight class! Could you still make it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoilerUp Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 So we should class the kids based on how much testosterone their body produces naturally at their age? ;D HEY!!! You're on to something, I like it!!! I still don't have hair on my back so maybe I have an extra year of eligibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boilermaker Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 So we should class the kids based on how much testosterone their body produces naturally at their age? ;D State Champion? That made me LOL. Wahoo for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBolt Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 My point is age versus high school status of freshman, sophomore, junior and senior. I'm not downing anything. I'm new to wrestling and just was wondering? Are you also new to the Grade Level system used in High Schools from Maine to California? Red Shirting is not really a possibility in High School... I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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