Greg Ratliff

I have a personal vendetta against Horn. He looked at me wrong once, so I vowed to never place him at #1.

Overall there are great rankings here. Krejsa, Bahl, and Leavell are all missing, though. I am not a huge Cathedral guy at all, but Hosia Smith beat Leighton Jones, which should put him higher than 8. At 132, I am concerned at how low Odin Fortune is ranked after his loss to Landen Horning. He still has a 15-6 Major Decision win over Hayden Demarco that should be noticed. Last thing, how is Ayden Bollinger over Layne Horn in the Fort Wayne rankings, but Horn is over Bollinger in the State rankings?

Norwell had two starters out, I believe...one for sure,  but that being said, it doesn't mean results change, and yeah, Oak HIll deserved in.  Oak Hill is always solid and will continue to be solid with the continuity in the program.  You'll be back! ... 2a was tough this year top to bottom, which I'm sure didn't make things easy on the rankers/seeders/vote in.
 
IMO it's really hard to seed 2a because of stereotypes, such as "They don't wrestle anybody."  Teams can only control their schedule to a certain extent, with conference by laws.  How do you compare a 20-0 team who has wrestled teams to be perceived as below average, compared to maybe a 15-4 team, who has wrestled a really tough schedule?  It's hard to do.  
 
We've been under seeded, and over seeded.  It happens.  It's a tough job, but I think you all do a great job and I'm happy we have this awesome tournament!  

Hey , I want to start by saying thank you to lots of people.
 
I attended the Franklin site last weekend. One of my former coaches was there working all weekend. He once said to me "I don't know how much so and so is getting paid to do this, but it's not enough"
 
I'll tell you that number was probably $0.
 
We have a lot of people that help with a data driven formula, seeding, a rules/ selection committee, selecting/ assigning officials, securing mats, setting up LOTS of things, trackwrestling setup, awards, and now streaming the whole thing. If ANY of these people aren't there helping, I don't know now this tournament continues. It is a huge undertaking.
 
I won't say that the experience is perfect. But we keep aiming to make it better.
 
The goal is to always keep this tournament centrally located. The tournament was setup to sort of bring teams (the best teams is the goal) from all geographical locations. The 1A problem becomes that there aren't many 1A options in the Indianapolis area. And not many 1A options that can field 6 wrestling mats. 
 
Someone on the IHSWCA has continuously asked me to drop 1 and 2 back down to 8 teams. I have not wanted to do that for lots of reasons we have discussed over the years. That in itself limits venues we can go to. Which is why we have done fieldhouses the last two years.
 
We have several people that want the tournament all at one location, but that has been difficult to accommodate.
 
We have several that want the tournament all 4 separate locations. That also raises issues as we spread ourselves too thin with helpers. There's only so many volunteers you can ask for.
 
I do like to read on ways we can improve. I don't think everyone understands the logistics. 
 
I think the faceoff needs to be done before the finals That would be incredible.
As far as the spotlight finals or one match finals. Also a great idea! Brownsburg reached out last year to ask if they could do that, but that meant that the finalists had a double bye. It comes back to asking officials, and workers to stay longer.
 
So there are ways to improve and I'm always interested in hearing how you think we can improve. But it's not always as easy as people think.

I know the idea of having both vote-in spots decided in December is being floated around and I like that. We do need some sort of system for schools to "apply" for being considered which would simply mean they are in the mix and are prepared to shift their schedule as needed.
 
I think the formula works well for what it is meant to do. It is far from perfect, but a great way to select most of the teams. It does seem like 3A is the most volatile in the recent years of "big misses" in the selection. The other classes have not had as many big time misses as it seems 3A has recently. Maybe there needs to be a tweak in the formula for them. Of the two last minute ones, Columbus East had a bunch of seniors last year which hurt their scores for the early selection and voting. The other big one was Floyd Central who had some pretty solid freshmen coming in that are difficult to account for.
 
No matter what, this is a great event and Greg "the wizard" and crew are always working to tweak it to make it even better. Thanks to all those that helped put on another great event.

Hey , I want to start by saying thank you to lots of people.
 
I attended the Franklin site last weekend. One of my former coaches was there working all weekend. He once said to me "I don't know how much so and so is getting paid to do this, but it's not enough"
 
I'll tell you that number was probably $0.
 
We have a lot of people that help with a data driven formula, seeding, a rules/ selection committee, selecting/ assigning officials, securing mats, setting up LOTS of things, trackwrestling setup, awards, and now streaming the whole thing. If ANY of these people aren't there helping, I don't know now this tournament continues. It is a huge undertaking.
 
I won't say that the experience is perfect. But we keep aiming to make it better.
 
The goal is to always keep this tournament centrally located. The tournament was setup to sort of bring teams (the best teams is the goal) from all geographical locations. The 1A problem becomes that there aren't many 1A options in the Indianapolis area. And not many 1A options that can field 6 wrestling mats. 
 
Someone on the IHSWCA has continuously asked me to drop 1 and 2 back down to 8 teams. I have not wanted to do that for lots of reasons we have discussed over the years. That in itself limits venues we can go to. Which is why we have done fieldhouses the last two years.
 
We have several people that want the tournament all at one location, but that has been difficult to accommodate.
 
We have several that want the tournament all 4 separate locations. That also raises issues as we spread ourselves too thin with helpers. There's only so many volunteers you can ask for.
 
I do like to read on ways we can improve. I don't think everyone understands the logistics. 
 
I think the faceoff needs to be done before the finals That would be incredible.
As far as the spotlight finals or one match finals. Also a great idea! Brownsburg reached out last year to ask if they could do that, but that meant that the finalists had a double bye. It comes back to asking officials, and workers to stay longer.
 
So there are ways to improve and I'm always interested in hearing how you think we can improve. But it's not always as easy as people think.

Hey , I want to start by saying thank you to lots of people.
 
I attended the Franklin site last weekend. One of my former coaches was there working all weekend. He once said to me "I don't know how much so and so is getting paid to do this, but it's not enough"
 
I'll tell you that number was probably $0.
 
We have a lot of people that help with a data driven formula, seeding, a rules/ selection committee, selecting/ assigning officials, securing mats, setting up LOTS of things, trackwrestling setup, awards, and now streaming the whole thing. If ANY of these people aren't there helping, I don't know now this tournament continues. It is a huge undertaking.
 
I won't say that the experience is perfect. But we keep aiming to make it better.
 
The goal is to always keep this tournament centrally located. The tournament was setup to sort of bring teams (the best teams is the goal) from all geographical locations. The 1A problem becomes that there aren't many 1A options in the Indianapolis area. And not many 1A options that can field 6 wrestling mats. 
 
Someone on the IHSWCA has continuously asked me to drop 1 and 2 back down to 8 teams. I have not wanted to do that for lots of reasons we have discussed over the years. That in itself limits venues we can go to. Which is why we have done fieldhouses the last two years.
 
We have several people that want the tournament all at one location, but that has been difficult to accommodate.
 
We have several that want the tournament all 4 separate locations. That also raises issues as we spread ourselves too thin with helpers. There's only so many volunteers you can ask for.
 
I do like to read on ways we can improve. I don't think everyone understands the logistics. 
 
I think the faceoff needs to be done before the finals That would be incredible.
As far as the spotlight finals or one match finals. Also a great idea! Brownsburg reached out last year to ask if they could do that, but that meant that the finalists had a double bye. It comes back to asking officials, and workers to stay longer.
 
So there are ways to improve and I'm always interested in hearing how you think we can improve. But it's not always as easy as people think.

Hey , I want to start by saying thank you to lots of people.
 
I attended the Franklin site last weekend. One of my former coaches was there working all weekend. He once said to me "I don't know how much so and so is getting paid to do this, but it's not enough"
 
I'll tell you that number was probably $0.
 
We have a lot of people that help with a data driven formula, seeding, a rules/ selection committee, selecting/ assigning officials, securing mats, setting up LOTS of things, trackwrestling setup, awards, and now streaming the whole thing. If ANY of these people aren't there helping, I don't know now this tournament continues. It is a huge undertaking.
 
I won't say that the experience is perfect. But we keep aiming to make it better.
 
The goal is to always keep this tournament centrally located. The tournament was setup to sort of bring teams (the best teams is the goal) from all geographical locations. The 1A problem becomes that there aren't many 1A options in the Indianapolis area. And not many 1A options that can field 6 wrestling mats. 
 
Someone on the IHSWCA has continuously asked me to drop 1 and 2 back down to 8 teams. I have not wanted to do that for lots of reasons we have discussed over the years. That in itself limits venues we can go to. Which is why we have done fieldhouses the last two years.
 
We have several people that want the tournament all at one location, but that has been difficult to accommodate.
 
We have several that want the tournament all 4 separate locations. That also raises issues as we spread ourselves too thin with helpers. There's only so many volunteers you can ask for.
 
I do like to read on ways we can improve. I don't think everyone understands the logistics. 
 
I think the faceoff needs to be done before the finals That would be incredible.
As far as the spotlight finals or one match finals. Also a great idea! Brownsburg reached out last year to ask if they could do that, but that meant that the finalists had a double bye. It comes back to asking officials, and workers to stay longer.
 
So there are ways to improve and I'm always interested in hearing how you think we can improve. But it's not always as easy as people think.

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5️⃣⬅️Roncalli 
 
Grow up, Peter Pan/Count Chocula.
 
If 8 over 1 upsets weren’t possible, we wouldn’t invite 8 teams. 
 
Congrats to Roncalli on a fifth place showing. I would have loved to have that, as they took it to us Brickies in the place match. 
 
 

Did we choke? Yea, we certainly could have been a lot better today, but I also think Terre Haute South was a heck of a lot better than an 8 seed and we were over seeded. We still didn’t wrestle up to our seed though. Look where they finished and look where we finished. Does seeding change brackets and where we finish, probably not with how we wrestled today. THS is tough and have a heck of a program. Their guys came to wrestle and beat us up first round, no doubt. 
 
We weren’t ready to wrestle and it showed, but that’s why this tournament is great for all these teams, it’s tough and shows many teams deserve the recognition of their hard work. You have an #8 seed knock off a #1 and a last minute voted in #4 Columbus East battle through and make it to the finals against a solid #2 Mishawaka. 
 
No excuses, we have to do better, if we want to win a team title.  Hats off to THS for knocking us off, Columbus East for showing they deserved to be there with the vote in with a runner up finish and to Mishawaka for taking home the title. 
 
The doors is open if you want to come help coach these guys up. I know I can always improve as a coach and could use some more knowledge. 
 
 

THS as a whole is an underrated team. They might not have the fire power, but their floor was impressively high across the line-up today. Much tougher than an 8 seed… CE was a great vote-in, battling to the finals. A few good/bad breaks going the other way could have changed A LOT of things today; but that’s why we wrestle the matches. Roncalli is still a great team with great coaches who will only get better after today. 

Well, I am not starting the year off on the right foot. An anonymous person sent me this picture of @Greg Ratliff.

He is staying at 195 unless he’s cutting an arm off! That boy is BIG. Him and Purdy are 2 SPECIMENS!!!

By JEREMY HINES
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The Owen Valley High School wrestling team has one main goal – to make the Class 2A Team state tournament. On Sunday the Patriots will find out if they get invited to the tourney.
 
“Last year getting to team state was our goal,” Patriot coach Steven Spicer said. “Nothing’s changed for this year. We have talked about it all offseason. The guys know what the goal is. They have bought in. If we get in, it will be huge for our program.”
 
Last season was the first time Owen Valley’s wrestling team was ever ranked in Class 2A. Spicer felt it would come down to a dual meet between the Patriots and Monrovia for the final spot in the team state field. In that dual meet Monrovia won by three points, and got in.

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We would have beat them if all our guys scored more points than their guys 😂

Congratulations to Delaney Ruhlman from Bloomington South for signing with Purdue. Projected to wrestle 174.
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At 47 I couldn't even tell Chertow no.

We’re at ~33. Which is amazing for us. 4 years ago we were at 7.

Well lots goes into it... but 1 location or 4 we're still going to have several upset it's not where they want it.
 
But we are commonly asked to centralize the tournaments. We've tried to do that often at several complexes, but can't do that without losing lots of money.
 
Team tournaments are very different than a tournament that are "pay per entrant". 
 
Fort Wayne was very cost efficient, but not centrally located. 
 
This set-up is different than last year and I think a better option.
 
Last year 1A and 2A were in one location; which is 24 teams, which was a 12 mat setup (8 in the fieldhouse and 4 in the gym).
 
This year 1A and 3A are together, which is 20 teams, which is a 10 mat setup (6 in the fieldhouse and 4 in the gym).
 
There are some ideas already being tossed out there next year to centrally locate it and try and have more classes together, but it's not an easy process.
 
I won't say we are exempt from mistakes, but we keep trying to improve and have a lot of people working on this tournament that just love the sport/ tournament.
 
Always welcome for constructive ideas to consider, but we are always working through several scenarios.

Not much more to say than what Coach Cook did. We are given a projected lineup with the accolades of each wrestler. The coaches also are able to add additional thoughts on their roster. 
 
We look at season results, but those are hard to judge by since every team loses wrestlers. We look at strength of sectional/ regional/ semi-state when weighing returning wrestlers.
 
I think the committee does a pretty good job given the circumstances. My team has been in the final vote and not chosen multiple times. I've had to tell coaching friends they didn't get chosen. It's not something we like to do. 
 
The people on here upset are upset their team wasn't picked. But the committee makes decisions based on the information they have received. 
 
What I'm not going to do is get on here and air out specifics by pitting one team against another.
 
The beauty of what has come out of COVID for Team State is we have now added an in-season vote for one additional team. Those that want to be chosen still, let your results next November/ December be convincing.

Well lots goes into it... but 1 location or 4 we're still going to have several upset it's not where they want it.
 
But we are commonly asked to centralize the tournaments. We've tried to do that often at several complexes, but can't do that without losing lots of money.
 
Team tournaments are very different than a tournament that are "pay per entrant". 
 
Fort Wayne was very cost efficient, but not centrally located. 
 
This set-up is different than last year and I think a better option.
 
Last year 1A and 2A were in one location; which is 24 teams, which was a 12 mat setup (8 in the fieldhouse and 4 in the gym).
 
This year 1A and 3A are together, which is 20 teams, which is a 10 mat setup (6 in the fieldhouse and 4 in the gym).
 
There are some ideas already being tossed out there next year to centrally locate it and try and have more classes together, but it's not an easy process.
 
I won't say we are exempt from mistakes, but we keep trying to improve and have a lot of people working on this tournament that just love the sport/ tournament.
 
Always welcome for constructive ideas to consider, but we are always working through several scenarios.

Not much more to say than what Coach Cook did. We are given a projected lineup with the accolades of each wrestler. The coaches also are able to add additional thoughts on their roster. 
 
We look at season results, but those are hard to judge by since every team loses wrestlers. We look at strength of sectional/ regional/ semi-state when weighing returning wrestlers.
 
I think the committee does a pretty good job given the circumstances. My team has been in the final vote and not chosen multiple times. I've had to tell coaching friends they didn't get chosen. It's not something we like to do. 
 
The people on here upset are upset their team wasn't picked. But the committee makes decisions based on the information they have received. 
 
What I'm not going to do is get on here and air out specifics by pitting one team against another.
 
The beauty of what has come out of COVID for Team State is we have now added an in-season vote for one additional team. Those that want to be chosen still, let your results next November/ December be convincing.

It’s not that it’s not possible. We’ve shown that the last few years we can spread out a little. 
 
The concern from people that I work with is asking for a “tournament director” for each site. Basically spreading ourselves too thin.
 
But that can also be solved by training someone ahead of time.
 
Also getting non-school provided supplies to 4 different locations provides a lot of coordinating. As well as setting up things like internet at 4 spots requires someone to go to multiple places. I know Pat Culp went multiple places last year to setup.
 
We have shown we have a great product and that we don’t need to do that all at one site. The introduction of streaming has really reduced a need for that.
 
Really the answer is I don’t want to spread thin the help that I have that makes this tournament great. But the last few years we have proved we can do more than we think. I just have not met with the people yet that would be involved in this decision.
 
Ratliff

The first round of invitations for the 2022-23 Team State have been sent out and each team accepted their invitations. It's going to be another great tournament!
 
There will be an invitation late April for 1 team each class and 1 in season vote determined the week before Christmas. 
 
The following teams that have accepted:
 

4A 3A 2A 1A Brownsburg East Central Bellmont Adams Central Center Grove Floyd Central Delta Bluffton Crown Point Hobart Garrett Cascade Evansville Mater Dei Mishawaka Hamilton Heights Cowan Indianapolis Cathedral New Haven Heritage Hills North Posey Penn Roncalli Jay County Prairie Heights     New Prairie Rochester Community     Norwell Southmont     Rensselaer Central Tell City     Western West Central