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What happened at Jay County is unforgivable. The IHSAA and Jay County administration will take alot of heat for this, and rightfully so. However, what about all the other teams that actually showed up? Should they get called out for this as well? According to another thread, Bellmont was the ONLY school that spoke out about not wrestling the regional. I believe that every school that showed up, should of packed up immediately, gone on the bus, and head home just to prove a point. Granted, it would've been a little inconvenient. However, I'd like to think that we can see the bigger picture here. As much as we want to beat everyone and be #1. We are a wrestling community, a family if you will. When one of us goes down, I think we have an obligation to back them up. Richmond is a good example as to how it should've been done. The Jay County teams had an opportunity to show that they're bigger than just winning or losing. However, they didn't take advantage of that opportunity, which I'm sad to see. I don't like pointing fingers, but I feel this is a case in which those teams need to hold some accountability as well. Just my 2 cents.
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I agree Y2. If you do the math, 309 teams (?) into 16 sectionals would be averaged out to 19.3125 teams per sectional. That would mean that there would be multiple sectionals with 20+ teams. That would be WAY too big. The most feasible way of cutting out a round would be to expand the State Finals to 32-man brackets. Once you do that, you would have the 32 sectionals (that we have right now). Top 4 go to semi-state, in which there would be 8 semi-states. Then the top 4 from semi-state would advance onto state. Yes, I've thought this out a little. But I do agree with the idea that something needs to be done with the regional round. Not sure what the word is, but something is lacking in my opinion. Maybe it's because of lack of diversity, considering half the guys from your sectional are there. While taking top 4 to semi-state is ok, you only have to win 1 match and you move on. I don't know, it's not very dramatic for me. Just my 2 cents.
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If the kid is out for Saturday, then it definitely changes how the incident will be perceived, not so much for tonight though in my mind.
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I guess we've finally found a drawback to advancing the top 4 from regionals, instead of just top 3...
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OH WAIT!!! Can I change my vote then??? :-\
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Alright, I'm a little late to the party but this is what I'm gathering from the Bobby Cox email... The coach received a cell phone call during the match in question. After receiving the cellphone call, this coach decided to injury default his wrestler. I have a few questions, maybe they've already been addressed. Did the cell phone call actually happen prior to the injury default? Did the wrestler use any injury time? Did he use all of his injury time? When the call came in, was the wrestler already using injury time? or was it until after the call that he started using injury time? If the wrestler wasn't using injury time yet, how long after the call did the wrestler start using injury time? In other words, what was the time period from the end of the call to the beginning of injury time? I'm just curious if any observer was there that could comment on this on here.
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This is where I think your logic is flawed. You assume that if you class wrestling, that more kids will be exposed. However, it has alot more to do with expanding the tournament that is getting more kids exposed, not classing per se. If we went to a 2-class system, that's double the state participants we have right now. Just expanding the tournament would have the same effect, as far as exposure is concerned. This is assuming that the IHSAA, with their infinite wisdom, decide to stay with the 16-man weight classes for state of course. On top of that, I don't care if we had 5 classes, college coaches aren't flocking to Indiana to scout out wrestlers. If you want to be recognized, you hit up the national tournaments and get your name out there. Even Y2's admitted to this. They're probably only a couple of state tournaments in the country that can hold any value to recruiters, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Even then, I'd assume that kids from those states still need some national events to add to their resumes. So kids, if you really want exposure. Start writing letters to colleges, hit up the national events, and make a name for yourself.
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I have a question to ask the class supporters. Granted, there are several classed states that are better than us. However, what about the 20-25 classed states that we're better than? Arizona, which uses a 5-class system, being one of. What's the excuse for those states being worse than littl ole' single-classed Indiana?
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Funny that the IHSAA can do this with a snap of a finger. But they're hell-bent on rejecting anything and everything that would revolve around adding a conso. round to semi-state after the "ticket round." Hmm...
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Team Regional Rankings (IGNORE-go to version 2.0 topic)
NickS replied to maligned's topic in Past Discussions
I don't think it's a drawback at all. If the top 3 teams are from the same sectional, then so be it. It'll give us all a pretty good picture at how tough some of these sectionals are. State rankings aren't done the way that you are suggesting. There's no reason to do regional rankings that way either, in my opinion. -
I think Andrew Howe, as a sophomore, is getting just a TAD too much love for this spot. I believe JT Young, as a senior, has the slight edge at this point in their careers. Young finished 3rd at senior nationals that year. In which I see Howe, at best, matching that. He had the offense that could match Howe and was a pretty tough mat wrestler. Keep in mind, this is looking at these guys at their said ages (Howe being a sophomore and Young as a senior). JFYI, the first time I saw Howe wrestle, which was his sophomore year. I remember thinking the last wrestler that was as smooth as him was JT Young. So I think it's kind of funny that these two guys are at the top of the list right now.
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How has the 5 (or is it 6?) class system worked for Arizona? Their about the same size as Indiana, maybe slightly bigger. How does their wrestling compare to ours?
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What about that MMA then? That's a pretty unique sport and appears to be very marketable and popular. If MMA can be successful, then there's no reason wrestling can't be either. We just need to find the right buttons to push.
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#1 maybe, but I think #2 puts the matches in the wrestlers hands more. It would be the equivalent of free throws in basketball. Sure, the ref calls the fouls, but the players still need to hit the free throws in order to capitalize on the fouls. Same thing with my stall rule #2. You can get the ref to call stalling on your opponent, but you'll still need to capitalize on the call in a "leg clinch." But I do agree that stalling needs to be addressed, and I actually do like the pushout rule in freestyle.
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Not so much an implementation, but a modification of the stall call. Here are a couple ideas I've got. 1) Eliminate the stall warning, and go straight to penalty points. 2) Instead of rewarding penalty points, put the wrestlers in a "leg clinch" type of position, or give the non-staller the option of which position to be in (top, bottom, or neutral).
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A situation that I despise with stalling is when the ref feels he needs to make a stall call to appease the fans, I guess. He'll make enough stall calls that'll close the scoring gap, but won't directly effect the outcome. So if Guy A is up 1 point, the ref will make 1 stall call. If Guy A is up 2 points, he'll make 2 stall calls. Most of the time, the stall calls happened with 10-15 seconds left, so there really isn't time for another call. That just makes me sick. Here's a situation that actually happened. Cashe was beating Harper at Al Smith going into the 3rd, I think he was winning by 2. Cashe was on bottom and defended very well, head up and never flattened out, from what I can remember. For the first 90 seconds, the ref did nothing. However, in the last 30 seconds, he felt compelled to bombard Cashe with 2 stall calls, when Cashe was doing exactly the same thing he was doing the first 90 seconds. The ref did just enough without really effecting the outcome. I hate that.
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Did Tsirtsis beat Kingsley at freshman nationals this year? I could've sworn Tsirtsis beating some kid fom Minnesota in the finals, but I could be mistaken.
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Is there a logical explanation as to why a wrestler should have 25% varsity participation? If a jv wrestler beats out someone at the end of the season, what harm would it do if he wrestles in the postseason ? I just don't get the IHSAA on this one.
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Keeping with the Quiroga theme. He ran through a buzzsaw at the beginning of the season. Beating Eppert, Wright, Tsirtsis, Porras (I think?), then Harper at Al Smith. Too bad it'll be overshadowed by that single loss at State.
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Don't worry, I wasn't singling you out or anything. I was just being a smart***. But some parents do get very emotional, for better or worse. I just would like for some to just sit back and realize that alot of these refs are volunteers. As long as they're doing a decent job, they shouldn't be getting ripped into it.
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I think coaches are better sources than what you think. Sometimes kids can't see the forest through the trees, believe me I was one. I see some kids today griping and complaining about weight cutting (at least what they call it) and I have to chuckle about it. At least we agree that things are better when it comes to weight loss today. This is what my biggest beef was that it was suggested that the weigh regulations have had zero impact. I'm not attributing it solely on the weight regulations, but I think it's had a significant impact. And you're right, there are still kids that are losing a ton of weight. I just don't think there are as many today. A foundation has been built with the weight programs. We just need to keep adding onto it because it's not close to perfect yet.
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It took my a few years to realize the proper way to talk to refs, I would say by the time he was a 2nd year schoolboy I started to figure it out. Good thing you have tough skin there Fabio. What, shouting expletives is not the proper way to talk to refs?
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How are kids going to know how to compare weight cutting of today vs. 15 years ago? It would be stupid to think these kids could give any good insight on what happened when they were babies, and compare it to what they do today. Besides, the original premise of your thread was that kids should cut to whatever weight they want. Wrestlers dying because of drastic weight cutting, just over a decade ago, shows that shouldn't be allowed.
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So kids just mysteriously got bigger since the implementation of weight regulations? Those #'s are pretty strong evidence to show that 103 has been affected. Therefore there has been an impact as a result of weight regulations. A big impact? I don't know about that, but an impact nonetheless. I don't need to talk to kids because I'm a coach and see it with my own eyes. What the kids do as far as weight cutting from my school is small compared to what it was 10-15 years ago.
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Here are some #'s I'd like for you to look at of Indiana state qualifiers at 103 for the past 11 years. I think the weight programs were first introduced in either '01 or '02. Take a look at how much the upper to lower classmen #'s changed since weight regulations were put into place. Are you going to say that it's just coincidence that they're less upper classmen state qualifiers for each year since '01? [table] '99 '00 '01 '02 '03 '04 '05 '06 '07 '08 '09 Upper Classmen 7 8 10 6 5 4 6 4 7 3 5 Lower Classmen 9 8 6 10 11 12 10 12 9 13 11 [/table] Something else to consider is that 103 has been around since the 1987-88 season. There have been 21 103 lb. state champions (in '95 there wasn't a 103 class). With 13 upper-classmen champs to 8 lower-classmen champs. Of those 8 lower-classmen, 5 have taken place since '05. So are lower-classmen all the sudden just that much better? I think not. This is strong evidence that upper-classmen are just unable to make the cut to 103 because of the weight regulations. On top of the fact that no one has died since the implementation of weight regulations. So something must be working with these programs, whether you want to admit it or not.