Wrestling Bill Walton

This topic is also  as fun as watching my best friends, the "Grateful Dead" while smoking some "Blue Dream".  I love it as much as NBA Groupie girls,  while sharing some edible "Gelato'.     So like l  always say: " You cant win championships by being normal, by just being average".   So "wrestling bill Walton, who  loves wrestling, but  was too tall:  dictates, salutes and exhortingly publishes his vote to the "poster with the moster", the :King of social media",  the  "meme-master" ,  the royal humongus of Indianamat.    The anti-average, most unnormal dude on in the Gorilla kingdom,  get's Wrestling Bill Walton's heavily weighted hyper influenced vote.   The envelope says  "Team Garcia".
 
Note this vote wasnt influenced by one iota from me attending multiple post concert  "Grateful Dead" parties, with my bestie and Team Garcia's great uncle Jerry Garcia, the greatest musician of all time.  I got some stories for you dudes, like the time I took Magic Johnson to the Hollywood Bowl.  But i digress.
 
 

This topic is also  as fun as watching my best friends, the "Grateful Dead" while smoking some "Blue Dream".  I love it as much as NBA Groupie girls,  while sharing some edible "Gelato'.     So like l  always say: " You cant win championships by being normal, by just being average".   So "wrestling bill Walton, who  loves wrestling, but  was too tall:  dictates, salutes and exhortingly publishes his vote to the "poster with the moster", the :King of social media",  the  "meme-master" ,  the royal humongus of Indianamat.    The anti-average, most unnormal dude on in the Gorilla kingdom,  get's Wrestling Bill Walton's heavily weighted hyper influenced vote.   The envelope says  "Team Garcia".
 
Note this vote wasnt influenced by one iota from me attending multiple post concert  "Grateful Dead" parties, with my bestie and Team Garcia's great uncle Jerry Garcia, the greatest musician of all time.  I got some stories for you dudes, like the time I took Magic Johnson to the Hollywood Bowl.  But i digress.
 
 

This situation in the Vanover match brings up a good question to the IHSAA.  Should the IHSAA pay its table workers at big events  instead of relying on  local  homer volunteers?  Its apparent that we just found a new way how table help can affect a match as it did in this case.   Again if you havent followed, the two EMD knuckleheads working the table started cheering on the  Flowreslting sttream after they convinced each other the ref didnt put up an escape.  With the ref confused,  its apparent how their monologue had a big affect on the match.   Also these dudes were heard on the Flocast calling the refs calls ***potty mouth*** when it went against EMD.   Dudes were also yelling and screaming when the calls got overturned in EMD favor.   Maybe the IHSAA should stop pocketing all the money and pay a little to some workers to create a more unbiased enviroment.

good point.  Lets think outside the box (of Indiana Borders)

Why on earth would you want to have the state finals in a fricking high school? 

You are right.  "Crowdedness"  used to be associated  with the Merrillville semi-state.  Now its Maligned sectional and regional rankings.

You can always count on  beating forfeit and bye.

Just making my call from what i saw on the video.  Video doesn't lie.   Ref minimally should have hit him for misconduct.  Sorry to get your panties in a ruffle.   With all due respect, I didnt mean to offend your sensitivities.

Yea lets get creative,  How about the YUM center in Louisville.   Great facility, and i bet we could draw in a few KY fans.

Audio is pretty good,  the ref clearly indicates  an escape in his signal.  The table is looking for clarification, and he goes back to table to indicate no takedown.  Which clearly designates an escape was earned.   The table help obviously was from EMD complaining and cussing on the call, then they cheered when Vanover won.     You can see one table guy talk the other guy out of the escape.  Then the ref comes to the table confused about no points scored, probably thinking he had already called an escape.     EMD should give an assist to these guys for the win.
 
 

Just making my call from what i saw on the video.  Video doesn't lie.   Ref minimally should have hit him for misconduct.  Sorry to get your panties in a ruffle.   With all due respect, I didnt mean to offend your sensitivities.

Another thing I'll say about listening to the audio...it sounded like one person at the table that was talking did not want there to be an escape. 

Just rewatched on Flo and this captured most of it. But the audio is important too. Ref gets confused as he is talking to the table help to clarify whether an escape was awarded - he said there was no takedown. Seems like he forgot that it was a reversal/escape scenario. 
 
Also sounded like the table help missed the 1 pt escape that that the ref signaled.  

Owen Valley coach: "You gave 2. Then you gave 1. Then you took both away " 

Why not have it at Lucas Oil Stadium?
It is being used for All-Star festivities.
 

I think this is where I disagree with your point is that you have the wrestler has to have separation.  Lets even forget about the temp separation mentioned which clearly would have been an escape.   If you look in the picture, Mills starts in the defensive position and puts himself in an advantage situation and definitely  establishes loss of control by Vanover.  Note that Vanover has no contact or grasp of Mills legs which is clear loss of seperation.  Per the rulebook, an escape is loss of control by offensive wrestler with both wrestlers having at least two supporting points in bounds.  The ref correctly didnt make the escape call at that point to let action continue to see if a reversal occurs.    But the escape should be earned.  So what probably happened Mills tries to get around for the reversal, and Mills grabs his leg to defend.   He almost gets the reversal at the buzzer, then the ref doesnt give credit of escape for the lost control because he still has his leg.   The ref should have called the escape if he felt a mills didnt gain control in regulation no matter if Vanover had a leg or not.  But with that said,  Ive seen officials make this mistake before and this is a good learning moment.  But its a sad time for a mistake like that to cost a kid a shot at state.

Yea,  but that sounds like a timing call from the official on securing the Merkel.   But it obvious Vanover lost control deeming an escape was earned.  Why wasnt the escape given if the reversal wasnt scored.  Minimally match should have been OT.

Stalling is always an enigma.  In my years of officiating, I'm always surprised how some coaches react to stalling even when its a warning and no points are awarded.   It drives some coaches nuts.  And i agree its partially due to the inconsistency of refs calling it.  I suppose the stalling calls equalize to the area of the state, based on the coaches reactions and consistency of officials and maybe emphasis put on in the associations meetings.   Ive hesitated before on calling stalling,  based on reactions of coaches.   Its kind of like a strike zone in baseball.   

Coach Brobst,  you bring up some good points on stalling and consistency.  I like you're data perspective of tracking stalling calls.   It brings up  a novel idea.  What if we had a statistic based on stalling calls per match.   Maybe Track wrestling could add this statistic, then we could track this data by tournament, region, season  and even by official.   Maybe we could evaluate officials better and get more consistency in the most inconsistent call in Inidiana wrestling.   I know it would be difficult, but seems possible to me.
 
 

Coach Brobst,  you bring up some good points on stalling and consistency.  I like you're data perspective of tracking stalling calls.   It brings up  a novel idea.  What if we had a statistic based on stalling calls per match.   Maybe Track wrestling could add this statistic, then we could track this data by tournament, region, season  and even by official.   Maybe we could evaluate officials better and get more consistency in the most inconsistent call in Inidiana wrestling.   I know it would be difficult, but seems possible to me.
 
 

Stalling is always an enigma.  In my years of officiating, I'm always surprised how some coaches react to stalling even when its a warning and no points are awarded.   It drives some coaches nuts.  And i agree its partially due to the inconsistency of refs calling it.  I suppose the stalling calls equalize to the area of the state, based on the coaches reactions and consistency of officials and maybe emphasis put on in the associations meetings.   Ive hesitated before on calling stalling,  based on reactions of coaches.   Its kind of like a strike zone in baseball.   

Coach Brobst,  you bring up some good points on stalling and consistency.  I like you're data perspective of tracking stalling calls.   It brings up  a novel idea.  What if we had a statistic based on stalling calls per match.   Maybe Track wrestling could add this statistic, then we could track this data by tournament, region, season  and even by official.   Maybe we could evaluate officials better and get more consistency in the most inconsistent call in Inidiana wrestling.   I know it would be difficult, but seems possible to me.
 
 

Clint,  I agree in the spirit of the rule, this is not a good interpretation.   But I respectfully disagree, that in a technical sense, its a correct interpretation of the IHSAA seeeding Critieria/rules by Faulkens and has precedence going back at least 6 years and is based on the  (http://www.ihsaa.net/seedingmeetingtutorial/story.html).  Its clearly expressed in seeding meeting tutorial.   Note this issue has been discussed in multiple years on Indianamat, and and a robust discussion in 2017 on the controversial interpretation and i believe that was the year Robert Faulkens showed up at the Lafayette Jeff sectional to enforce his technical interpretation.   From an application sense,  most sectionals have historically ignored this rule albeit intentionally or sometimes due to ignorance of the criteria.   Maybe you're right, if the criteria was not included in the winter bulletin, then that might supersede prior precedence.    Did the WB include any seeding criteria/rules this year? 

link wont load, but imagin if dey did dat wif football...agwee to dithagwee wif mr faulkins

IVe never seen better bomb bursting in midair type  wrestling than the Logansport regional.   Thats a show in a show.  Its like the fireworks show after the Grateful Dead concert in the hollywood bowl.   Theres a reason nobody wants to go through Logansport,  and its not because the state mental hospital is there.   Wrestling is almost as good as the Jay County regional.  Just my humble opinion.