4Dragons Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Did I miss something, or how did the brackets get posted before the Richmond Regional results are available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 clairvoyance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Dragons Posted February 8, 2010 Author Share Posted February 8, 2010 Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of the IHSAA not publishing the brackets until the Regionals are final, and also give the Richmond Regional contestants an advantage that the rest of the field wasn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 You would think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Well it is hoped that the coaches and wrestlers wrestle with integrity instead of worrying about the brackets. We will see if it actually happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth34 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Well it is hoped that the coaches and wrestlers wrestle with integrity instead of worrying about the brackets. We will see if it actually happens. That doesn't happen, that's the problem.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 I hope you are wrong. It is sad that a bunch of adults act in a way that the IHSAA has to change their policies mid-tournament because adults can't act like adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigginhurts Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 terrible move by the IHSAA. they should have released the other 3 then had a re-draw for the new castle semi state so everyone wouldn't know where the richmond wrestlers would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jag Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of the IHSAA not publishing the brackets until the Regionals are final, and also give the Richmond Regional contestants an advantage that the rest of the field wasn't? if that is true it is complete BS I would love to have seen this before our meet. It would have totally changed some things!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Pretty soon we will go back to where the champion only advances if people want to start throwing matches. I guess when winning is concerned, we can throw ethics and integrity out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jag Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Pretty soon we will go back to where the champion only advances if people want to start throwing matches. I guess when winning is concerned, we can throw ethics and integrity out the window. Whatever, but with the current system if I am wrestling in a 3rd place match and I know which champion it would put me against if I won, it would effect how I wrestled. If i had a choice of a guy I had beaten before of a guy I had never beaten it would make a difference. unfair advantage and they should redraw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Peck Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Although it surprised me that they let any of the pairings out I would have to say that it is not as big of a deal as it might be if it were some other Regional. Traditionally the best place to finish in the Richmond Regional if you want a chance at a positive draw is first. Guys from our Regional who place any where else and go on the qualify for State are not very plentiful. I can promise we (NC) will not be defaulting any matches to finish lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Whatever, but with the current system if I am wrestling in a 3rd place match and I know which champion it would put me against if I won, it would effect how I wrestled. If i had a choice of a guy I had beaten before of a guy I had never beaten it would make a difference. unfair advantage and they should redraw. That is the spirit, I love it when people throw matches to presumably get a better draw. That makes this sport so much more exciting and great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Peck Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 That is the spirit, I love it when people throw matches to presumably get a better draw. That makes this sport so much more exciting and great. If you are the third best guy at the Richmond Regional and you decided that throwing your conso match is going to give you a better draw (chance to qualify for State) and is therefore a great idea then I would suggest that you get out an buy a lottery ticket. Joe...I hope you do not ban me for promoting gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattgyver82 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Kinda like purposely letting your opponent escape just so you can take them down again and run up the points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jag Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 That is the spirit, I love it when people throw matches to presumably get a better draw. That makes this sport so much more exciting and great. I'm sorry it is just frustrating, for the second year in a row watching my son get a worse draw by finishing 3rd instead of forth. So your saying if you had the chance to go to state and you could wrestle McCarthy in the first round or Mullins in the ticket round, which would you choose? Would have been nice to have that option. That is just the one weight class I have really put some thought into but I'm sure it holds true across the board if people really put some thought into it. There is a reason they don't put these out before regionals and it should have remained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 At each weight, a given wrestler will face a qualifier from the same semi-state, no matter what he finishes. In other words, if you tank a 3rd place match, you're just putting yourself against the kid that beat the kid you wanted to avoid. The ONLY time this could ever possibly be beneficial is if there were an injury or a major upset that dropped a clearly tougher kid to a lower spot (i.e. Jake O'Brien in the early 90s being sick and forfeiting his semifinal and consolation matches after he'd qualified for state). This year, there is seemingly no situation like this that a Richmond qualifier could get draw against. I see absolutely no advantage anywhere to finishing 2nd instead of 1st or 4th instead of 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jag Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 At each weight, a given wrestler will face a qualifier from the same semi-state, no matter what he finishes. In other words, if you tank a 3rd place match, you're just putting yourself against the kid that beat the kid you wanted to avoid. The ONLY time this could ever possibly be beneficial is if there were an injury or a major upset that dropped a clearly tougher kid to a lower spot (i.e. Jake O'Brien in the early 90s being sick and forfeiting his semifinal and consolation matches after he'd qualified for state). This year, there is seemingly no situation like this that a Richmond qualifier could get draw against. I see absolutely no advantage anywhere to finishing 2nd instead of 1st or 4th instead of 3rd. You are wrong. If you just look at the regional champions and assume you will have to beat 1 of them to get out you might as well pick the lowest ranked kid as opposed to the #2 kid in the state. Example Gadient avenged a loss by pinning walker in the consulations and getting 3rd only to be rewarded with potentialy Mullins in the ticket round. Same thing happened last year. 4 place at 112 got a better draw than 3rd. So we watched kids he beat go on to state and place. So knowing the brackets in advance woul have made a difference. I'm sure it will for others as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 You are wrong. If you just look at the regional champions and assume you will have to beat 1 of them to get out you might as well pick the lowest ranked kid as opposed to the #2 kid in the state. Example Gadient avenged a loss by pinning walker in the consulations and getting 3rd only to be rewarded with potentialy Mullins in the ticket round. Same thing happened last year. 4 place at 112 got a better draw than 3rd. So we watched kids he beat go on to state and place. So knowing the brackets in advance woul have made a difference. I'm sure it will for others as well. Point taken. Still rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 I'm sorry it is just frustrating, for the second year in a row watching my son get a worse draw by finishing 3rd instead of forth. So your saying if you had the chance to go to state and you could wrestle McCarthy in the first round or Mullins in the ticket round, which would you choose? Would have been nice to have that option. That is just the one weight class I have really put some thought into but I'm sure it holds true across the board if people really put some thought into it. There is a reason they don't put these out before regionals and it should have remained. Knowing your draw beforehand and throwing a match to get a draw that is supposed to be better is unethical and compromises the integrity of the sport. On top of that if you want to start playing this game of throwing matches, at what point will everyone be trying to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Peck Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Knowing your draw beforehand and throwing a match to get a draw that is supposed to be better is unethical and compromises the integrity of the sport. On top of that if you want to start playing this game of throwing matches, at what point will everyone be trying to do it? I could envision the scenario now......we defaulted first...no we defaulted first....and so on. I just think most kids, who are competitors, want to win the match they are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 I could NEVER envision myself telling a kid to lose on purpose. All the work I have done to gain their trust would be out the window and they would question everything I did from then on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoISU Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 (i.e. Jake O'Brien in the early 90s being sick and forfeiting his semifinal and consolation matches after he'd qualified for state). Jake didn't wrestle in the early 90's. He graduated in 2003 I think. Somewhere around there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Wrestling Fanpage Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 I am very happy with our draw. I seen a couple very questionable. Alot of good kids will not make it. My upset pic would be Zac Wise to win Semis at 103 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jag Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 I could NEVER envision myself telling a kid to lose on purpose. All the work I have done to gain their trust would be out the window and they would question everything I did from then on out. I guess if everyone were as upstanding and as moral as you they would post the formula before regionals every year... Funny thing is they don't and they shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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