matfan Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 can someone explain why there are no wrestle backs or consolations at semi state? a good example is reviewing the 112 bracket in Evansville. IF there were wrestle backs (like at sectionals and regionals), it would better assure that the most qualified and talented wrestlers make it out of the bracket vs getting beat in the 2nd round and they are done by single elimination. it's a hard pill to swallow seeing Hall win Mooresville regionals 7-0 beating the winner of the 112 semi state finalist from E-ville. obviously all these wrestlers getting to semi state are very talented, but in my opinion, the brackets need to be changed at semi state to allow for wrestle backs because its obvious the top 4 wrestlers from the Evansville semi state at 112 are NOT the ones going on to state. thank you in advance for an explanation or suggestion for change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeMom Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 112 at New Castle was another good example. Roytek, Gadient and Stewart ALL are worthy of a spot at state. Had there been wrestle-backs - at least one of them would definitely have been there. I sure would have liked to have seen Stewart go through - being his Senior year and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUBjj171 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Yeah you talk about these wrestle backs and all but think about it. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE????? Semistate would have to be a two day event to accomodate full wrestlebacks. The first round at E-ville took about 3 hours. Ok so you set it up like regionals where first round is elimination. Then you are still going to have alot of wrestling. More mats needed to keep everything runnin smoothly. It's just so much to do. Also makes those first two rouds more exciting. Gotta get you ticket to Indy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeMom Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I know it would take forever - but it would be nice. Lord knows... I'd sit through 2 days of wrestling ANYTIME! I'd almost rather have fewer semi-state qualifiers coming in - and have wrestlebacks - to ensure that the most talented wrestlers get through to state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCard Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 No it would not be an all day event. You could have simply kept 3 coming from Regionals and added the matches after the ticket round. Losers drop down wrestle each other and semi-final losers cross bracketed to wrestle through for what would be the second part of the ticket round. This would make it as long as the semi-state was this past weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 After the increase in ticket revenue the IHSAA saw at semi-state, I doubt they will go back to 12 semi-state qualifiers. The coliseum was PACKED for the first two rounds last Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUBjj171 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Everybody messes up in a match. But that high in competion you can't. A talented wrestler can make it past those elemination rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkraus Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 215 is a good example...# 3 keigley and #2 cleveland were both in the laporte regional...cleveland wins the finals 7-3 ...at semi-state #3 keigley vs. #4 lentz in the ticket round...lentz wins 8-7 and then defeats cleveland in the semi state championship...my point is that no matter which way it went, either the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th ranked kid was not going to make it to state based on not having wrestle backs...unfortunately for Keigley he was the wrestler who did not advance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeMom Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 After the increase in ticket revenue the IHSAA saw at semi-state, I doubt they will go back to 12 semi-state qualifiers. The coliseum was PACKED for the first two rounds last Saturday. I agree. It was packed at New Castle, too. It was nice to have so much excitement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 It will happen eventually when some IHSAA officials son or daughter gets knocked out undeservingly at semi-state. I would spend 40 pages discussing this before I would think about Class Wrestling as a priority to make our state wrestling better. Especially since the IHSAA position is this is an individual sport. It Happens Every Year. Da! My sons wrestling in college now. Every Tournament is seeded and wrestled back. No single elimination. And yes one was a two day tournament and my son made it through the first day. That night at the hotel was just another un forgettable time spent talking to my son about his day on the mat and his chance at placing in the consolation round the next day. He deserved that moment and he got it because ??? .... of WRESTLE BACKS. Single elimination is just for Ducks. I Like a good hard fight and a more ligitamate placement. I know this is old stuff but what isn't?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Everybody messes up in a match. But that high in competion you can't. A talented wrestler can make it past those elemination rounds It is not a matter of messing up. Some time #1 and #2 are in the same regional and enter a semi-state against #3 or #4 Or #5. Since we rely on random draw #2 can meet #3 In the elimination round. The only round that should present this scenario is the one under the lights. My question to you would be would you like to face lets say an Andrew Howe in the elimination round if you had been a state runner-up the year before? ( The only reason I used Howe is because he was unbeatable). No inference here. Think about it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCards Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 It will happen eventually when some IHSAA officials son or daughter gets knocked out undeservingly at semi-state. I would spend 40 pages discussing this before I would think about Class Wrestling as a priority to make our state wrestling better. Especially since the IHSAA position is this is an individual sport. It Happens Every Year. Da! My sons wrestling in college now. Every Tournament is seeded and wrestled back. No single elimination. And yes one was a two day tournament and my son made it through the first day. That night at the hotel was just another un forgettable time spent talking to my son about his day on the mat and his chance at placing in the consolation round the next day. He deserved that moment and he got it because ??? .... of WRESTLE BACKS. Single elimination is just for Ducks. I Like a good hard fight and a more ligitamate placement. I know this is old stuff but what isn't?? This is by far the most intelligent post I have ever read on this forum. Why in the world we would argue for ages about class wrestling when wrestlebacks are what would truly make our state better is beyond me. WE NEED WRESTLEBACKS!!! And the 215 example earlier is why. Kids that have the talent to finish in the top 4 on the podium at Conceso that never get the chance because of the lack of wrestlebacks. I'll sit through another couple of hours at Semi-State if it's for the betterment of our sport and athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I just thought that the point of our state tournament was to find a "true" state champion. Should we really care about the qualifiers and 2nd-8th place finishers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 This is by far the most intelligent post I have ever read on this forum. Why in the world we would argue for ages about class wrestling when wrestlebacks are what would truly make our state better is beyond me. WE NEED WRESTLEBACKS!!! And the 215 example earlier is why. Kids that have the talent to finish in the top 4 on the podium at Conceso that never get the chance because of the lack of wrestlebacks. I'll sit through another couple of hours at Semi-State if it's for the betterment of our sport and athletes. Because nearly everyone agrees on wrestleback. Not so with class wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCards Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 This is by far the most intelligent post I have ever read on this forum. Why in the world we would argue for ages about class wrestling when wrestlebacks are what would truly make our state better is beyond me. WE NEED WRESTLEBACKS!!! And the 215 example earlier is why. Kids that have the talent to finish in the top 4 on the podium at Conceso that never get the chance because of the lack of wrestlebacks. I'll sit through another couple of hours at Semi-State if it's for the betterment of our sport and athletes. Because nearly everyone agrees on wrestleback. Not so with class wrestling. I hope that is indeed the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire77 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 i know everyone wants to watch all the wrestling but, if all the consolation and wrestle backs were held at another gym at the same school, more wrestlers could be taken and since the winners would be decided on the mat it would eliminate most of the luck issue of the draw. you watch your wrestler at the gym they are in. if you just a fan with no one in partticular to watch you can choose what to watch. i know more officals and volunteers would be needed. just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old82 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 the diffrence in winning and losing is the type of competition you wrestle, for example my son comes in at #4 seed with 11 losses goes against a #1 seed with 0 losses, and beats him ,now of those 11 losses 8 of those were to guys that are ranked in the top ten in state.I think that has a lot to do with being ready to wrestle at this calibur competition.you wrestle a weak schedule to pad up some victory's and get a high seed and then wonder why you cannot get past a certain regional or semistate.now some of these guys that continue to go year round makes it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 This is by far the most intelligent post I have ever read on this forum. Why in the world we would argue for ages about class wrestling when wrestlebacks are what would truly make our state better is beyond me. WE NEED WRESTLEBACKS!!! And the 215 example earlier is why. Kids that have the talent to finish in the top 4 on the podium at Conceso that never get the chance because of the lack of wrestlebacks. I'll sit through another couple of hours at Semi-State if it's for the betterment of our sport and athletes. Because nearly everyone agrees on wrestleback. Not so with class wrestling. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Let me get this right. We have a community of people. We will call This The Wrestling Community. The Majority by a wide margin believe wrestlebacks should be put into place and yet we are not doing it and instead are lobbying for Class Wrestling. Have we done a poll on this if so could someone please share it with me and while you are at it could you please wake up the IHSAA. What is the IHSAA a dictatorship. Every wrestling coach in the state should be screaming to stop this flawed procedure then we can talk about Team Class Wrestling. This should not be a money issue. It should a matter of better and right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 The IHSAA listens to proposals from the Indiana High School Coaches Association(IHSWCA), just as they do the same for the other sports and their coaches associations. Every two years the IHSWCA gets a chance to propose something to the IHSAA. This year happens to be a proposal year. In 2007, the proposal was shot down 0-12. In 2005, the score was 5-12 and in 2003, we were one vote from it at 7-7-2. The biggest obstacle the IHSWCA faces is that roughly 40% of the coaches are a part of the association. When the IHSAA hears this they are reluctant to accept a proposal since its basically coming from 40% of the coaches and not 100% of them. In order for us to get wrestle-backs we will need a lot more coaches to be a part of the IHSWCA. Here are the past three results of the votes... 2007 APPROVE THE WRESTLING COACHES PROPOSALS The Executive Committee took the following action in response to proposals presented by the Indiana High School Wrestling Coaches Association during the March meeting: Add wrestlebacks to the regional and semi-state levels of the current IHSAA State Wrestling Tournament Series. A motion to approve this proposal was made by John Williams; seconded by Nancy Alspaugh; motion defeated 0-15. 2005 APPROVE THE WRESTLING COACHES PROPOSALS The Executive Committee took the following action in response to proposals presented by the Indiana High School Wrestling Coaches Association during the March meeting: 1. The IHSWCA proposes the implementation of full wrestlebacks, from the quarterfinals, during the state tournament series at the Regional and Semi-State levels. After considerable discussion, a motion to approve the wrestlebacks from the quarterfinals at the wrestling regional and semi-state levels was made by Dennis Bunda; seconded by Phil Hoskins, motion failed 5-12, with Pam Noble, Paul Neidig, Dennis Bunda, Debb Stephens, and Janis Qualizza supporting the motion. 2003 WRESTLING COACHES PROPOSALS The Executive Committee took the following actions in response to proposals presented by the Indiana High School Wrestling Coaches Association during the March meeting: 1. The IHSWCA proposes using wrestlebacks to third place at the IHSAA Regional level of competition. After considerable discussion, John Williams made a motion to approve the proposal; seconded by Dennis Bunda; motion failed 7-7-2. 2. The IHSWCA proposes using wrestlebacks to third place, from quarterfinals, at the IHSAA Semi-State level of competition. A motion to approve this proposal was made by Pam Noble; seconded by John Williams; motion failed 7-7-2. 3. The IHSWCA proposes using wrestlebacks to third place, from quarterfinals, at the IHSAA State level of competition. A motion to approve the proposal was made by John Williams; seconded by Pam Noble; motion failed 4-11-1. 4. The IHSWCA proposes using an open roster for the team members to be weighed in for the Dual Team Competition. A motion to approve the proposal was made by John Williams; seconded by Patrick Mapes; motion failed 0-16. 5. The IHSWCA proposes that the IHSAA allow the IHSWCA to score, announce results, and recognize the top three teams of the IHSAA State Individual Meet as winners of the ?Myers/McDaniel Trophies?. A motion to approve the proposal was made by John Williams; seconded by Jim Feist; motion failed 0-16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Ask, beg, plead, cajole, bribe you schools coach to become a member of the coach's association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old82 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 well lets all find out who is on the committee and start bombarding emails or start lobbying to get these people to wake up and see how much more money they could be making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Joe Thank you for your quick and detailed response. It helps me as well as others understand the politics. By the numbers 40% would be roughly 128 coaches( Approx 325 H.S. Wrestling Programs) Looks like we may have some work to do. Can I get a list of active members. Who voted against it? 128 coaches may exceed the number of serious coaches and programs.Kids put too much in to this to be screwed by politics. I do not believe it is impossible. Just a lot of work. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 This is the list as of Jan 24, 2008 of the members of the IHSWCA. I counted around 135 schools represented. 1 JEFF McCULLOUGH ADAMS CENTRAL 2 TONY CURRIE ADAMS CENTRAL 3 DOUG SCHULTZ ADAMS CENTRAL 4 JACK GRIMALDI ALEXANDRIA 5 JULIO CISNEROS ANDREAN 6 BILL NICELY ASSOCIATE 7 ISRAEL BLEVINS AVON 8 ROBERT BROOKS AVON 9 ROY BRUCE BEDFORD NORTH LAWRENCE 10 RODNEY STEARNS BEDFORD NORTH LAWRENCE 11 SCOT DAWSON BEECH GROVE 12 STEVE NONTELL BEECH GROVE 13 PAUL GUNSETT BELLMONT 14 TIM MYERS BELLMONT 15 AARON MOSS BEN DAVIS 16 GENE WHITTEN BEN DAVIS 17 DAVE STEWART BEN DAVIS 18 TED BEARMAN BEN DAVIS 19 B.J. GARTERMAN BENTON CENTRAL 20 ROYCE DECKARD BLOOMINGTON SOUTH 21 MIKE RUNYON BLOOMINGTON SOUTH 22 DANNY IRWIN BLUFFTON 23 MATT BURKHALTER BLUFFTON 24 ANDY COLLINS BOONVILLE 25 DUSTY MARCHAND BOONVILLE 26 KEVIN SCOTT BOONVILLE 27 DUSTIN WILKE BOONVILLE 28 KEVIN STEWART BREBEUF 29 MARK BRUNER BROWN COUNTY 30 JASON CATELLIER BROWNSBURG 31 DEMETRICE BURTON BROWNSBURG 32 SCOTT MEYER BROWNSBURG 33 DANNY ROSEMAN BROWNSBURG 34 JIM SELVIO CARMEL 35 VEARL TURNPAUGH CARROLL 36 SAM RUFF CASCADE 37 JEFF SAYERS CASCADE 38 BOB HARMON CASTLE 39 MICHAEL BROWN CASTLE 40 DAVID REDWEIK CASTON 41 SEAN McGINLEY CATHEDRAL 42 CALE HOOVER CENTER GROVE 43 SCOTT HARDY CENTER GROVE 44 DERRICK THOMAS CENTER GROVE 45 DAN GANDOLF CENTER GROVE 46 CHUCK FLESHMAN CENTRAL NOBLE 47 CHRIS JOLL CHESTERTON 48 ED PENDOSKI CIA 49 ALLEN WEINZAPFEL CIA 50 JASON WARTHAN COLUMBUS NORTH 51 CHRIS ERVIN CRAWFORDSVILLE 52 DAN BEAUCHAMP CRAWFORDSVILLE 53 JOE CREAGER CRAWFORDSVILLE 54 JASON SURBER CRAWFORDSVILLE 55 ROGER TRIBBETT CRAWFORDSVILLE 55.5 CHAD HOLLENBAUGH CULVER 56 MIKE ATWOOD DELPHI 57 CRAIG SHAW DELPHI 58 MARVIN CAMPBELL DELTA 59 JASON DELOIS DOE CREEK MS 60 CHRIS YOUNG DOE CREEK MS 61 SCOTT SCHWARZ EAST CENTRAL 62 KEITH HOFFAR EAST NOBLE 63 CRAIG STANDISH EASTERN (GREENTOWN) 64 CHUCK BOWER ELKHART CENTRAL 65 REX LEAVITT ELWOOD 66 DARREN HAPPE EV. CENTRAL 67 MARK MASTISON EV. HARRISON 68 JEFF SCHAEFER EV. MEMORIAL 69 KENNY ZUBER EV. MEMORIAL 70 LARRY MATTINGLY EV. MEMORIAL 71 MATT HAPPE EV. MEMORIAL 72 SCOTT FERGUSON EV. REITZ 73 WARREN MILLER EV. REITZ 74 BRAD ANSLINGER EV. REITZ 75 CHAD COOK EV. REITZ 76 JAKE HARRELD FISHERS 77 RYAN HAAS FOREST PARK 78 DARIN THOMAS FOREST PARK 79 CHRIS SHOAF FOUNTAIN CENTRAL 80 LUCAS DEEL FOUNTAIN CENTRAL 81 CLARENCE WARTHAN FRANKFORT 82 CHRISTIAN PEREZ FRANKFORT 83 RICHARD SALLEE FRANKFORT 84 GARY FOX FRANKLIN CENTRAL 85 CHARLES HESSMAN FRANKLIN COM 86 MARK STEVENSON FRANKLIN COM 87 JOE HASSEMAN FRANKLIN COM 88 MATT KRULIK FRANKLIN COM 89 BOB HASSEMAN FRANKLIN COM 90 OTIS CRESS FRANKTON 91 RYAN MOHRMAN FW NORTHSIDE 92 DAN JOLEY FW NORTHSIDE 93 JOE CAPRINO GARRETT 94 LUKE FIELDEN GARRETT 95 JOHN BARNETT GIBSON SOUTHERN 96 JIM PICKARD GOSHEN 97 MATT McCOMISH GREENCASTLE 98 JOSH HOLDEN GREENFIELD-CENTRAL 99 ED HAMANT GREENFIELD-CENTRAL 100 PAUL HOLDEN GREENFIELD-CENTRAL 101 ADAM METZGER GREENSBURG 102 JESSE WALLACE GREENSBURG 103 DR. DENNIS GOLDBERG GREENSBURG 104 MARK HOWE GREENWOOD 105 TRAVIS WALLS GRIFFITH 106 RUSS RADTKE GRIFFITH 107 ED FOX HALL OF FAME COORDINATOR 108 GREG GASTINEAU HAMILTON S.E. 109 GREG ROBERTS HAMILTON S.E. 110 KEVIN KUBLI HAMILTON S.E. 111 SCOTT DUNWOODY HAMILTON S.E. 112 NICK PETROV HANOVER CENTRAL 113 SCOTT VAN DER AA HARRISON (LAFAYETTE) 114 BRIAN CAMPBELL HARRISON (LAFAYETTE) 115 MARTY VLAHOS HARRISON (LAFAYETTE) 116 MATT THOMPSON HERITAGE HILLS 117 MIKE KEMP HERITAGE HILLS 118 STEVE BALASH HOBART 119 RENE RODRIGUEZ HOBART 120 TOM SWAFFORD HOBART 121 JOHN CANTU HOBART 122 MIKE ELLIS HOBART 123 RANDY PURSLEY HOMESTEAD 124 PHIL ECKERT HUNTINGTON NORTH 125 KEVIN JOLAS HUNTINGTON NORTH 126 DARNELL BOOKER IN. BLIND SCHOOL 127 DANIEL MIDELL IND. BLIND SCHOOL 128 BILLY ADDISON IND. RANKINGS 129 CHRIS RALEY INDIAN CREEK 130 JOHN DENIEN INDIAN CREEK 131 KEITH GRANT INDIAN CREEK 132 RICK STENFTENAGEL JASPER 133 JAMES MYERS JAY COUNTY 134 DANNY STRUCK JEFFERSONVILLE 135 CHAD OGDEN JEFFERSONVILLE 136 ROBBY RHINEHART JEFFERSONVILLE 137 KACEY CARLTON JEFFERSONVILLE 138 ZACH HARPER JEFFERSONVILLE 139 T. HOWARD JONES JENNINGS COUNTY 140 MARK MATTERN JENNINGS COUNTY 141 TY OLDS JENNINGS COUNTY 142 MICHAEL REITMAN JENNINGS COUNTY 143 DAVID GRIDER JENNINGS COUNTY 144 KEVIN SMITH JENNINGS COUNTY 145 LEONARD COLLETT JENNINGS COUNTY 146 JEFF MORRISON JENNINGS COUNTY 147 MARK KERRN JIMTOWN 148 DAVID GASKILL JIMTOWN 149 BRIAN WINDBIGLER KNOX 150 ROB LEAVITT KOKOMO 151 TOM MILLER LAFAYETTE JEFF 152 TIM PRATT LAFAYETTE JEFF 153 LOUIS KUZDAS LaPORTE 154 MATT GRAHAM LaPORTE 155 BRIAN SCHROLL LaPORTE 156 MIKE BOTTORFF LaVILLE 157 SHAD ROBAKOWSKI LaVILLE 158 EDWARD DOWNS LaVILLE 159 CHAD RED LAWRENCE CENTRAL 160 JAYSON WEST LAWRENCE CENTRAL 161 JEREMY BANE LAWRENCE CENTRAL 162 JARED WILLIAMS LAWRENCE NORTH 163 MIKE WEIMER LAWRENCE NORTH 164 TONY TALLEY LAWRENCE NORTH 165 JEREMY GONDOL LAWRENCE NORTH 166 ERIC DOUGLAS LAWRENCE NORTH 167 BOB WILLHITE LEBANON 168 JOSH DOMMER LEO 169 DENNY KERN LEO 170 BOB FREIJE MACONAQUAH 171 DEREK PAGE MACONAQUAH 172 CURT BULLICK MACONAQUAH 173 JASON STEWART MANUAL 174 LEE LINDEN MARTINSVILLE 175 MARK CREAGER MARTINSVILLE 176 ROY ADAMS MILAN 177 DARRICK SNYDER MISHAWAKA - TM POLL 178 ZACH ERRETT MOORESVILLE 179 JERRY BRAWLEY MOORESVILLE 180 TODD GILPIN MT. VERNON 181 JIM BINKLEY NEW ALBANY 182 ERIC BURRES NEW ALBANY 183 WILL RAGLE NEW CASTLE 184 REX PECKINPAUGH NEW CASTLE - WEBMASTER 185 BARRY HUMBLE NEW HAVEN 186 JAMIE WINGLER NEW PALESTINE 187 STEVE HARDING NEW PALESTINE 188 DAVID WALDROUP NEW PALESTINE 189 STEVE ROSS NEW PALESTINE 190 LOU SILVERMAN NORTH CENTRAL 191 JOSH MOCEK NORTH CENTRAL 192 BOB TIPSWORD NORTH CENTRAL 193 RICHARD BYRER NORTH KNOX 194 J.D. MINCH NORTH MONTGOMERY 195 SAM RIESEN NORTH MONTGOMERY 196 BRETT CLARK NORTH MONTGOMERY 197 SHAWN HASLAM NORTH MONTGOMERY 198 BRUCE CUNNINGHAM NORTH NEWTON 199 ROB DETERS NORTH POSEY 200 SCOTT MILLER NORTHWESTERN 201 ROD LONE NORTHWOOD 202 JOHN HELLER NORWELL 203 STEVE HARP OFFICIAL 204 AARON HANNON PAOLI 205 JIM TONTE PERRY MERIDIAN 206 WES GIBSON PERRY MERIDIAN 207 SHAUN RICHARDSON PERRY MERIDIAN 208 PHIL GLASSER PERRY MERIDIAN 209 DAVE THORNTON PERRY MERIDIAN 210 MATT SCHOETTLE PERRY MERIDIAN 211 ZACH PIERSON PERRY MERIDIAN 212 DAVE WALPOLE PERRY MERIDIAN 213 DENVER ALEXANDER PERRY MERIDIAN 214 DAVE BURKS PERRY MERIDIAN 215 ANDY HOBBS PERU 216 JASON BROWN PERU 217 JASON GODWISE PERU 218 PAUL NICODEMUS PLAINFIELD 219 BOB READ PLYMOUTH 220 JOHN MILLS PLYMOUTH 221 RYAN RUST PLYMOUTH 222 EARL BOYER PLYMOUTH 223 PATRICK WILKINS PORTAGE 224 JIM MAGLIS PRINCETON 225 CLAY LEEK PRINCETON 226 SCOTT WALLIS PRINCETON 227 FRED LAMB RETIRED 228 GREG LAMB RETIRED 229 KEVIN BUCK RICHMOND 230 DAVE DeLONG RICHMOND 231 CLINT GARD ROCHESTER 232 JAMES SAMUELS ROCHESTER 233 DERRICK HOLLOWAY ROCHESTER 234 DERRICK WHITBECK ROCHESTER 235 SHAWN CONDEN ROCHESTER 236 JACK DAY RUSHVILLE 237 JERRY INGALLS RUSHVILLE 238 AL HARTMAN SB CLAY 239 BILL FLATT SB RILEY 240 MIKE SMORIN SB RILEY 241 TYSON SKINNER SCOTTSBURG 242 JOHN HORN SCOTTSBURG 243 WES HALL SHELBYVILLE 244 TOM PACKER SOUTH SPENCER 245 JAMIE WELLIEVER SOUTHMONT 246 KYLE BOOTS SOUTHMONT 247 DAVE DUNCAN SOUTHMONT 248 DARREN PETTY SOUTHPORT 249 CORY SHRUM SOUTHPORT 250 TODD WEAVER SOUTHPORT 251 DAVE SCHANK SOUTHRIDGE 252 TIM BRAZELTON TECUMSEH 253 JOEL GEORGES TECUMSEH 254 JOE LITHERLAND TELL CITY 255 MARK FRISZ TERRE HAUTE NORTH 256 JOHN DELISLE TERRE HAUTE NORTH 257 SCOTT SMITH TIPPECANOE VALLEY 258 CHAD NELSON TIPPECANOE VALLEY 259 BRETT SWIHART TRITON 260 SAM DAVIS TRITON 261 RANDY McPHERON TRITON CENTRAL 262 STEVE BEALMEAR TRI-WEST 263 KEN HOUSTON TWIN LAKES 264 DAN BRIGGS UNION COUNTY 265 MATT COLLINS VINCENNES LINCOLN 266 assistant coach VINCENNES LINCOLN 267 JUSTIN VAIL WABASH 268 JAKE O'NEILL WABASH 269 CARL AMERINE WABASH COLLEGE 270 BRIAN ANDERSON WABASH COLLEGE 271 MATT SCHROEDER WARREN CENTRAL 272 TONY WILLIS WARREN CENTRAL 273 ANDY ST. LAURENT WARREN CENTRAL 274 JONATHAN ANDERSON WARREN CENTRAL 275 DAVID NICHOLAS WARREN CENTRAL 276 MICHAEL CLEVENGER WARREN CENTRAL 277 ZACHARIAH YAZOLZIK WARREN CENTRAL 278 JASON ROTH WES-DEL 279 JAY KEELEY WES-DEL 280 JASON COOK WEST LAFAYETTE 281 ROBBY MORGAN WEST NOBLE 282 JOEL PIPPENGER WESTVIEW 283 DAVE THOMPSON WHITELAND 284 GENE WILLARD WHITELAND 285 MIKE HAND WHITELAND 286 JUSTIN HARMON WHITELAND 287 JOHN SCHILAWSKI WHITELAND 288 WAYNE HARMON WHITELAND 289 STEVE VAN DER AA WINAMAC 290 MAURICE KASTEN WINAMAC 291 BRANDON MOCK WINCHESTER 292 RON ANDERSON WINCHESTER - RET. 293 ANTHONY GIROD WOODLAN 294 DANNY COOPER YORKTOWN 295 TROY DULANEY YORKTOWN 296 TRENT McCORMICK YORKTOWN 297 JOE WILLMANN YORKTOWN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I just thought that the point of our state tournament was to find a "true" state champion. Should we really care about the qualifiers and 2nd-8th place finishers? You don't really mean that. You know my situation Joe. Are you saying a legitamate contender should be knock out at semi's. This is a whole other complex issue surrounding wt cutting and first match of the day vs last match of the day. Off The scale wt vs match time wt. Not to mention a little thing called momentum. Tell me you believe wrestle backs are a good and needed format.At the national level top 8 are All Americans which is quite an honor. At the state level it is called All State Honors also an accomplishment worth recognizing. Thanks for the List. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Oscar, As you know I can be kinda sarcastic at times and this is yet another one of those comments. I find a lot of what people say in the class wrestling threads can be translated pretty well to other areas of our sport. This is one great example, as to me it seems people are so concerned with the "true" champion that they really don't care about the other placements as long as we can have our "true" champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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