Bomber Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Glad you see it my way. No one would consider MD in any way typical or representative. Why don't you enlighten us about whats not typical or representative about 3A Mater Dei??? 1. ISTEP passing rate 20-25% above the state norm 2. 1% free, 1% reduced lunch. 3. 20% more students receiving honors diploma then state norm. Why don't you enlighten us about whats not typical or representative about 3A Mater Dei??? Graduation Rate: 99% Daily Attendance Rate: 98% Graduate Information: 4-year college-university: 81% 2-year college: 14% Military: less than 1% Job Entry: 4% Show me a public school with those numbers. With your statistics you are saying we need the following: PUBLIC Schools 1A 2A 3A 4A 5A PRIVATE Schools 1A 2A 3A 4A 5A SO NOW WE HAVE 10 STATE CHAMPIONS WALKING AROUND THE STATE OF INDIANA ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I think the point is that EMD is just not a typical representation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Many states already have recognized the inequities between public and private/parochial schools and have a separate class. I think 3 classes would be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 No, I think all private/parochial schools should move up one class or have a multiplier applied to their enrollment. Garrett, Rensellear(sp) and Mater Dei are all similar in size. The biggest difference is if Johnny Smith walks in the door at Garrett and RC and lives in the school district they must accept him into the school. At Mater Dei if he doesn't have $5K they do not have to accept him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scardy94 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 So we need more classes than Illinois? :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Just two would be fine with me, Illinois has 3 now:) 75% of the coaches voted for adding another class last year. I guess they just wanted to bolster their ego and coaching stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 So we need more classes than Illinois? :-\ Of course.....312 classes so all of our boys can get a medal ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scardy94 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I'll admit I like Indiana how it is, however, I also think we could benefit from class wrestling. It goes both ways for me. I also feel that 2 classes would be a great way to start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cewrestlingfan Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I'll admit I like Indiana how it is, however, I also think we could benefit from class wrestling. It goes both ways for me. I also feel that 2 classes would be a great way to start! Did I just see you switch sides? There ya go Y2 1 at a time....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I love the state finals and the atmosphere it provides. I'm not going to lie, its pretty cool to say you're one of the best 16 wrestlers in the state or top four or whatever. I just think class wrestling would help the state by increasing participation and the fan base at the small school level where teams seem to be struggling more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scardy94 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I believe I said I like it how it is. I also said I see benifits of having class wrestling. Then I stated that IF we go to class I would only like to see 2 classes. Whether anyone admits it or not there are benefits to class wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleGiant91 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I agree with Y2, there is something to be said for being the ONLY state champ at your weight, but overall, I too have come to believe that class wrestling would be great for the sport. I have had coaches who heard them speak at clinics say that in the last 5 years both Dan Gable and John Smith have basically said that we (Indiana) are missing the boat by not having multiple classes. The overall depth and quality of wrestling would get better over the long run. It doesn't seem to have hurt PA, OH, IA, IL, or MI at all. From what I have read, wrestling is more popular in those states than in Indiana and even though we have been turning out some great ones lately, those states all produce more top level college wrestlers than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber Wrestling Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Here are my thought and comments on the class wrestling issue. Let's take a look back over the entire history of the sport to the late 1960's. I have examined and written down all the guys who were involved as wrestlers for RCHS. A high majority of these guys are the leaders not only in our community, but in several other places throughout the country. We have an amazing alumni organization whom keeps these records. What does that mean in regards to wrestling you ask???? The mental development, attitude and fortitude which is developed within this sport and the challenges each wrestler over came to be outstanding, are lessons which every wrestler remembers for a lifetime. The desire to be the best, maybe in a local area or regional area, but I have always felt I wanted to be the best in my state where I work and operate. I big picture is that this sport gave me the tools to compete on a much larger scale and a larger playing field. I want these young wrestlers to be able to compete in the large arena. Our world, nor customers doesn't care what class you came from, what the demand from you will always be is "an outstanding performance!" "Teach your wrestlers how to compete in a larger environment and they will always be outstanding in their lives!" We need tough love and that means to me I think class wrestling is not necessary. I think these wrestlers would be proud to say they competed and were successful in the State and not in their particular class! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 So does RC not celebrate that sectional football championship from 2003 since it was in 2A right? How are the lessons not learned in a class environment? Are you saying kids in a class wrestling state don't learn those same lessons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber Wrestling Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Football is a total team sport where an athlete learns how to interact on many different levels. It creates deversified thinking as does any other sport which requires cooperation from many players to be successful. The classroom environment teachs principles and theory. To have knowledge from the classroom is not the key to success! How one applies this knowledge and uses the knowledge in ones daily life is the key to success! As far as class wrestling, my belief would be that the standard for success would be lowered. That lower standard is not comfortable to accept! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWHC 145 Champ Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Nicely Put Bomber Wrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogleg Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 So does RC not celebrate that sectional football championship from 2003 since it was in 2A right? It does say class 2A sectional champs on the shirts, trophy and the patches on the letter jackets.. By they way, there have been a few others since the '03 season. Just can't seem to get over the hump of regionals just yet. Jimtown keeps getting in the way. Class wrestling for team tournament or not, I pray the state does not mess with the individual tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Football is a total team sport where an athlete learns how to interact on many different levels. It creates deversified thinking as does any other sport which requires cooperation from many players to be successful. The classroom environment teachs principles and theory. To have knowledge from the classroom is not the key to success! How one applies this knowledge and uses the knowledge in ones daily life is the key to success! As far as class wrestling, my belief would be that the standard for success would be lowered. That lower standard is not comfortable to accept! So I take it you don't like adding 224 kids to the semi-state level either, right? The standard to be a semi-state qualifier has now been lowered. Indiana allows the least percentage of state qualifiers in the nation, our standard is the highest, yet as a state in wrestling we are still mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad hungarian Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 basketball has slowly been dying, which is attributed to the class system. i personally don't believe that would be the case in wrestling. and I hope the powers that be would not let basketball's downfall weigh to heavily on a decision in wrestling should that come about. small schools would definitely benefit the most; and since the majority of the schools in Indiana are of the smaller variety it seems to make sense to me. ;D wrestling needs to make it's move NOW! :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Can you explain how basketball is dying? I know the state finals are thriving in that they sell out both sessions the past two or three years and get a higher attendance than single class wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allritecoach Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Anybody know who isn't wrestling at 130 from the Logan Regional? We got the call today that our 130 is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogleg Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Can you explain how basketball is dying? I know the state finals are thriving in that they sell out both sessions the past two or three years and get a higher attendance than single class wrestling. Are you comparing the attendence for the team finals or the individual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Both, I know they can fit more into Conseco than they can at Center Grove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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