MOWrestler

1 hour ago, Jeff Longere said:

I don’t think the current system should be changed bc a few coaches are not in favor of the current system. 

 

I believe the current system brings the cream of the crop to the top. Handle the pressure, you move on. And yes, I see the value of seeing what a kid is made up of by coming back through the Cons bracket.....isn’t that what ISWA for? 

Might want to check out Navy80's post on the Evansville SS.  Maybe he's just another lone wolf coach looking for wrestle backs.  But probably NOT.

Navy80-"This semi state can be summed up with one sentence... IHSAA NEEDS TO ADD WRESTLE-BACKS AT SEMI STATE!! We could see a state champion lose to another state champion in the ticket round. Doesn't get any crazier than that! "

3 minutes ago, aoberlin said:

So really it comes down to the easiest path forward with the most amount of revenue.

Frankly, I'm not sure what it comes down to.

I guess I just think the system (whatever its objective) should be logically consistent.  You want a system that picks a STATE CHAMP and doesn't truly rank the other wrestlers, fine.  Win or go home all the way from sectionals to the state finals.

You want a system that places the top 8, at least have wrestlebacks.  This system is not perfect either, but it allows a kid who loses to someone who will place higher to still compete for a lower place.  I'm just saying get rid of the 'death-draw' at SS and the one and done Friday night @ State.

When I wrestled (a long time ago) in the MO State Tournament they had a system where you "followed" a kid who beat you.  If he kept winning and you beat the other kids he beat, you kept moving.  I frankly don't recall exactly how it worked because I did not end up being the state champ, or even the first loser (affectionately called 2nd or runner-up by some).  I'm sure my interest in wrestlebacks is actually because I was such a loser that I want other loser to have a chance to wrestle.

3 minutes ago, MOWrestler said:

At State if you lose you should be done in any round.

In fact, only sectional champions should move on, only regional champs and only SS champs.  Lose and go home...right?

I mean, can you imagine the massive crowds flooding into Bankers life to see those 4 SS champs battle it out in the two epic rounds of wrestling.  It would be amazing!!!!

1 hour ago, Cosgrove said:

I mean the best wrestler always loses and the state champ is usually some SISSY boy hahahaha

I agree that the system in IN puts the STATE CHAMP on top of the podium.  In that sense wrestle-backs are pointless.

However, without wrestle-backs it is absurd to actually 'place' and subsequently 'medal' the top 8 at the State Tournament.  Based on our system the podium should have ONE spot-CHAMPION and that's it.  At State if you lose you should be done in any round.

In fact, only sectional champions should move on, only regional champs and only SS champs.  Lose and go home...right?

9 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

1st without wrestlebacks, it makes it easier to medal in.

I understand your point about some tough guys getting knocked out and unable to come back through.

I don't know if "tougher" or "less tough" gets at the heart of the issue.  The issue is placing has more to do with your draw (especially at SS and State) because of no wrestlebacks.  At Regionals this is somewhat less dramatic, but still has an effect.

When 2 guys who could both medal draw each other at SS in the ticket round, one goes home (hard for him to medal from there).

3 minutes ago, ontherise219 said:

My house supports Indianamat. I support the purchase of any product they produce. I will be disappointed if this singlet isn’t under the lights. But I am sure it is totally illegal 

I agree it is totally illegal (even if there is a school with the those colors) to say the school "issued it" would be a stretch.  I have no idea who wore it, but as far as I am concerned if you are going to wear something like that the you'd better be under the lights and you'd better dominate.

While I understand your support of My House, not sure I'd like to see this one: https://www.myhousesportsgear.com/wrestling/men/men-singlets/myhouse-you-wanna-pizza-me-singlet.html

7 hours ago, dwise said:

What about the ones that look like practice gear that Zionsville wears?

I think you missed another posting... search New Uniforms or Fight short/shirt and you will find a wealth of information on the topic

1 hour ago, Geremia.brooks said:

#2 Bryant over #13 brooks decision 8-5

Props to Brooks.  He brought it today.  Definitely closer than their first match-up! Brooks is on the rise and will be dangerous the next few weeks.

Sorry for misspelling Pokorney (but per the rules I cannot edit this)

106-Moran

113- Lowery

120- Triana

126- Rooks

132- Rooks

138- Melloh

145- McIntosh

152- Lee (think we should have to pick for 2nd here as a tie-breaker: Washington)

160- Mappes

170- Fattore

182- Walton

195- Davison

220- Parris

285- Pokorey

Maybe the Jennings County Sectional should be thrown in this mix...

Wanted to share a fellow wrestler's instagram post.  Prayers for Michael!

3 minutes ago, boomer said:

So returning medalist(Rasler) has no chance?

I assume you don't mean a dual of Westview v. Avon.  You mean the best kid in each sectional.

Still, of the weights you listed 145, 195, 220 Rasler is the only one I could see winning (others are less than a 20% chance).

1 minute ago, boomer said:

Just a quick look and there are at least 2-3 westview kids that would win over Avon and several others that would be very good matches. Considering it is made up of small schools with teacher coaches and no top notch acadamys in the area there top kids are pretty good.

weights?

1 minute ago, sslaymon said:

Hard to get a good seat, unless you and 4 friends have 300 coats to have one saved for you.

I think they would do well to sell reserved seating, just like many other events.  You could have general admission for the seats on the upper levels, but (like suites) sell tickets or blocks of tickets for the lower level.  Then no more coats and seat saving...

3 minutes ago, V and M's Dad said:

8 minutes ago, grappleapple said:

 

What are your thoughts on how Tsirtsis wrestles in College? His goal is 2-1 or 1-0. Is that like taking Nyquill? 

Hey, let's not get on T-shirts.  He's an IN guy.  Plus I generally think it is a bad idea to put down Da Region.  Hope you're not headed to ECSS

How about we use Dean Heil as an example instead.

1 hour ago, Washedup141 said:

Yeah I had my name on waiting list. Just got the call today that they are sold out. Guy said they sell more suites for wrestling than they do for the pacer games. 

This does not seem that surprising to me Basketball is very boring.

2 hours ago, V and M's Dad said:

 

The "Fat and Long Wrestling Academy" owned and operated by Thornton Melon.      Where we teach not only the Slap and Grab but also the "Triple Lindy"

 

 

 

Is this also a legal uniform under the new rules?

2 minutes ago, Y21AB said:

I mean that the Westview sectional would win every weight against the Avon Sectional!

I presume I failed to communicate sarcasm in my previous translation.  Or I looked at the wrong brackets...

11 minutes ago, Y21AB said:

Im I the only one who thinks that the Avon sectional has would get blanked against the Westview Sectional? Come on were all thinking it!

Attempt at translation:

Am I the only one who thinks that the Avon sectional would get blanked against the Westview Sectional?

Still not sure what exactly you mean by 'blanked'??? Also, I presume you mean these two sectionals in the reverse order you mentioned them.

12 minutes ago, Fabio Jr. said:

So is the goal to eliminate weight cutting? I'm confused now cause no matter the classes kids will cut even for matsode weighins kids will cut

I don't think he (rookies03) meant that.  I think he just meant it might be a mis-match when a kid who naturally weighs 95 lbs faces a kid who cut to 106.

I am curious about your opinion of matside weigh-ins.  I do think this would have a dramatic effect on weight management practices.  Not saying if we should or sould not do it, but I think it would represent a significant change (which the current system has not).

Honestly did not see this nuanced level of response coming....

Based on tigroscr's initial question I thought Matt pretty much explained it.

11 minutes ago, Rookies03 said:

I don't think eliminating weight classes is the right answer but I would like to see bigger weight classes for Varsity and smaller for freshman and JV.  Example...

 

Freshman (current wt classes - 7 lbs) - 99, 106, 113, 119, 125, 131, 138, 145, 153, 163, 175, 188, 213, 277

JV (current wt classes) 106, 113, 120, 126, 132, 138, 145, 152, 160, 170, 182, 195, 220, 285

Varsity (current wt classes +7 lbs) - 113, 120, 127, 132, 139, 145, 152, 159, 167, 177, 189, 202, 227, 292

We'd need a huge increase in numbers to support this.

4 minutes ago, Thor said:

I think most one seeds win here, I'm thinking only 2 or 3 non 1 seeds win

Subsequently, this does not make for a very exciting discussion

On 1/23/2018 at 2:02 PM, Wrestling Shoe said:

Then there are sectionals where only the first seed has a winning record and everyone else in the sectional at that weight doesn't. Not naming any sectional or weight, but this is from one of the sectionals this year. They're in order of seed. Kind of ridiculous if you ask me

1.) 27-5

2.) 8-14

3.) 10-17

4.) 10-18

5.) 4-20

6.) 9-14

7.) Forfeit

8.) Forfeit

10.) Forfeit

I'm guessing Westview