AlaskanMountie

Yep, he took injury time in his match with my son when he was in jeopardy of getting turned and he clearly wasn't injured. It shouldn't be allowed to happen. And before anyone says "It's good strategy" - it's not. It's lying. My kid may have lost the match, but at least he did it on his feet with his integrity intact. 

Brownsburg had a wrestler take injury time every single match this weekend. He would signal injury time and then converse with coaches and get a drink. After 45 seconds of he was good to go again.

Watching this Iowa vs Wisc dual and Rathjen takes injury time as he’s getting taken down.  Official gives the injury time, Rathjen continues after a short break and doesn’t give the 3 pt td.
 
Reminds me of one of my biggest issues watching wrestling this weekend.  Coaches allowing their kids to take a time out when the going gets tough.  Weak.  One of the countless things that separates wrestling from the stupid sports like basketball, no timeouts when it’s getting real, you have to deal with it.  
 
Dissapointing the programs that are ok with taking a breather for that mental break when adversity has set in.

CP absolutely lost the team title this weekend. Clark wins Friday night, they win the title. If any of their placers win matches against guys they already beat, they win the team title. They had a number of ways to still win the team title but they faltered at almost every turn. Hats off to CG & BB but to pretend like CP didn’t underperform this title away is sticking your head in the sand. 
 
As for the, “your program would take 9 medals, 12 qualifiers, etc.”, that is comparing apples to oranges. CP’s program and its resources, recruiting included, eliminates 99% of wrestling programs from having that type of success so to think otherwise is ridiculous. 
 
I’m glad to hear you won’t be banning DawgPoundRed or whatever he goes by. The guy hasn’t said anything to warrant banishment especially on a discussion board. 

Well…except BB and CP that is 😂😂

CP absolutely lost the team title this weekend. Clark wins Friday night, they win the title. If any of their placers win matches against guys they already beat, they win the team title. They had a number of ways to still win the team title but they faltered at almost every turn. Hats off to CG & BB but to pretend like CP didn’t underperform this title away is sticking your head in the sand. 
 
As for the, “your program would take 9 medals, 12 qualifiers, etc.”, that is comparing apples to oranges. CP’s program and its resources, recruiting included, eliminates 99% of wrestling programs from having that type of success so to think otherwise is ridiculous. 
 
I’m glad to hear you won’t be banning DawgPoundRed or whatever he goes by. The guy hasn’t said anything to warrant banishment especially on a discussion board. 

I’m really surprised at how poorly CP performed this weekend. It’s a shame they couldn’t get it done this weekend after such a dominating season. Kudos to BB & CG for outwrestling CP and earning the top 2 spots. I don’t think anyone would have guessed CP was going to leave Evansville without a ring. I guess that’s why you wrestle the matches. 

CP absolutely lost the team title this weekend. Clark wins Friday night, they win the title. If any of their placers win matches against guys they already beat, they win the team title. They had a number of ways to still win the team title but they faltered at almost every turn. Hats off to CG & BB but to pretend like CP didn’t underperform this title away is sticking your head in the sand. 
 
As for the, “your program would take 9 medals, 12 qualifiers, etc.”, that is comparing apples to oranges. CP’s program and its resources, recruiting included, eliminates 99% of wrestling programs from having that type of success so to think otherwise is ridiculous. 
 
I’m glad to hear you won’t be banning DawgPoundRed or whatever he goes by. The guy hasn’t said anything to warrant banishment especially on a discussion board. 

Dawg didn't doing anything other than be a zealous fan illuminating the shine on a prize pony.  Not his fault things didn't work out.

CP absolutely lost the team title this weekend. Clark wins Friday night, they win the title. If any of their placers win matches against guys they already beat, they win the team title. They had a number of ways to still win the team title but they faltered at almost every turn. Hats off to CG & BB but to pretend like CP didn’t underperform this title away is sticking your head in the sand. 
 
As for the, “your program would take 9 medals, 12 qualifiers, etc.”, that is comparing apples to oranges. CP’s program and its resources, recruiting included, eliminates 99% of wrestling programs from having that type of success so to think otherwise is ridiculous. 
 
I’m glad to hear you won’t be banning DawgPoundRed or whatever he goes by. The guy hasn’t said anything to warrant banishment especially on a discussion board. 

CP absolutely lost the team title this weekend. Clark wins Friday night, they win the title. If any of their placers win matches against guys they already beat, they win the team title. They had a number of ways to still win the team title but they faltered at almost every turn. Hats off to CG & BB but to pretend like CP didn’t underperform this title away is sticking your head in the sand. 
 
As for the, “your program would take 9 medals, 12 qualifiers, etc.”, that is comparing apples to oranges. CP’s program and its resources, recruiting included, eliminates 99% of wrestling programs from having that type of success so to think otherwise is ridiculous. 
 
I’m glad to hear you won’t be banning DawgPoundRed or whatever he goes by. The guy hasn’t said anything to warrant banishment especially on a discussion board. 

CP absolutely lost the team title this weekend. Clark wins Friday night, they win the title. If any of their placers win matches against guys they already beat, they win the team title. They had a number of ways to still win the team title but they faltered at almost every turn. Hats off to CG & BB but to pretend like CP didn’t underperform this title away is sticking your head in the sand. 
 
As for the, “your program would take 9 medals, 12 qualifiers, etc.”, that is comparing apples to oranges. CP’s program and its resources, recruiting included, eliminates 99% of wrestling programs from having that type of success so to think otherwise is ridiculous. 
 
I’m glad to hear you won’t be banning DawgPoundRed or whatever he goes by. The guy hasn’t said anything to warrant banishment especially on a discussion board. 

Nailed it. 
 
Also, parity is good for the sport. We don't need any teams winning 3-4 in a row. If BBurg rattles off a couple (very possible) we'll be back to rooting for CP like we were rooting for BBurgg this year, and 2021 Mater Dei to end the Cathedral run.
 
Now is it really parity if we are just rotating between CP, Bburg, and CG?? Not really. But it is better than one team just completely dominating a decade. 
 
These 3 will always be relevant. I don't see that changing. Coaching staffs are too good. However, I am curious to see how long they can sustain THIS level of greatness. 

CP absolutely lost the team title this weekend. Clark wins Friday night, they win the title. If any of their placers win matches against guys they already beat, they win the team title. They had a number of ways to still win the team title but they faltered at almost every turn. Hats off to CG & BB but to pretend like CP didn’t underperform this title away is sticking your head in the sand. 
 
As for the, “your program would take 9 medals, 12 qualifiers, etc.”, that is comparing apples to oranges. CP’s program and its resources, recruiting included, eliminates 99% of wrestling programs from having that type of success so to think otherwise is ridiculous. 
 
I’m glad to hear you won’t be banning DawgPoundRed or whatever he goes by. The guy hasn’t said anything to warrant banishment especially on a discussion board. 

I was referring to a team ring, not individual. Anyone paying attention this season would classify CP’s performance this weekend as incredibly disappointing. They had multiple guys underperform this weekend which was the only way they were going to lose the team race considering they had 2-3 more qualifiers than CG & BB. 

I’m really surprised at how poorly CP performed this weekend. It’s a shame they couldn’t get it done this weekend after such a dominating season. Kudos to BB & CG for outwrestling CP and earning the top 2 spots. I don’t think anyone would have guessed CP was going to leave Evansville without a ring. I guess that’s why you wrestle the matches. 

Was the 8 under the lights in the parking lot? 

Sure wish I could read it!!!

Not sure who started it- it goes way back, but it’s true that Mr Demarco was kicked out of regionals and banned from SS.  Even though someone had to restrain coach Sessa with a body lock he was allowed allowed to finish coaching regionals and coach at SS.  Don’t care who started it- all coaches should be held to a higher standard and if you can’t objectively coach your kid sit in the stands with the rest of the fans.  

12 I think, 3 schools have done it . 

#25/#8 Marlin Williams of Southmont with a fall over #9/#2 Jack Todd of Pendleton Heights

I see a lot of posts complaining and asking why Indiana doesnt' have wrestle backs.  And since this is the time of the year we need them the most, I thought id construct the list of reasons/theories/hypotheses or plain conspiracies as why the great wrestlers of Indiana dont have the essential tool granted to every other state in their state series.  Here's my list In David Letterman style!!!!!!
 
10.We cant be like Illinois theory: In Indiana's continuous competition with Illinois and the resulting inferiority complex, Indiana had to do something different and in the name of conservative stubborness, we found a great avenue to differentiate from the Land of Lincoln,  "We wont have wrestlebacks like those woke liberal dudes to the west".
 
9. The Hunger Games theory:  In the the modern action novel where each district's humble heroes travel to the capitol and are placed in an arena to fight each other to die or move on for the ultimate reward solely for the purpose of the audience's bloody lust for entertainment.  Just like the Hunger games, we in Indiana travel to the capitol and are entertained by the Friday night circus called the ticket round where we love to see our humble wrestlers reach immediate state placing glory.  But also, we love the sudden agony of defeat and seeing ranked wrestler's dreams and hope of destroyed abruptly.  Wrestlers, "May the odds ever be in your favor".
 
8.  Save the IHSAA beautiful mats:  The IHSAA has great mats.   Buy eliminating wrestle backs, were cutting out 29% of wrestling from the tournament thus saving our mats for future years.
 
7.  Let's hang out at Tilted Kilt more theory:   Not that I've ever been there, but by eliminating wrestle backs this opens up more time for the great wrestling fans of the Hoosier state to patronize the abundant downtown dining places like the Tilted Kilt (come on, you guys tipped big).  We love places like "Dicks last resort, St Elmo's (love the Shrimp cocktail) or Fog De Chao for those with big appetite.  Even though I was disappointed when the kid i was cheering for lost and didn't have a wrestle back match, I did have extra time and the consolation to sincerely enjoy some tasty pasta at Buca.  The East Chicago equivalents are Portillo's or El Gran Taco.  But Ive heard Region Rat recommend PoleKatz for their excellent bar food and service.  In Evansville, the wrestling community and guys like TripleB  utilizes the extra time to spend at "Taco Bell, Panda Express and Pizza King".
 
6. Indiana Loves Quality over Quantity hypothesis:  We just want to see good matches and not be distracted by a plethora of matches created by "wrestlebacks".    If it has the word consolation in it, then you're going to have to console us from watching it. The winner's bracket is just so much more watchable and cool. Why stymie the tournament with consolation matches.  Is anybody watching the Ravens vs the Lions this weekend?      Come on everybody likes to see perennial winners and champions like Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs and i guess that other team from California.  But they ain't watching the consolation bowl.
 
 
5.  The biased IHSAA board makeup theory:   The IHSAA board, which has the overarching power to decide wrestling competition rules, is made up of former basketball, baseball and football coaches.  We have very little wrestling representation on the board.  Remember Indiana is a basketball state and those guys get power.   When asked to include wrestle backs, they say we don't have baseball backs, basketball backs, tennis backs or football backs, why should wrestlers get wrestle backs?  Its only a matter of fairness they say.   We did have some hope when the swimming coach on the board did show some interest in the idea, and curiously asked are wrestling backs like the backstroke?
 
4. Sinister Y2CJ41 conspiracy theory:  While Joe Caprino was thinking of ways to improve Indianamat participation and patronization, he conspired this idea in his lair at Victory Bay (yes it exists).  With his capacity to pull strings in Indiana wrestling, and his overreaching influence on the gatekeepers of the wrestling community he, came up with the idea to create controversy and blowup discussion on the Indianamat forum by secretly eliminating wrestle backs in the state tournament.  You notice "wrestle backs" is a common controversial topic????? You ever wonder why we don't have class wrestling????? Just saying i heard something on Qanon. I swear.
 
3. I didnt have wrestle backs when i wrestled:  How many grizzled veterans of the Indiana state tournament post they love the format, and that we have the best tournament in the country.  Even though many were scarred by their bad draws and robbed of placing or their lots were thrown wheel of luck. Its really just a psychological perception to block progress because they didn't have the same advantage.   Old stuck in its ways says: "Why should these young cocky, "soft" spoiled wrestlers have an advantage we didn't.   It's just not fair".    Thus were continually stuck in this circular state of no progress.   These are the same dudes that walked to school 6 miles in the snow and loved it.
 
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2.  We just arent trying or working hard enough theory!!  Under the current format, we will get bad draws and the better wrestlers wont advance.  But this could be overcome if everybody worked more or tried harder.   If every Indiana wrestler tried harder, we would never have a bad draw regardless of no wrestlebacks.  This is also the same reason we haven't found Sasquatch yet.
 
1. The Ricky Bobby Impact:  "If you aren't first, you're last".   That's the message we're getting.  Anyway, it's all about finding the one champion. That's what counts.  If you lose to the champion, then it doesn't really matter when you lost to him.  You're not important because you're not the champion. See #6 on consolation.   Yes, those silly non- first place medals are just over glorified system of participation trophies.  Why should we spend more time on silly consolation wrestle backs that's only irrelevant purpose is to separate the losers.
 
 
 

Yes, I’m in favor of class wrestling but that has nothing to do with my original post on this thread which is why send one 6a school to a sectional with all 1A/2a schools? If you want to pick another 6a school and send them to Cville with Zionsville, okay…that makes sense to me but sending just one does not. I could also see sending Lebanon to Cville instead of Zionsville when looking at geography. 

Yet 13 sectionals have zero 6a schools in them so your point is moot. A stronger argument would be to divide up the four in sectional 18 and send two to Crawfordsville but to say it makes sense for there to be one is illogical. 

Zionsville used to be in the same sectional as Fishers, HSE, Lebanon, Carmel, and Westfield along with Clinton Prairie, Clinton Central, Sheridan, and Frankfort. 2 adjustments ago, they moved Zionsville out to Crawfordsville and they are obviously the farthest West of the teams in that sectional, so I suppose geographically that fits. Why they only sent one of 5 6A schools? Why they sent one at all I assume was to relieve some of the crowdedness between sectionals as they say they like to balance student population size within sectionals that feed the same regional.
 
Now I'm not Math wizard, but I'm pretty confident that the Frankfort Sectional still has way more student population than the Crawfordsville one. I thought maybe they'd move another one that direction with the  new realignment this year, but they did not.