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There are plenty of amazing wrestlers that started out at these weights. Just goes to show that that these weights are still valuable to wrestling.

 

Obviously this thread is a piggyback off the other 103 lbs. thread so here are my 2 cents.  All of the names that have been mentioned are pretty good wrestlers, but most I wouldn't suggest being Indiana's "best."  Some of the names mentioned are from 10+ years ago.  Are you really suggesting that since Lance Ellis was an awesome 98 lber (for one year mind you) 20 years ago, that justifies keeping 103 currently?  Most of the guys mentioned were 103 lbers for one year, and all could handle a move to 112 by their sophomore years.  Keeping 103 isn't about who was good 5, 10, 20 years ago.  This isn't about the quality of the weight class, which is down compared to other weights anyway.  It's about which weights gets us more particpation NOW, in the present.  Frankly, 1/3 of schools not fielding the weight class proves that 103 doesn't do that for wrestling.

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There are plenty of amazing wrestlers that started out at these weights. Just goes to show that that these weights are still valuable to wrestling.

All of the names that have been mentioned are pretty good wrestlers, but most I wouldn't suggest being Indiana's "best." 

Are you joking about that? Eric Galka, Eric McGill, Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Nick Wiesjahn, Fernando Martinez and Josh Harper. 10 state titles and counting between them, with 6 of those titles not at 103? You would be hard-pressed to find a better, recent group of wrestlers than these former 103s. The rest of your argument might have some merit, but not this part of it. These are elite wrestlers in this state.

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There are plenty of amazing wrestlers that started out at these weights. Just goes to show that that these weights are still valuable to wrestling.

All of the names that have been mentioned are pretty good wrestlers, but most I wouldn't suggest being Indiana's "best." 

Are you joking about that? Eric Galka, Eric McGill, Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Nick Wiesjahn, Fernando Martinez and Josh Harper. 10 state titles and counting between them, with 6 of those titles not at 103? You would be hard-pressed to find a better, recent group of wrestlers than these former 103s. The rest of your argument might have some merit, but not this part of it. These are elite wrestlers in this state.

 

I agree with Dingo on this one!!

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Are you joking about that? Eric Galka, Eric McGill, Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Nick Wiesjahn, Fernando Martinez and Josh Harper. 10 state titles and counting between them, with 6 of those titles not at 103? You would be hard-pressed to find a better, recent group of wrestlers than these former 103s. The rest of your argument might have some merit, but not this part of it. These are elite wrestlers in this state.

 

The argument is best all-times, not just the elite wrestlers.  Nick Wiesjahn, very good wrestler, but never won state so I'm not considering him an all-timer.  Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Fernando Martinez all studs with 1 state title each.  Again, great wrestlers, but all-timers?  Maybe, we have different opinions of what an all-timer is because I think of guys that have multiple state titles.  The only guy that comes to mind with 1 state title, that I'd take a look at, is Brennan Cosgrove because he got to the finals multiple times as well.  Eric Galka and McGill have a strong case for being all-timers, and Josh Harper is a shoe-in.  Don't take this as me trying to knock down these wrestlers because that's not what I'm trying to do.  I guess it's all about your interpretation of what an all-timer is.  If being a 1-time state champion or 3 or 4 time state placer is good enough, then all the aforementioned wrestlers are all-timers then.  But for me, it comes down to how many titles you've won.

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How about being a D1 wrestler at top-20 programs or wrestling at an elite smaller school like Findlay?

Galka, multi-X champ, numerous national accolades, wrestling at Big 10 power Northwestern,

Martinez ranked for much of his career in D1 at 125 at Army, also a multi-X NCAA qualifier,

McGill multi-X champ, placing in national tourneys in hs, started as a freshman at top-10 Cornell,

Fields and Churchard, multi-X placers and 1X champs, wrestling at Purdue,

Harper likely to be a 4Xer,

Wiesjahn, multi-X placer, wrestling at Findlay.

 

This is Indiana, this isn't Pennsylvania. These are some of the best our state has produced, period.

 

How many state titles each kid won, in many cases, has a lot to do with who was in their weight class in a particular year. You would be hard-pressed to find another first-year weight class that produced the same level of quality of wrestlers.

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How about being a D1 wrestler at top-20 programs or wrestling at an elite smaller school like Findlay?

Galka, multi-X champ, numerous national accolades, wrestling at Big 10 power Northwestern,

Martinez ranked for much of his career in D1 at 125 at Army, also a multi-X NCAA qualifier,

McGill multi-X champ, placing in national tourneys in hs, started as a freshman at top-10 Cornell,

Fields and Churchard, multi-X placers and 1X champs, wrestling at Purdue,

Harper likely to be a 4Xer,

Wiesjahn, multi-X placer, wrestling at Findlay.

 

This is Indiana, this isn't Pennsylvania. These are some of the best our state has produced, period.

 

How many state titles each kid won, in many cases, has a lot to do with who was in their weight class in a particular year. You would be hard-pressed to find another first-year weight class that produced the same level of quality of wrestlers.

 

At this point, I think we're going to wind-up agreeing to disagree because our definitions of "All-time" wrestlers are apparently different.  Which is fine, because I respect most peoples' opinions on here.  But the original reason I commented on this thread anyway was for getting more participation, not arguing who is/isn't an all-time wrestler.  I feel just keeping 103 because we happen to have some good, young wrestlers there is a (for lack of a better word) stupid.  When over 30% of schools can't field the weight, proves that it's more of a negative than a positive.  If you eliminated 103, it's not like we will have never heard of Galka, Harper, Fields, or McGill.  They would've had difficulties their freshman year, but probably still competitive against the 112 lbers.  Then their sophomore years and beyond, they'd grow into 112 and further.  So eliminating 103, in the long run wouldn't hurt the development of these younger, smaller kids in my opinion.

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Montana would be the only state to change 103 and 105 , but they added 98 like New York.  Why should we change?

 

OK, I give in.  Since Montana and New York are doing it, everything must be fine.  I retract everything I've ever said about forfeit rate and growing participation numbers.

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I have never really understood the argument that by keeping a weight class that has 30% forfeits it's really bad for wrestling in this state or any other.  Why will the ills of H.S. wrestling start to be cured by eliminating 103?  Now I agree that people would rather see action than a fft but I have never been in the stands of a wrestling meet and seen anyone storm out of the gym in disgust after a 3 lbr gets his hand raised for a fft.  Never overheard a high school kid say "man, what a great sport, I'd go out for it if it weren't for those dang 103 pounders getting ffts AND varsity letters.  Darn my luck, I weigh 140 pounds as a freshman but I'm just gonna be so mad that the freshman runt they pulled out of the hall to wrestle 103 will letter and I won't.  I'll show that wrestling coach, I won't go out and it's all the 103 pounders fault."  The reason the sport suffers in participation is because it's difficult.  Flat out.  End of story.  Rarely does a wrestling match draw as many fans as a basketball game.  Never been to a Mater Dei or Mishawaka match so maybe it happens at those locations but does it happen consistently or just during big rivalry matches?  We live in an attention seeking age.  The kids that wrestle are unique.  Most thrive on the fact that they participate in a sport few of their fellow students know anything about.  They pride themselves that, unlike the b-ball player, they toil in anonimity and are still excellent at their craft and are able to be so without the adulation of big crowds.  It's an attitude of "nobody cares about my sport but I'm going to be so good at it that I'm going to force the school newspaper to recognize me and my team.  I'm going to force an announcement before school about my accomplishments at a post season tournament over the weekend."  I wrestled in Illinois in the early 80's and I don't think much has changed about the attitudes towards wrestling since then.  How do other individual sports (swimming comes mostly to mind) make it?  I know nothing about that sport but maybe someone could enlighten us as to how things work.  I would imagine, like wrestling, the fans in the stands are mostly relatives of the swimmers.  Does every school at every meet have a participant for every event?  If not, is there a belief that that is hurting the sport?  How do H.S. swim teams build their teams?  I know enough that the swim clubs in the FW area are machines so the feeder system is in place, that's for sure.  If replies to this e-mail come back and say say the biggest difference between swimming and wrestling is that it's difficult for a freshman to be varsity on a swim team, I don't buy it.  There's more to the problems of wrestling participation than that.  I'll end by saying that if raising the weight to 105 or 108 will take away a noticable % of ffts, then go for it but I think the there are other greater threats to the survival of H.S. wrestling than the 103 pound weight class.

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I look at this list and I see a bunch of ?no name?, ?one time wonders?, etc

Lets eliminate these midgets from the tournament until they grow up!

 

Year, wgt., place, grade, name, school

 

1986  098  1  9  Lance  Ellis  Indy Cathedral

2000  103  1  9  John  Sheets  Bellmont

2005  103  1  9  Eric  Galka  Hobart

2006  103  1  9  Josh  Harper  Mishawaka

2008  103  1  9  Ethan  Raley  Indian Creek

1982  098  2  9  Greg  Buehler  Bloomington North

1999  103  2  9  Jason  Cook  Valparaiso

2004  103  2  9  Eric  McGill  Munster

2007  103  2  9  Brandon  Wright  Indy Cathedral

1982  098  3  9  Craig  Campbell  Delta

1994  103  3  9  Bill  Maldonado  E. Chicago Central

2004  103  3  9  Ethan  Harris  Beech Grove

1986  098  4  9  Scott  Ferguson  Castle

1998  103  4  9  Robert  Maldonado  E. Chicago Central

2000  103  4  9  Craig  Macke  Evansville Mater Dei

2002  103  4  9  Tyler  Goble  Bloomington South

2003  103  4  9  Danny  Coyne  Beech Grove

2006  103  4  9  Camden  Eppert  Anderson Highland

2007  103  4  9  Brandon  Nelsen  Lawrence North

1989  103  5  9  Jason  Terry  Indy Cathedral

2006  103  5  9  Justin  Brooks  Warsaw

2008  103  5  9  Josh  Kiefer  Indy Roncalli

1988  103  6  9  Robert  Taylor  Warsaw

1992  103  6  9  Tim  Myers  Bellmont

1993  103  6  9  Mac  Taylor  New Castle

2003  103  6  9  Marcus  Miller  Muncie Southside

2005  103  6  9  Chris  Head  Bloomington South

2000  103  7  9  Craig  Warmke  Lawrence North

2001  103  7  9  Jose  Escobedo  Griffith

2004  103  7  9  David  Shepherd  Western

2007  103  7  9  Jacob  Tonte  Perry Meridian

2002  103  8  9  Nathan  Strack  Columbia City

2006  103  8  9  Bryan  Whitaker  Muncie Southside

2008  103  8  9  Steve  Gonzales  Delta

1992  103  Q  9  Jeremy  Bolt  South Dearborn

1993  103  Q  9  Paul  Maldonado  E. Chicago Central

1993  103  Q  9  Chris  Edwards  Lawrence North

1993  103  Q  9  Josh  Gayheart  Lakeland

1994  103  Q  9  Darrell  Carr  Warsaw

1997  103  Q  9  Rene  Hernandez  Hammond Noll

1997  103  Q  9  Eric  Keith  Portage

1998  103  Q  9  Mike  Chandler  Portage

1998  103  Q  9  Jason  Brescher  Jasper

1999  103  Q  9  Andy  Uhl  East Noble

1999  103  Q  9  Hector  Mendez  E. Chicago Central

2000  103  Q  9  Matt  Jaggers  New Castle

2002  103  Q  9  Alex  Foster  North Montgomery

2003  103  Q  9  Tyler  Ott  Columbus North

2003  103  Q  9  Javier  Salas  River Forest

2003  103  Q  9  Jeffery  Papiernik  Ft. Wayne Snider

2003  103  Q  9  Troy  Hill  Portage

2003  103  Q  9  Kyle  Cooper  Columbus East

2003  103  Q  9  Gary  Black  New Castle

2004  103  Q  9  Reece  Freeman  Bloomington South

2004  103  Q  9  Tyson  Bercot  Adams Central

2005  103  Q  9  Thomas  Churchard  Valparaiso

2005  103  Q  9  Alex  Weinzapfel  Evansville Mater Dei

2006  103  Q  9  Christopher  Quiroga  Lawrence North

2006  103  Q  9  Will  Sheets  Bellmont

2007  103  Q  9  Jacob  Armantrout  Muncie Southside

2007  103  Q  9  Anthony  Hawkins  Crown Point

2007  103  Q  9  James  Larowe  East Noble

2008  103  Q  9  Travis  Barroquillo  Prairie Heights

1987  098  Q  9  Jim  Bartlett  South Dearborn

1984  098  Q 0  9  Mitch  Hansel  Marion

1990  103  Q 0  9  Wade  Garrett  Hagerstown

1985  105  Q 1  9  David  Suits  Delta

1983  105  Q  9  Troy  Roe  Adams Central

1990  103  Q  9  Derek  Crousore  New Castle

1984  098  Q  9  Derek  Bocock  Lawrence Central

1987  098  Q  9  Marc  Foreman  Muncie Southside

1990  103  Q  9  Jason  Bowman  Martinsville

1991  103  Q  9  Pat  McCarthy  McCutcheon

1983  098  Q  9  Chip  Elderkin  Evansville Mater Dei

1987  098  Q  9  Kris  Hayward  Avon

1988  103  Q  9  Todd  Graham  LaPorte

1990  103  Q  9  Jeremy  Rivas  Portage

1983  098  Q  9  Craig  Alstott  Floyd Central

1986  105  Q  9  Matt  Puckett  Franklin Central

1987  098  Q  9  Troy  Schmitt  Zionsville

1991  103  Q  9  Brian  Jackson  Lake Central

1983  098  Q  9  Mike  Bowling  Indy Roncalli

1983  105  Q  9  Tim  Mayer  Evansville Mater Dei

1985  098  Q  9  Matt  Moll  Indy Cathedral

1987  105  Q  9  Mark  Griffiths  Adams Central

1989  103  Q  9  Brandon  Christensen  Zionsville

1981  098  Q  9  Jim  Daniels  Lake Central

1986  098  Q  9  Mark  Rosenbalm  Merrillville

1989  103  Q  9  Scott  Mendenhall  Western

1991  103  Q  9  Kevin  Winegardner  Lafayette Jefferson

1989  103  Q  9  Craig  Elper  Evansville Mater Dei

1991  103  Q  9  Matt  Decker  Norwell

1983  105  1  10  Scott  Ellis  Warren Central

1985  098  1  10  Keith  Huddleston  Avon

1990  103  1  10  Jason  Terry  Indy Cathedral

1993  103  1  10  Patrick  Cassidy  Bloomington North

2007  103  1  10  Camden  Eppert  Anderson Highland

1984  098  2  10  Darryn  Swanson  S. B. LaSalle

1994  103  2  10  Kevin  Head  Evansville Mater Dei

1995  100  2  10  David  Combs  Bloomington South

1995  106  2  10  Travis  Beach  Princeton

2001  103  2  10  Macke  Craig  Evansville Mater Dei

2002  103  2  10  Jose  Escobedo  Griffith

1981  098  3  10  Greg  Freije  Avon

1981  105  3  10  Doug  Brewer  Ft. Wayne Wayne

1983  105  3  10  Craig  Campbell  Delta

1985  098  3  10  Andy  Parkinson  Delta

1987  098  3  10  Mark  Rosenbalm  Merrillville

1989  103  3  10  Robert  Taylor  Warsaw

1992  103  3  10  Josh  Hutchens  Plymouth

1995  100  3  10  Leroy  Vega  Portage

1996  103  3  10  Scott  Weaver  Indy Cathedral

1997  103  3  10  Nick  Iannarelli  Elkhart Memorial

2008  103  3  10  Brandon  Nelsen  Lawrence North

1982  098  4  10  Ben  Reichel  Indy Northwest

1983  098  4  10  Jay  Mack  Merrillville

1983  105  4  10  Andy  Eckert  Huntington North

1984  098  4  10  Chip  Elderkin  Evansville Mater Dei

1984  105  4  10  Troy  Roe  Adams Central

1985  098  4  10  Steve  Doherty  Jeffersonville

1995  100  4  10  Corey  Williams  Indy Brebeuf

1999  103  4  10  Aaron  Clark  Franklin Community

2005  103  4  10  David  Shepherd  Western

2008  103  4  10  Anthony  Hawkins  Crown Point

1994  103  5  10  Mac  Taylor  New Castle

1996  103  5  10  Greg  Schaefer  Evansville Mater Dei

1999  103  5  10  Adam  Moreno  Portage

2000  103  5  10  Ian  Barclay  LaPorte

1986  098  6  10  Junior  Smith  Lakeland

1987  098  6  10  Troy  Gerke  Bellmont

1991  103  6  10  Derek  Crousore  New Castle

1994  103  6  10  Jake  Harreld  Carmel

2001  103  6  10  Nic  May  Peru

2002  103  6  10  Greg  Roberts  Goshen

2004  103  6  10  Joshua  Sung  Hamilton Southeastern

2006  103  6  10  Connor  Zuber  Evansville Memorial

2007  103  6  10  Alex  Johns  Evansville Reitz

2008  103  6  10  Matt  Milton  Center Grove

1995  100  7  10  Brian  Smiley  Plainfield

1995  106  7  10  Nick  Hull  Lawrence Central

1997  103  7  10  Adam  Doherty  Jeffersonville

1998  103  7  10  Matt  Birner  Peru

1999  103  7  10  Frank  Wynne  Beech Grove

2003  103  7  10  Santana  Adame  Griffith

2005  103  7  10  Derek  Nelson  Bellmont

2008  103  7  10  Paul  Beck  Mishawaka

1994  103  8  10  Ryan  Schoettle  Indy Roncalli

1995  106  8  10  Floyd  Chambers  Madison

2000  103  8  10  Russell  Smiley  Warren Central

2005  103  8  10  Matt  Fields  Whiteland

2007  103  8  10  Francisco  Colon  Columbus North

1992  103  Q  10  Bill  Leinweber  Hammond Clark

1992  103  Q  10  Ted  Phillips  Merrillville

1992  103  Q  10  Antwain  Batemon  Indy Broad Ripple

1992  103  Q  10  Jesse  Bender  Warren Central

1993  103  Q  10  Rocky  Reinhard  Whitko

1993  103  Q  10  Jason  Barbosa  Muncie Southside

1994  103  Q  10  Brad  Lee  Delta

1994  103  Q  10  Matt  Hardman  Ft. Wayne Dwenger

1994  103  Q  10  Ryan  Elmore  Lebanon

1995  100  Q  10  Bruce  McCormick  Alexandria

1995  100  Q  10  Gary  Schmucker  NorthWood

1995  106  Q  10  Casey  Stouffer  Southwood

1996  103  Q  10  Derek  Black  Madison

1996  103  Q  10  John  Labo  Vincennes Lincoln

1996  103  Q  10  Nick  Silva  E. Chicago Central

1996  103  Q  10  Bob  Donaldson  Lebanon

1997  103  Q  10  Wes  Gibson  Beech Grove

1997  103  Q  10  Scott  Maddox  Taylor

1998  103  Q  10  Mike  Shaw  Indy Cathedral

1998  103  Q  10  Nathan  Peterson  Floyd Central

1998  103  Q  10  Andy  Heacox  Hagerstown

1999  103  Q  10  Bobby  Ausbrooks  Evansville Mater Dei

1999  103  Q  10  Joey  Van Skyock  Jay County

1999  103  Q  10  Ian  Gard  Lawrence North

2000  103  Q  10  Anyhony  Boley  Warsaw

2000  103  Q  10  Scott  Klusmeier  New Albany

2001  103  Q  10  Jason  Sayre  New Castle

2001  103  Q  10  David  Fields  Perry Meridian

2001  103  Q  10  Danny  Norman  New Palestine

2002  103  Q  10  Felipe  Perez  Frankfort

2002  103  Q  10  Gary  Landuyt  S. B. Washington

2002  103  Q  10  Randy  Gerber  Bluffton

2002  103  Q  10  Brad  Spine  Floyd Central

2002  103  Q  10  Aaron  Buchler  Lake Central

2003  103  Q  10  Tyler  Pino  Lawrence North

2004  103  Q  10  Brice  Cleland  Pike

2004  103  Q  10  Troy  Hil  Portage

2004  103  Q  10  Adam  Andrews  Elkhart Memorial

2004  103  Q  10  Terrance  Hublard  New Albany

2004  103  Q  10  Steve  Salinas  S. B. Clay

2004  103  Q  10  Cody  Weiss  Heritage Hills

2005  103  Q  10  Nick  Wiesjahn  Mishawaka

2005  103  Q  10  Travis  Smoker  Prairie Heights

2005  103  Q  10  Benjamin  Kesterman  Triton Central

2006  103  Q  10  Justin  Wight  Homestead

2006  103  Q  10  Richard  Rackley  Franklin Central

2006  103  Q  10  Tyler  Mantel  Zionsville

2006  103  Q  10  Brett  Eads  Corydon Central

2006  103  Q  10  Andrew  Kepchar  Merrillville

2008  103  Q  10  Zac  Stevens  Merrillville

2008  103  Q  10  Luke  Scholfield  Franklin Community

2008  103  Q  10  Matthew  Miller  Northwestern

2008  103  Q  10  Jacob  McCarthy  Mount Vernon (Fortville)

2008  103  Q  10  Dylan  Hall  Evansville Harrison

1981  105  Q  10  Charles  Thomas  Muncie Southside

1985  098  Q  10  Jim  Hines  Hobart

1985  105  Q  10  Kevin  Huddleston  Avon

1991  103  Q  10  Michael  Galbreath  Madison

1984  105  Q 0  10  Tom  Magiera  Merrillville

1986  098  Q 0  10  Todd  Weaver  Waldron

1991  103  Q 0  10  Tim  Baumgart  Evansville Mater Dei

1984  098  Q 1  10  Scott  Miller  Lake Central

1985  098  Q 1  10  Brad  Trimble  Owen Valley

1985  098  Q 2  10  Todd  Mansker  Yorktown

1985  105  Q 2  10  Ed  Nowlin  Culver Military

1982  105  Q  10  Scott  Mundell  Merrillville

1984  105  Q  10  Robert  Ford  Warsaw

1985  105  Q  10  Mike  Sego  Bloomington North

1989  103  Q  10  Jerry  Brawley  Martinsville

1985  098  Q  10  Derek  Bocock  Lawrence Central

1986  105  Q  10  Dennis  Tragesser  Culver Military

1987  105  Q  10  Scott  Ferguson  Castle

1989  103  Q  10  Brian  Gaines  Northwestern

1984  098  Q  10  Gilbert  Durham  Indy Cathedral

1985  105  Q  10  Tom  Brown  Highland

1986  098  Q  10  Geoff  Glogas  Jay County

1990  103  Q  10  Marlin  Stewart  Indy Brebeuf

1991  103  Q  10  Schawn  Ponsler  Alexandria

1981  098  Q  10  John  Runkle  Knox

1981  105  Q  10  Mike  Silverman  Carmel

1983  098  Q  10  Ed  Clark  Franklin Central

1984  098  Q  10  Tim  Afanador  Bloomington South

1985  098  Q  10  Hugh  Waddington  Lawrence North

1986  105  Q  10  Dan  Ireland  Floyd Central

1987  098  Q  10  Tom  Keeley  Mishawaka

1991  103  Q  10  Eric  Wilson  Valparaiso

1983  105  Q  10  Barry  Buffington  Calumet

1984  105  Q  10  Craig  Alstott  Floyd Central

1985  098  Q  10  Troy  Kitchel  Logansport

1988  103  Q  10  Todd  Frantz  Logansport

1989  103  Q  10  Matt  Stevens  Evansville Harrison

1990  103  Q  10  Devon  Nelson  Mishawaka

1986  098  Q  10  Juan  Barrantes  Harding

1988  103  Q  10  Scott  Wilson  Rushville

1990  103  Q  10  Chris  Patrick  Warsaw

1981  105  Q  10  Rodney  Robison  Lowell

1982  098  Q  10  Tony  Smith  Calumet

1983  098  Q  10  Oliver  Richmond  Ft. Wayne Elmhurst

1983  105  Q  10  Greg  Buehler  Bloomington North

1984  098  Q  10  Mike  Bowling  Indy Roncalli

1990  103  Q  10  Steve  Hofer  Franklin County

1985  098  Q  10  Mike  Happe  Evansville Mater Dei

1986  105  Q  10  Brad  Bontrager  Goshen

1987  098  Q  10  Mike  Love  Western

1990  103  Q  10  Ken  Spitznagle  Lafayette Jefferson

 

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Again, I'm not worried about who was good 10, 15, 20 years ago.  I'm worried about the state of the weight class, NOW, in the present.  You think most of the guys you just listed wouldn't have successful high school careers if they happened to have wrestled 112 underweight for one (maybe two) years?  Eliminating the "midgets until they grow up"  for less forfeits.  I'd do it without losing any sleep.  You're not really surprised that list is as big as it is of underclassmen since it is an underclassmen weight class?  I wouldn't expect to see as many successful freshman and sophomores at 145 since it's a junior and senior driven weight class.  Also when did I ever suggest that 103 lbers were "one name, one-time wonders?"

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TheAncientElder,

 

Again, I'm not worried about who was good 10, 15, 20 years ago.  I'm worried about the state of the weight class, NOW, in the present.  You think most of the guys you just listed wouldn't have successful high school careers if they happened to have wrestled 112 underweight for one (maybe two) years?  Eliminating the "midgets until they grow up"  for less forfeits.  I'd do it without losing any sleep.  You're not really surprised that list is as big as it is of underclassmen since it is an underclassmen weight class?  I wouldn't expect to see as many successful freshman and sophomores at 145 since it's a junior and senior driven weight class.

So 103# state champs and placers are inferior in your eyes because they wrestle underclassmen?

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