IMAWRESTLER Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Just wondering how many of our college wrestlers started at 98 or 103? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 John Sheets is the first to come to mind, I know there are others but I'm blanking on names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 The Wight brothers from Homestead were both 103 for multiple years. They both now wrestle at Trine University. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Brigade Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Eric Galka, Eric McGill, Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Nick Wiesjahn and Fernando Martinez, to name a few. Josh Harper as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. RIght Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Leroy Vega, 98lb. Lance Ellis, Adam Doherty, Greg Schaefer. just to name a few old champs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cewrestlingfan Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Cashe' Quiroga and Camden Eppert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getstruck103 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 lance ellis for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 There are plenty of amazing wrestlers that started out at these weights. Just goes to show that that these weights are still valuable to wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
former130 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 There are plenty of amazing wrestlers that started out at these weights. Just goes to show that that these weights are still valuable to wrestling. I give you a wahoo for that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhomburg Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Eric Galka, Eric McGill, Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Nick Wiesjahn and Fernando Martinez, to name a few. Josh Harper as well. Where is Churchard wrestling at in college? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Brigade Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Eric Galka, Eric McGill, Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Nick Wiesjahn and Fernando Martinez, to name a few. Josh Harper as well. Where is Churchard wrestling at in college? Purdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 There are plenty of amazing wrestlers that started out at these weights. Just goes to show that that these weights are still valuable to wrestling. Obviously this thread is a piggyback off the other 103 lbs. thread so here are my 2 cents. All of the names that have been mentioned are pretty good wrestlers, but most I wouldn't suggest being Indiana's "best." Some of the names mentioned are from 10+ years ago. Are you really suggesting that since Lance Ellis was an awesome 98 lber (for one year mind you) 20 years ago, that justifies keeping 103 currently? Most of the guys mentioned were 103 lbers for one year, and all could handle a move to 112 by their sophomore years. Keeping 103 isn't about who was good 5, 10, 20 years ago. This isn't about the quality of the weight class, which is down compared to other weights anyway. It's about which weights gets us more particpation NOW, in the present. Frankly, 1/3 of schools not fielding the weight class proves that 103 doesn't do that for wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Brigade Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 There are plenty of amazing wrestlers that started out at these weights. Just goes to show that that these weights are still valuable to wrestling. All of the names that have been mentioned are pretty good wrestlers, but most I wouldn't suggest being Indiana's "best." Are you joking about that? Eric Galka, Eric McGill, Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Nick Wiesjahn, Fernando Martinez and Josh Harper. 10 state titles and counting between them, with 6 of those titles not at 103? You would be hard-pressed to find a better, recent group of wrestlers than these former 103s. The rest of your argument might have some merit, but not this part of it. These are elite wrestlers in this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cewrestlingfan Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 There are plenty of amazing wrestlers that started out at these weights. Just goes to show that that these weights are still valuable to wrestling. All of the names that have been mentioned are pretty good wrestlers, but most I wouldn't suggest being Indiana's "best." Are you joking about that? Eric Galka, Eric McGill, Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Nick Wiesjahn, Fernando Martinez and Josh Harper. 10 state titles and counting between them, with 6 of those titles not at 103? You would be hard-pressed to find a better, recent group of wrestlers than these former 103s. The rest of your argument might have some merit, but not this part of it. These are elite wrestlers in this state. I agree with Dingo on this one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Are you joking about that? Eric Galka, Eric McGill, Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Nick Wiesjahn, Fernando Martinez and Josh Harper. 10 state titles and counting between them, with 6 of those titles not at 103? You would be hard-pressed to find a better, recent group of wrestlers than these former 103s. The rest of your argument might have some merit, but not this part of it. These are elite wrestlers in this state. The argument is best all-times, not just the elite wrestlers. Nick Wiesjahn, very good wrestler, but never won state so I'm not considering him an all-timer. Matt Fields, Tom Churchard, Fernando Martinez all studs with 1 state title each. Again, great wrestlers, but all-timers? Maybe, we have different opinions of what an all-timer is because I think of guys that have multiple state titles. The only guy that comes to mind with 1 state title, that I'd take a look at, is Brennan Cosgrove because he got to the finals multiple times as well. Eric Galka and McGill have a strong case for being all-timers, and Josh Harper is a shoe-in. Don't take this as me trying to knock down these wrestlers because that's not what I'm trying to do. I guess it's all about your interpretation of what an all-timer is. If being a 1-time state champion or 3 or 4 time state placer is good enough, then all the aforementioned wrestlers are all-timers then. But for me, it comes down to how many titles you've won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Brigade Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 How about being a D1 wrestler at top-20 programs or wrestling at an elite smaller school like Findlay? Galka, multi-X champ, numerous national accolades, wrestling at Big 10 power Northwestern, Martinez ranked for much of his career in D1 at 125 at Army, also a multi-X NCAA qualifier, McGill multi-X champ, placing in national tourneys in hs, started as a freshman at top-10 Cornell, Fields and Churchard, multi-X placers and 1X champs, wrestling at Purdue, Harper likely to be a 4Xer, Wiesjahn, multi-X placer, wrestling at Findlay. This is Indiana, this isn't Pennsylvania. These are some of the best our state has produced, period. How many state titles each kid won, in many cases, has a lot to do with who was in their weight class in a particular year. You would be hard-pressed to find another first-year weight class that produced the same level of quality of wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 How about being a D1 wrestler at top-20 programs or wrestling at an elite smaller school like Findlay? Galka, multi-X champ, numerous national accolades, wrestling at Big 10 power Northwestern, Martinez ranked for much of his career in D1 at 125 at Army, also a multi-X NCAA qualifier, McGill multi-X champ, placing in national tourneys in hs, started as a freshman at top-10 Cornell, Fields and Churchard, multi-X placers and 1X champs, wrestling at Purdue, Harper likely to be a 4Xer, Wiesjahn, multi-X placer, wrestling at Findlay. This is Indiana, this isn't Pennsylvania. These are some of the best our state has produced, period. How many state titles each kid won, in many cases, has a lot to do with who was in their weight class in a particular year. You would be hard-pressed to find another first-year weight class that produced the same level of quality of wrestlers. At this point, I think we're going to wind-up agreeing to disagree because our definitions of "All-time" wrestlers are apparently different. Which is fine, because I respect most peoples' opinions on here. But the original reason I commented on this thread anyway was for getting more participation, not arguing who is/isn't an all-time wrestler. I feel just keeping 103 because we happen to have some good, young wrestlers there is a (for lack of a better word) stupid. When over 30% of schools can't field the weight, proves that it's more of a negative than a positive. If you eliminated 103, it's not like we will have never heard of Galka, Harper, Fields, or McGill. They would've had difficulties their freshman year, but probably still competitive against the 112 lbers. Then their sophomore years and beyond, they'd grow into 112 and further. So eliminating 103, in the long run wouldn't hurt the development of these younger, smaller kids in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMAWRESTLER Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 Montana would be the only state to change 103 and 105 , but they added 98 like New York. Why should we change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Montana would be the only state to change 103 and 105 , but they added 98 like New York. Why should we change? OK, I give in. Since Montana and New York are doing it, everything must be fine. I retract everything I've ever said about forfeit rate and growing participation numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boom444 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Actually Matt Fields did not start out out 103 he wrestled 112 as a freshman because he could not beat Meister at 103. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I have never really understood the argument that by keeping a weight class that has 30% forfeits it's really bad for wrestling in this state or any other. Why will the ills of H.S. wrestling start to be cured by eliminating 103? Now I agree that people would rather see action than a fft but I have never been in the stands of a wrestling meet and seen anyone storm out of the gym in disgust after a 3 lbr gets his hand raised for a fft. Never overheard a high school kid say "man, what a great sport, I'd go out for it if it weren't for those dang 103 pounders getting ffts AND varsity letters. Darn my luck, I weigh 140 pounds as a freshman but I'm just gonna be so mad that the freshman runt they pulled out of the hall to wrestle 103 will letter and I won't. I'll show that wrestling coach, I won't go out and it's all the 103 pounders fault." The reason the sport suffers in participation is because it's difficult. Flat out. End of story. Rarely does a wrestling match draw as many fans as a basketball game. Never been to a Mater Dei or Mishawaka match so maybe it happens at those locations but does it happen consistently or just during big rivalry matches? We live in an attention seeking age. The kids that wrestle are unique. Most thrive on the fact that they participate in a sport few of their fellow students know anything about. They pride themselves that, unlike the b-ball player, they toil in anonimity and are still excellent at their craft and are able to be so without the adulation of big crowds. It's an attitude of "nobody cares about my sport but I'm going to be so good at it that I'm going to force the school newspaper to recognize me and my team. I'm going to force an announcement before school about my accomplishments at a post season tournament over the weekend." I wrestled in Illinois in the early 80's and I don't think much has changed about the attitudes towards wrestling since then. How do other individual sports (swimming comes mostly to mind) make it? I know nothing about that sport but maybe someone could enlighten us as to how things work. I would imagine, like wrestling, the fans in the stands are mostly relatives of the swimmers. Does every school at every meet have a participant for every event? If not, is there a belief that that is hurting the sport? How do H.S. swim teams build their teams? I know enough that the swim clubs in the FW area are machines so the feeder system is in place, that's for sure. If replies to this e-mail come back and say say the biggest difference between swimming and wrestling is that it's difficult for a freshman to be varsity on a swim team, I don't buy it. There's more to the problems of wrestling participation than that. I'll end by saying that if raising the weight to 105 or 108 will take away a noticable % of ffts, then go for it but I think the there are other greater threats to the survival of H.S. wrestling than the 103 pound weight class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncientElder Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I look at this list and I see a bunch of ?no name?, ?one time wonders?, etc Lets eliminate these midgets from the tournament until they grow up! Year, wgt., place, grade, name, school 1986 098 1 9 Lance Ellis Indy Cathedral 2000 103 1 9 John Sheets Bellmont 2005 103 1 9 Eric Galka Hobart 2006 103 1 9 Josh Harper Mishawaka 2008 103 1 9 Ethan Raley Indian Creek 1982 098 2 9 Greg Buehler Bloomington North 1999 103 2 9 Jason Cook Valparaiso 2004 103 2 9 Eric McGill Munster 2007 103 2 9 Brandon Wright Indy Cathedral 1982 098 3 9 Craig Campbell Delta 1994 103 3 9 Bill Maldonado E. Chicago Central 2004 103 3 9 Ethan Harris Beech Grove 1986 098 4 9 Scott Ferguson Castle 1998 103 4 9 Robert Maldonado E. Chicago Central 2000 103 4 9 Craig Macke Evansville Mater Dei 2002 103 4 9 Tyler Goble Bloomington South 2003 103 4 9 Danny Coyne Beech Grove 2006 103 4 9 Camden Eppert Anderson Highland 2007 103 4 9 Brandon Nelsen Lawrence North 1989 103 5 9 Jason Terry Indy Cathedral 2006 103 5 9 Justin Brooks Warsaw 2008 103 5 9 Josh Kiefer Indy Roncalli 1988 103 6 9 Robert Taylor Warsaw 1992 103 6 9 Tim Myers Bellmont 1993 103 6 9 Mac Taylor New Castle 2003 103 6 9 Marcus Miller Muncie Southside 2005 103 6 9 Chris Head Bloomington South 2000 103 7 9 Craig Warmke Lawrence North 2001 103 7 9 Jose Escobedo Griffith 2004 103 7 9 David Shepherd Western 2007 103 7 9 Jacob Tonte Perry Meridian 2002 103 8 9 Nathan Strack Columbia City 2006 103 8 9 Bryan Whitaker Muncie Southside 2008 103 8 9 Steve Gonzales Delta 1992 103 Q 9 Jeremy Bolt South Dearborn 1993 103 Q 9 Paul Maldonado E. Chicago Central 1993 103 Q 9 Chris Edwards Lawrence North 1993 103 Q 9 Josh Gayheart Lakeland 1994 103 Q 9 Darrell Carr Warsaw 1997 103 Q 9 Rene Hernandez Hammond Noll 1997 103 Q 9 Eric Keith Portage 1998 103 Q 9 Mike Chandler Portage 1998 103 Q 9 Jason Brescher Jasper 1999 103 Q 9 Andy Uhl East Noble 1999 103 Q 9 Hector Mendez E. Chicago Central 2000 103 Q 9 Matt Jaggers New Castle 2002 103 Q 9 Alex Foster North Montgomery 2003 103 Q 9 Tyler Ott Columbus North 2003 103 Q 9 Javier Salas River Forest 2003 103 Q 9 Jeffery Papiernik Ft. Wayne Snider 2003 103 Q 9 Troy Hill Portage 2003 103 Q 9 Kyle Cooper Columbus East 2003 103 Q 9 Gary Black New Castle 2004 103 Q 9 Reece Freeman Bloomington South 2004 103 Q 9 Tyson Bercot Adams Central 2005 103 Q 9 Thomas Churchard Valparaiso 2005 103 Q 9 Alex Weinzapfel Evansville Mater Dei 2006 103 Q 9 Christopher Quiroga Lawrence North 2006 103 Q 9 Will Sheets Bellmont 2007 103 Q 9 Jacob Armantrout Muncie Southside 2007 103 Q 9 Anthony Hawkins Crown Point 2007 103 Q 9 James Larowe East Noble 2008 103 Q 9 Travis Barroquillo Prairie Heights 1987 098 Q 9 Jim Bartlett South Dearborn 1984 098 Q 0 9 Mitch Hansel Marion 1990 103 Q 0 9 Wade Garrett Hagerstown 1985 105 Q 1 9 David Suits Delta 1983 105 Q 9 Troy Roe Adams Central 1990 103 Q 9 Derek Crousore New Castle 1984 098 Q 9 Derek Bocock Lawrence Central 1987 098 Q 9 Marc Foreman Muncie Southside 1990 103 Q 9 Jason Bowman Martinsville 1991 103 Q 9 Pat McCarthy McCutcheon 1983 098 Q 9 Chip Elderkin Evansville Mater Dei 1987 098 Q 9 Kris Hayward Avon 1988 103 Q 9 Todd Graham LaPorte 1990 103 Q 9 Jeremy Rivas Portage 1983 098 Q 9 Craig Alstott Floyd Central 1986 105 Q 9 Matt Puckett Franklin Central 1987 098 Q 9 Troy Schmitt Zionsville 1991 103 Q 9 Brian Jackson Lake Central 1983 098 Q 9 Mike Bowling Indy Roncalli 1983 105 Q 9 Tim Mayer Evansville Mater Dei 1985 098 Q 9 Matt Moll Indy Cathedral 1987 105 Q 9 Mark Griffiths Adams Central 1989 103 Q 9 Brandon Christensen Zionsville 1981 098 Q 9 Jim Daniels Lake Central 1986 098 Q 9 Mark Rosenbalm Merrillville 1989 103 Q 9 Scott Mendenhall Western 1991 103 Q 9 Kevin Winegardner Lafayette Jefferson 1989 103 Q 9 Craig Elper Evansville Mater Dei 1991 103 Q 9 Matt Decker Norwell 1983 105 1 10 Scott Ellis Warren Central 1985 098 1 10 Keith Huddleston Avon 1990 103 1 10 Jason Terry Indy Cathedral 1993 103 1 10 Patrick Cassidy Bloomington North 2007 103 1 10 Camden Eppert Anderson Highland 1984 098 2 10 Darryn Swanson S. B. LaSalle 1994 103 2 10 Kevin Head Evansville Mater Dei 1995 100 2 10 David Combs Bloomington South 1995 106 2 10 Travis Beach Princeton 2001 103 2 10 Macke Craig Evansville Mater Dei 2002 103 2 10 Jose Escobedo Griffith 1981 098 3 10 Greg Freije Avon 1981 105 3 10 Doug Brewer Ft. Wayne Wayne 1983 105 3 10 Craig Campbell Delta 1985 098 3 10 Andy Parkinson Delta 1987 098 3 10 Mark Rosenbalm Merrillville 1989 103 3 10 Robert Taylor Warsaw 1992 103 3 10 Josh Hutchens Plymouth 1995 100 3 10 Leroy Vega Portage 1996 103 3 10 Scott Weaver Indy Cathedral 1997 103 3 10 Nick Iannarelli Elkhart Memorial 2008 103 3 10 Brandon Nelsen Lawrence North 1982 098 4 10 Ben Reichel Indy Northwest 1983 098 4 10 Jay Mack Merrillville 1983 105 4 10 Andy Eckert Huntington North 1984 098 4 10 Chip Elderkin Evansville Mater Dei 1984 105 4 10 Troy Roe Adams Central 1985 098 4 10 Steve Doherty Jeffersonville 1995 100 4 10 Corey Williams Indy Brebeuf 1999 103 4 10 Aaron Clark Franklin Community 2005 103 4 10 David Shepherd Western 2008 103 4 10 Anthony Hawkins Crown Point 1994 103 5 10 Mac Taylor New Castle 1996 103 5 10 Greg Schaefer Evansville Mater Dei 1999 103 5 10 Adam Moreno Portage 2000 103 5 10 Ian Barclay LaPorte 1986 098 6 10 Junior Smith Lakeland 1987 098 6 10 Troy Gerke Bellmont 1991 103 6 10 Derek Crousore New Castle 1994 103 6 10 Jake Harreld Carmel 2001 103 6 10 Nic May Peru 2002 103 6 10 Greg Roberts Goshen 2004 103 6 10 Joshua Sung Hamilton Southeastern 2006 103 6 10 Connor Zuber Evansville Memorial 2007 103 6 10 Alex Johns Evansville Reitz 2008 103 6 10 Matt Milton Center Grove 1995 100 7 10 Brian Smiley Plainfield 1995 106 7 10 Nick Hull Lawrence Central 1997 103 7 10 Adam Doherty Jeffersonville 1998 103 7 10 Matt Birner Peru 1999 103 7 10 Frank Wynne Beech Grove 2003 103 7 10 Santana Adame Griffith 2005 103 7 10 Derek Nelson Bellmont 2008 103 7 10 Paul Beck Mishawaka 1994 103 8 10 Ryan Schoettle Indy Roncalli 1995 106 8 10 Floyd Chambers Madison 2000 103 8 10 Russell Smiley Warren Central 2005 103 8 10 Matt Fields Whiteland 2007 103 8 10 Francisco Colon Columbus North 1992 103 Q 10 Bill Leinweber Hammond Clark 1992 103 Q 10 Ted Phillips Merrillville 1992 103 Q 10 Antwain Batemon Indy Broad Ripple 1992 103 Q 10 Jesse Bender Warren Central 1993 103 Q 10 Rocky Reinhard Whitko 1993 103 Q 10 Jason Barbosa Muncie Southside 1994 103 Q 10 Brad Lee Delta 1994 103 Q 10 Matt Hardman Ft. Wayne Dwenger 1994 103 Q 10 Ryan Elmore Lebanon 1995 100 Q 10 Bruce McCormick Alexandria 1995 100 Q 10 Gary Schmucker NorthWood 1995 106 Q 10 Casey Stouffer Southwood 1996 103 Q 10 Derek Black Madison 1996 103 Q 10 John Labo Vincennes Lincoln 1996 103 Q 10 Nick Silva E. Chicago Central 1996 103 Q 10 Bob Donaldson Lebanon 1997 103 Q 10 Wes Gibson Beech Grove 1997 103 Q 10 Scott Maddox Taylor 1998 103 Q 10 Mike Shaw Indy Cathedral 1998 103 Q 10 Nathan Peterson Floyd Central 1998 103 Q 10 Andy Heacox Hagerstown 1999 103 Q 10 Bobby Ausbrooks Evansville Mater Dei 1999 103 Q 10 Joey Van Skyock Jay County 1999 103 Q 10 Ian Gard Lawrence North 2000 103 Q 10 Anyhony Boley Warsaw 2000 103 Q 10 Scott Klusmeier New Albany 2001 103 Q 10 Jason Sayre New Castle 2001 103 Q 10 David Fields Perry Meridian 2001 103 Q 10 Danny Norman New Palestine 2002 103 Q 10 Felipe Perez Frankfort 2002 103 Q 10 Gary Landuyt S. B. Washington 2002 103 Q 10 Randy Gerber Bluffton 2002 103 Q 10 Brad Spine Floyd Central 2002 103 Q 10 Aaron Buchler Lake Central 2003 103 Q 10 Tyler Pino Lawrence North 2004 103 Q 10 Brice Cleland Pike 2004 103 Q 10 Troy Hil Portage 2004 103 Q 10 Adam Andrews Elkhart Memorial 2004 103 Q 10 Terrance Hublard New Albany 2004 103 Q 10 Steve Salinas S. B. Clay 2004 103 Q 10 Cody Weiss Heritage Hills 2005 103 Q 10 Nick Wiesjahn Mishawaka 2005 103 Q 10 Travis Smoker Prairie Heights 2005 103 Q 10 Benjamin Kesterman Triton Central 2006 103 Q 10 Justin Wight Homestead 2006 103 Q 10 Richard Rackley Franklin Central 2006 103 Q 10 Tyler Mantel Zionsville 2006 103 Q 10 Brett Eads Corydon Central 2006 103 Q 10 Andrew Kepchar Merrillville 2008 103 Q 10 Zac Stevens Merrillville 2008 103 Q 10 Luke Scholfield Franklin Community 2008 103 Q 10 Matthew Miller Northwestern 2008 103 Q 10 Jacob McCarthy Mount Vernon (Fortville) 2008 103 Q 10 Dylan Hall Evansville Harrison 1981 105 Q 10 Charles Thomas Muncie Southside 1985 098 Q 10 Jim Hines Hobart 1985 105 Q 10 Kevin Huddleston Avon 1991 103 Q 10 Michael Galbreath Madison 1984 105 Q 0 10 Tom Magiera Merrillville 1986 098 Q 0 10 Todd Weaver Waldron 1991 103 Q 0 10 Tim Baumgart Evansville Mater Dei 1984 098 Q 1 10 Scott Miller Lake Central 1985 098 Q 1 10 Brad Trimble Owen Valley 1985 098 Q 2 10 Todd Mansker Yorktown 1985 105 Q 2 10 Ed Nowlin Culver Military 1982 105 Q 10 Scott Mundell Merrillville 1984 105 Q 10 Robert Ford Warsaw 1985 105 Q 10 Mike Sego Bloomington North 1989 103 Q 10 Jerry Brawley Martinsville 1985 098 Q 10 Derek Bocock Lawrence Central 1986 105 Q 10 Dennis Tragesser Culver Military 1987 105 Q 10 Scott Ferguson Castle 1989 103 Q 10 Brian Gaines Northwestern 1984 098 Q 10 Gilbert Durham Indy Cathedral 1985 105 Q 10 Tom Brown Highland 1986 098 Q 10 Geoff Glogas Jay County 1990 103 Q 10 Marlin Stewart Indy Brebeuf 1991 103 Q 10 Schawn Ponsler Alexandria 1981 098 Q 10 John Runkle Knox 1981 105 Q 10 Mike Silverman Carmel 1983 098 Q 10 Ed Clark Franklin Central 1984 098 Q 10 Tim Afanador Bloomington South 1985 098 Q 10 Hugh Waddington Lawrence North 1986 105 Q 10 Dan Ireland Floyd Central 1987 098 Q 10 Tom Keeley Mishawaka 1991 103 Q 10 Eric Wilson Valparaiso 1983 105 Q 10 Barry Buffington Calumet 1984 105 Q 10 Craig Alstott Floyd Central 1985 098 Q 10 Troy Kitchel Logansport 1988 103 Q 10 Todd Frantz Logansport 1989 103 Q 10 Matt Stevens Evansville Harrison 1990 103 Q 10 Devon Nelson Mishawaka 1986 098 Q 10 Juan Barrantes Harding 1988 103 Q 10 Scott Wilson Rushville 1990 103 Q 10 Chris Patrick Warsaw 1981 105 Q 10 Rodney Robison Lowell 1982 098 Q 10 Tony Smith Calumet 1983 098 Q 10 Oliver Richmond Ft. Wayne Elmhurst 1983 105 Q 10 Greg Buehler Bloomington North 1984 098 Q 10 Mike Bowling Indy Roncalli 1990 103 Q 10 Steve Hofer Franklin County 1985 098 Q 10 Mike Happe Evansville Mater Dei 1986 105 Q 10 Brad Bontrager Goshen 1987 098 Q 10 Mike Love Western 1990 103 Q 10 Ken Spitznagle Lafayette Jefferson TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 TheAncientElder, Again, I'm not worried about who was good 10, 15, 20 years ago. I'm worried about the state of the weight class, NOW, in the present. You think most of the guys you just listed wouldn't have successful high school careers if they happened to have wrestled 112 underweight for one (maybe two) years? Eliminating the "midgets until they grow up" for less forfeits. I'd do it without losing any sleep. You're not really surprised that list is as big as it is of underclassmen since it is an underclassmen weight class? I wouldn't expect to see as many successful freshman and sophomores at 145 since it's a junior and senior driven weight class. Also when did I ever suggest that 103 lbers were "one name, one-time wonders?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
former130 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 TheAncientElder, Again, I'm not worried about who was good 10, 15, 20 years ago. I'm worried about the state of the weight class, NOW, in the present. You think most of the guys you just listed wouldn't have successful high school careers if they happened to have wrestled 112 underweight for one (maybe two) years? Eliminating the "midgets until they grow up" for less forfeits. I'd do it without losing any sleep. You're not really surprised that list is as big as it is of underclassmen since it is an underclassmen weight class? I wouldn't expect to see as many successful freshman and sophomores at 145 since it's a junior and senior driven weight class. So 103# state champs and placers are inferior in your eyes because they wrestle underclassmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblearmbar Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 At last someone has hit the nail on the head. Until other sports mandate that underclassmen cannot participate on varsity them long live103. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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