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This is just like the 1995 weight class changes. Those changes didn't make any sense and cut 2 weight classes out of the middle making a 100lb and 215 weight class. We will have to deal with it and hopefully like 1995 everyone will come to their sense and correct it. I liked the weight classes the way they were. We fight to fill the top classes every year and have kids wrestle up to try and fill them. I need to get some of what you guys are going to use to put on all this mass by next year. Let me know so we can put on 25-30 pounds (of lean muscle mass) in the next 6 months. We have some weight classes to fill.

I understand where everyone is coming from thinking class wrestling and more schools and kids winning championships will grow the sport. I just don't buy into it. Lets be honest and just say we want a better chance to get a medal, not this is going to make wrestling the sport every kids wants to participate in. Wrestling is such a tough sport, it just does not fit for most kids in our society today. If winning sectionals or regionals or semi-states (I can't say state because we haven't done that) will increase numbers, I will tell you it has not helped us. We still fight to fill a team every year - and we are a "5 A school" If having state place winners or state champions will increase numbers, I will tell you it has not helped us. We still fight to fill a team every year - and we are a "5A school" You say it will increase college scholarship opportunities - from all the college coaches I have talked to they look at the kids who wrestle at Fargo, it doesn't matter if they are a 3-4 time 1A champ or 3A champ. They said kids who wrestle at Fargo show they are committed. I really don't care if we go class in team, but I don't want class in the Individual tournament. I just don't buy in to the idea that class will increase the numbers of kids who wrestle in Indiana.

Yes, it can be worked out and I will even autograph them.

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I hope you see this before y2 deletes it - Coach Tonte, the rest of the Perry Meridian coaching staff and the TEAM congrats on an outstanding season and State Championship. I know how hard you and your wrestlers have worked to get here. Bob Harmon Castle

tspray1- if your comment was to me - no, I'm just giving you my experiences with the IHSAA and how they think. If you are passionate about something go for it (the IHSAA said that to us). Just don't blame the IHSWCA for any of this, we have fought for everything our membership has been in favor of. It is easy to sit back and say this is how it should be, but dealing with the IHSAA is different. They control everything and twist everything to favor what they want. Don't try and compare sports, they have an answer. Don't try and say your sport is different, they have an answer. Like I said at the fall clinic - propose what the membership wants even if we might lose. Just keep fighting, but remember it is the IHSAAs final decision. If they are ready for class in individual then we will get it, but be ready it will be on their terms. You may not like the final decision. They told us the individual tournament would not change when we got team state and the next year there was no score and no champion. We could go back to my day when we had a sectional that started on thursday and ended on sat. and only the champ advanced, 8 man regional and only the champ advanced, 8 man bracket at state - first round losers out, losers in semi-finals wrestle for 3-4 and no class.

Again you guys just don't get it. If you go to 3 classes in the individual you are not going to get 16 state qualifiers per class. Do you realy think the IHSAA will give us 48 state qualifiers per class per 14 weight classes? If you go 2 classes they won't give us 16 qualifiers per class per 14 weight classes. Do you really think they will give us 32 state qualifiers per class per 14 weight classes? I have delt with them enough to know the answer to those questions. If they gave us team state they would give us 4 teams to state for 2 classes and 2 teams to state for 3 classes. You would lose 2 teams by going 3 classes. If I had to guess the same teams that domonate the team tournament today would dominate their classes also. It may just be me, but I just don't see classing wrestling as being the savior to wrestling in Indiana. I don't think individual or class team will ignite an explosion of kids now wrestling in Indiana. Wrestling is such a tough sport and we as a society are becoming weaker by the day. Kids don't want to work hard. Kids don't want to put themselves out there and lose with no excuses, no one else to blame for their failure. I don't believe that class team or class individual will inspire some school to now become a wrestling power. We also have the fight with football to deal with, you can see the impact that had on us this year after 2 final 4 appearances. If what you say is true about getting to state, we should have kids beating our door down to wrestle. We are like most everyone else and have to fight to get kids out. I have been coaching wrestling longer than most of you on here and every year we never know who we will have or not have. We have to fight football, fight the grades excuses, fight the its not fun anymore excuse and on and on it goes. I don't think class wrestling will solve these problems. The bottom line is until the IHSAA wants class wrestling for all individual sports then it will not happen. It is not the IHSWCA decision or Y2's decision, it is ultimately the IHSAA's decision.

I said to myself I was not getting back on here but when you delete a post I have to. Why did you delete nicksters post? All he said was whatever y2. Now for the record we have proposed class wrestling in the past like JD put on here a few months ago. You guys just don't get it - the IHSAA is not going to class wrestling unless it is ready to class all individual sports. You can propose all you want and come up with all kinds of great ideas, but they will decide if they want it or not. The statement was made months ago "Even if it's standing room only, this will be the last year" (team state). I believe the IHSAA wants only one champion and they like the old individual format the best. I think you will find coaches will agree to class the team tournament, but most would be infavor of the individual staying one class. I might be wrong, but I just don't think classing wrestling will create this explosion of kids participating in wrestling. Wrestling is just such a tough sport and our society is becoming softer by the day. You also have the fight with football, which you can see hurt us this year after 2 final four appearances. Like I have stated before if you go 2 classes I think the IHSAA will only advance 4 per clas to state and its a good chance it will be the close to the same 6-8 everyone complains about. If it were a 3 class tournament I think the IHSAA would only advance 2 to the finals. Now only 6 teams would advance. Don't blame the IHSWCA officers for this, they have always fought for what the majority of the membership wanted. The IHSWCA has made many proposals only to be shot down bythe IHSAA. The IHSAA holds the upperhand, if they decide they want class we will get it if not we won't.

Castle Athletic Director John Evers will retire at the end of this school year. If you see him at Roberts Stadium this weekend thank him for his support of wrestling. John has run the SIAC and Sectional seeding meetings for the past 17 years. He has been tournament director of the SIAC, Sectional and Regional tournaments for 17 years. He help with the running of the Evansville Semi-State when it first was moved to Evansville. Most importantly while on the Athletic Directors board he spoke in favor of wrestle-backs at the Regional and Semi-State levels. Give him a big thank-you for his support of Indiana wrestling if you see him.

ahawkeye- starts at 9:00 quarterfinals - wrestle straight through with a few short breaks - the finals usually are around 2:00 if I remember correctly. Bring your son all day, my three kids spent a lot of Saturdays in that gym when they were little. Just hope no snow in the morning. good luck and a safe day for all wrestlers

Coach Snyder - I don't believe losing team state will reduce the number of dual meets and super duals. The super dual started becoming popular in the late 80s when the state champion was still determined by the individual tournament. Super duals were the death of the week night dual and I believe the super dual may have hurt wrestling because of the long Saturdays it has created. Right now we wrestle in 3 individual tournaments during the season and we won't add more just because we may lose team state. When I was in high school it was all duals during the week(tue.+thur.). We only wrestled the county tournament and a holiday tournament. We didn't wrestle a bunch of individual tournaments because the state was individual. Don't get me wrong I don't want to lose team state - it took us 10 years to get it. I just don't think the arguements given to keep it are right. I don't believe it will increase numbers in wrestling even if you class it. If you class it there will still be certain schools that will dominate it like now. If there are 3 classes I don't think more than 2 will advance to the championship, if you have 2 classes I think only 4 will advance not 8 like the current one class team state. I just don't think the IHSAA will advance 8 teams to state per class. What I would like to see is keep the Team tournament (I think it is done though) and go back to scoring the individual. When the individual was scored and the scores flashed up on the scoreboard it was pretty exciting for those of us old enough to remember it. Last year's team race in the individual would have added to the excitement of the tournament. Maligned- In 1997 Oklahoma State was the favorite and Iowa (Gable's last year) came in and won it . The best dual meet team in college didn't win it that year. I hope we don't lose team state, but I think they made their decision back in November. At the same time I don't think if we lose it that less kids will wrestle and programs will be lost.

I believe track is proposing both individual and team for 2 classes. If the majority of the IHSWCA wants to propose class for individual or team they would have to show the IHSAA that a majority of the association was in favor of it. They told us they looked for 95-100% as a majority. This is why we did the survey at the sectional seeding meeting to get all coaches and schools polled. We did this because they told us that the IHSWCA didn't represent all the coaches because not all were members and Bobby would make comments that "There were only 100 coaches at the clinic when the proposal was decided on. The problem is even when we used our polls from the sectional seeding meeting and had over 90% of members in favor - it didn't matter we still lost at the Executive Board vote. We hurt ourselves by not being members and not attending the fall and spring clinic. We hurt ourselves fighting on this board and they do look at this board. Bobby over the years has made comments about things said on here or the old web site. Their favorite thing to say is "You wrestling coaches don't know what you want." The IHSAA will want to see a plan for class wrestling 2-3 classes. They told us they like 2 classes to start and then increase as needed. The IHSAA will want to see that there are enough schools (Principals and ADs) willing to host these events. The IHSAA will want to see that there are enough officials to cover these events. That was always something Bobby said "We almost don't have enough officials to cover the tournament now." The IHSAA will want to know the cost to them - travel expenses, facility expenses, official expenses and support staff expense. What is the debt/profit margin? You will need to find some Principals and ADs that will speak up and support class wrestling at the IHSAA Board meeting. I have been told they are happy with the individual tournament and don't want to change it except go back to the old way of scoring it and drop the team dual tournament. The only way I see wrestling going class is if the IHSAA wants to do it - not that the wrestling coaches want it.

First - Thanks JD for all the time you have put in to trying to improve wrestling in Indiana. Alot of people don't realize how much you have done for Indiana wrestling and how badly you will be missed as an IHSWCA officer. Second- The bottom line is the IHSAA didn't vote in favor of class for wrestling because they were not ready to class all the other individual sports. If the IHSAA wants to class all individual sports then it will class wrestling, but not until then. If one goes class they will all go class. They were not infavor of classing individual sports at the time of our proposals - team sports only. They like to say wrestling is an individual sport, not team, when it benefits their stand against class for wrestling Like I stated in another thread - track is going to propose class this year (2 classes). I have also heard that the IHSAA may be more willing to listen to class for individual sports. I didn't say they would do it, just they may be a little more willing to listen. They also really like our Individual State Tournament and don't want to change it. They think it has been very successful and don't want to do something that they think might hurt it. It doesn't matter which individual sport proposes class it will not happen until the IHSAA wants individual sports classed.

I was talking with someone yesterday that has a pretty good connection to the IHSAA. He said that even if there was a large turn out for team state he didn't think that would save it. Bobby wants it to go away. When I mentioned the talk about class he said that Track was going to propose a 2 class system this year. This might just be the right time to go in and propose a 2 class system for team state. My source said they don't want to mess with the individual tournament, but they do miss the team scoring. They want to go back to the old way of scoring and crowning a state champion. To be honest I miss watching the team scores flash up like in the old days of MSA . If the majority of the IHSWCA wants class for team state I think this would be a good time to go for it. You can't worry about maybe not getting it. What are we proposing this year? How many of our membership are in favor of class team state? Who will host these sites for team state - sectional, regional, semi-state and state ? Do we have enough officials to cover these sites? These are questions the IHSAA will want answers to. I don't have a problem with class team state, but what impact will this have on individual state? I think our Individual state tournament is the greatest show the IHSAA puts on and I have had a number of IHSAA members, Principals and ADs tell me the same. They don't want to change it. Friday night opening and Saturday night under the lights are an unbelieveable experience both as a spectator and participant. I like a one class individual state champion.

Yes, to be honest with you if the commissioner or assistant commissioner said " the team tournament needs to go away" we are probably "pissing in the wind" and their argument will be all the coaches they talk to are against it. I talked to a number of coaches at the fall clinic and the majority didn't care about the team tournament. To be honest the only ones who really cared about it are the ones who participated in it. Yes, we were there the last two years but I hate to let the IHSAA take something away that we worked so hard to get. It took us 14 years to get there and we may never go back again, but why let them take it away? Now if you said class it , it was a different story. If you want to go for class then here is what you do: Get your numbers - show your officers that the majority of the coaches in the association want team class or individual class. I would only go after one, not both. If the majority of the association members want to go after team class, then it it is the responsibility, it is the moral obligation of the association officers to go after it. It doesn't matter if you think you can win or not - if the majority of the memberships wants team class then it is your obligation as an officer to propose it - win or lose. I was an officer and I didn't always agree with everything, but it was my responsibility, my duty to represent our membership. I never cared if I thought we would win or lose, if the majority people who elected me wanted to go after something then I went after it. Here is what you need to do: Show the IHSAA that the majority (90-100%) of the IHSWCA membership is in favor of team class or individual class. Go after TWO classes to start with. Show them that we have enough schools willing to host the event. Show them that we have enough officials to cover the event. Show them that it will not be a long event. ( they don't want to spent alot of time in the gym) Show them that this will be profitable to the IHSAA - not that this is good for our kids, they don't care! The bottom line though is if the IHSAA thinks this is profitable to the IHSAA you will get what you want, but if not then you just pissed in the wind. BUT if class is what you are after then just keep "pissing in the wind" - I mean KEEP FIGHTING EVEN IF THEY SHOOT YOU DOWN AGAIN AND AGAIN ! If we worried about the IHSAA shooting us down we would still be advancing only the champions and 8 to state. Make the proposal the majority are in favor of and let the chips fall .

I'm not sure how old some of you are, but class wrestling has been proposed to the IHSAA by our association in the past. This began even before basketball was classed. Each time it was shot down. The IHSAA wanting to maybe drop the Team State tournament is nothing new. During the time I was president and vice president each proposal year a member of the Executive Board asked if we would give up the Team Tournament and go back to the old format and maybe get wrestlebacks with it. It is not up to us if we want class this or class that, it is totally the IHSAA's decision. We could have 100% of all coaches and programs say they want class team or class individual and it wouldn't matter. The bottom line is the IHSAA will want to know : who will host these class events ? (better not interfere with a basketball game) how will we get the officials for these class events ? how much will this coast the IHSAA ?-travel expense, officials, tournament directors, supplies etc. how profitable will this be for the IHSAA ? The IHSAA just wants to run a tournament to determine a champion. They will ask wrestling coaches "How many times do you have to lose to be out?" Don't try to use other sports to compare them - they will have a reason why you can't compare them, but they will compare them when it benefits there point. Don't use the argument that this guy got upset and the two best are not advancing. They will say "The two best met in the football sectional thats just the way it goes - we just want to determine a champion" If the IHSAA thinks that class wrestling would be good and profitable for the IHSAA they will class it. They don't care what is good for wrestling. They will tell us "You wrestling coaches don't know what you want." - they will point to the arguments like this thread as an example. They will say coaches tell them they want class, they want team, they want wrestlebacks, but they can't agree on anything. Everyone knows I would never be for classing the Individual tournament, thats just my traditional old man view. The point is my view doesn't matter. If the IHSAA wants to class it they will - if they don't they won't. If they want to class the team they will, if they don't they won't. If you ever get the chance to be on an committee to the IHSAA or be an IHSWCA officer do it. In my younger years I used to get pretty fired up and vocal at the fall and spring clinic business meetings. I got a chance to be on some committees and serve as president and vice-president -what an eye opener on how the IHSAA works. I just hope everyone can get together and do whats best for Indiana wrestling and our kids - not whats best for my program or how does this benefit me? I just wanted to let you know class wrestling has been proposed in the past , the sad fact is that it ultimately comes down to what the IHSAA wants.

Congrats to Yorktown on an outstanding season. Congrats to Mishawaka on winning the state title. For the record I would like to say we would only want to wrestle Yorktown at their full strength. We put our 14 best out there and they put their 14 best out there and it was a heck of a dual meet! If you are going to make statements on here that question a teams integrity then have the guts to post under your name, not a screen name. If what you are saying is true then say it and don't hide behind a screen name. I feel very strongly about this, I hate that you can say something that may not be true and hide behind a screen name. I worked a clinic this past summer for Yorktown and New Castle and I think they are pretty upstanding guys. I find it hard to believe they would looked the other way if a kid had violated a rule just to win. Give us some concrete evidence and sign your real name. Bob Harmon Castle

I was thinking of that match the other day, must have been the snow. It was 1985 at New Castle. Somehow the score was tied, they went out of bounds and came back to center with about 2 seconds left. Oliver hit a duckunder and came up with his finger pointed up in the #1 position. Everyone thought it was going overtime and it ended in a flash. Another great match was when the team title came down to the match between Bellmont and Cathedral. If I remember right Paul Gunset of Bellmont cut the Cathedral kid late in the match several times to tie it and then as time was running out cut him again for the takedown to win the individual as well as Team State title. That was when we still kept team score on the big scoreboard(at MSA) and everyone knew what was going on. Too bad we still don't score individual state like the old days. In fact I think the 1985 title came down to the finals match between the kid from Delta and the kid from Muncie South.

Since about 1985 the Southern Semi-State has been at Bloominting South, Bloomington North, Seymour and Evansville. I don't know about you guys but Bloomington and Seymour is not south to me. Until the Semi-State was moved to Evansville we had to travel to Seymour 3 hours, losing an hour to the time zone, then the next week travel back to Indy 3.5 hours also losing an hour. When you went to Seymour there were more fans from our Southwest corner of the state than anywhere else. Why should our teams and fans have to travel 2 weekends in a row 3 hours away? Its even crazier to mention the Hulman Center or Hinkle Fieldhouse as possible "Southern" Semi-State locations. Our basketball team back in2002 won the regional at Seymour and the next week played semi-state at Hinkle Fieldhouse. We drove 3.5 hours and Pike drove 10 minutes. How fair was that? I hope the Semi-State never leaves Evansville.

My oldest daughter is the head softball coach at Penn. She called me when Sarah won that tournament back in December. She said she is a great kid and told me how hard a worker she was. Sarah, good luck at Semi-State this weekend. Coach Harmon Castle

I'm getting tired of this. Mr. Fisher, First The scales were placed in the weigh-in room 30 minutes before weigh-in, not 10 minutes before weigh-in as you state. This is a fact the scales were in the weigh-in room at 7:30AM. I ask any coach who wishes to dipute this fact to come forward. We have hosted the Castle Invitational, SIAC, Sectional and Regional tournaments every year since I have been here (26 years). This is not our first time around the block so to say. We know what we are doing and run a great tournament. No one missed weight or questioned a scale at any of these events until Saturday at the Regional, and that was 1 kid out of 112 and 1 coach out of 18 teams. Second You state that you arrived and checked weight. The wrestler in question was .4 over on one scale and not the other. There was no sense of urgency. This is the first time I have heard he was .4 over. Earlier post say right on when he got there and then went and laid around on the mat until weigh-ins. You then stated after you checked weight that you went out and drilled. Which is it? Did he lay around after weigh-in because he was on as stated earlier or drill because he was .4 over? Was he right on at his weight check or .4 over? If one of my wrestlers was .4 over with less than 10 minutes to weight-in, as you stated the scales were not out until 10 minutes to official weigh-in, I would be very concerned. I would feel a sense of urgency. Third Any time you push the START button on a scale it ZEROs the scale out. Sometimes when you start a scale it will read .1 or 1.1 or -2, you just push start again and it ZEROs out. Anyone around the sport of wrestling knows this. If this is not a true statement then let me know. No one tampered with or readjusted a scale on Saturday at the Castle Regional. When you manipulate the words and say things like "readjust or recalibrate a scale" that makes you think someone cheated. I don't get how you guys don't see that. How about say "they turned the scale on and zeroed it out" like every other Regional in the state on Saturday. Every scale in the state was ZEROed out on Saturday, numerous times. You guys manipulated the words to get what you wanted which was your kid, who failed to make weight on both scales, the chance to wrestle. Congratulations, job well done. Fourth You say I called Scott Ferguson out? He called Castle High School, my assistant coaches and myself out when he said that the scales had been tampered with. I stated in the coaches meeting that I wanted to go on record that I was not a cheater, never have been a cheater nor ever will be a cheater. Scott sat back and said nothing. Reitz people got on here first and if anyone was reading this they would come to the conclusion that Castle coaches had tampered with or recalibrated the scales. In essence the perception would be we are cheaters. Why do we need to make sure 1 kid doesn't make weight? We advance 13 to the Regional and 11 to Semi-State. We are going to represent the south at Team State why would we ever readjust or recalibrate a scale to make sure 1 kid out of 112 doesn't make weight? You don't have to like me, I wear my emotions on my sleeve, but I'm not a cheater. I, nor would any of my coaches, ever manipulate a scale or do anything dishonest to try and gain an advantage in the athletic arena. Bob Harmon Head Coach Castle High school 2003 IHSWCA Hall of Fame Inductee

When Scott Ferguson protested the weigh in and said he had 4 witnesses that the scale had been tampered with then you are calling us cheaters. I didn't put this on here first. If you read on this forum the scales had been tampered with by the coaches then what conclusion would you come to? You would think somebody is a cheater. When Scott Ferguson went to Mr. Evers and protested it he was in essence calling someone at Castle a cheater. When Mr. Evers called Bobby Cox, it became a public forum. What do you think Bobby Cox of the IHSAA thinks? That someone from Castle's coaching staff tampered with the scale? In essence we were being called a cheater again. We are only refering to one scale, he still didn't make weight on the other one, that fact has been lost in all of this. Anyone who read this before I made my statement would think that we had tampered with the scale so only one kid out of 112 didn't make weight. Reitz made it a public forum yesterday morning. Everyone in the gym was talking about it. Everyone was wondering if the scales had been tampered with, which in essence is saying someone at the host school had tampered with the scale. If anyone says the scales were tampered with you are in essence calling my staff or me a cheater. This is a life lesson that sometimes when things don't go your way some people will resort to any means to get what they want no matter what the consequences. The integrity and character of Castle High School, my coaching staff and myself have been questioned. I got on here only after this was brought up by somebody else and those uninformed were going to draw the conclusion that someone at Castle must have tampered with the scale so only one kid wouldn't make weight.. My only intention is to defend my school and the integrity of the sport of wrestling. Bob Harmon

Thanks John, in my 29 years as a head coach I've never seen anything like this. Scott Ferguson - I'm still waiting for your respone. Am I a cheater and a liar? Did I or one of my assistants recalibrate or adjust the scale. Tell me who saw the scale recalibrated or was it ZEROED OUT. Who recalibrated or adjusted a scale? How did 111 kids make weight(and not have to challenge on the other scale), and only one not make weight and have to go to the other scale and still not make weight? Did we recalebrate or readjust the other scale that he still didn't make weight on? I don't like being called a cheater and a liar on a public forum nor do I appreciate anyone from Castle High School's coaching staff being called a cheater or liar. You called me a cheater - come out on a public forum and say it if it is true. Come on Scoott if you 100% believe I'm a cheater then tell everyone what you think and use your real name. If you 100% believe that I or one of my assistants would change a scale so only your one one kid would'nt make weight then say it. I am not a cheater, never have been a cheater or never will be a cheater - what about you?

First let me say that I take offense to anyone who says we (CASTLE or Bob Harmon) did any thing to the scales. I am not a cheater, have never been a cheater and never will be a cheater. Castle High School is not a cheater, has never been a cheater and never will be a cheater. These are the same two scales this kid weighed in on at SIAC. The scale in question was ZEROED OUT, let me repeat the SCALE IN QUESTION WAS ZEROED OUT,the second scale ( the scale not in question) the kid missed weight by 3 tenths. I think anyone who has been around wrestling knows what ZEROED OUT means. I nor any of my assistant coaches know how to calerbrate or adjust an electronic scale. If you did adjust or recalebrate an electronic scale I would guess it would take some time to do and would have been witnessed by alot of people checking their weight. Every other kid who weighed in(111kids) made weight. NO OTHER KID EVEN HAD TO CHALLENGE ON THE OTHER SCALE. Damn, we must be pretty good to single one kid out and readjust a scale so only he doesn't make weight. Damn, we forgot to readjust the other scale. Guess what - he still didn't make weight. igrapple2 I'm calling you out - tell the truth - I know you are Scott Ferguson - call me a cheater and a liar on this public forum. I don't hide behind a screen name like the rest of these gutless people on here - tell everyone that I'm a liar and I adjusted the scales so only your kid wouldn't make weight. If you feel so strongly that your kid was done wrong and that I or any of my assistant coaches readjusted or recalerbrated the scales then have the balls to say it right here on a public forum. I don't know when or where you lost your sense of what is right and what is wrong, but if you really believe what you are saying (that we messed with the scales) then I feel sorry for you. You have lost your sense of what is right and wrong. You wrestled for me back in the late 80s - did you ever see us do anything like what you are accusing us of now? I hate to say it - but your not the kid I coached. I love to win, but not at all cost. I would never cheat to win. Bob Harmon Head Wrestling Coach Castle High School How about the rest of you sign your name - not a screen name to hide behind

formerchamp This is the best time of the year. Thank you for serving your country so our young men can have the freedom to wrestle in this tournament. Stay safe and hopefully you'll be home soon and watch some wrestling in person.