TheAncientElder

Following the tradition !!! Briar Runyan is the next in a line of Martinsville wrestlers that have moved from wrestling to serving their country. Briar Runyan (2006-2009). Currently undefeated and ranked first at 160 lbs. Runner-up at 152 as a junior State Qualifier at 152 as a sophomore Has just accepted an appointment to the West Point Military Academy. He follows: Eli Myers (1998-2001). Eli was a two time State qualifier (103-112) with a varsity record of 100-17. He holds the school record of 38 consecutive wins. Eli was appointed to West Point in 2001. Richard Neal (1986-1989). Richard was the 145 lb IHSAA State Champion in ?89. He served in the Marine Corp. from 90 to 93. All-Marine Corp. 92-93. All-American at the US Open in ?91. All-American at the University Nationals in ?92. ?AND NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY? So when you are going south on Ind. 37 make sure you stop at Ind. 37 and Ind. 252 and salute. SEMPER FI

"maybe the number one seeds should have just worked harder....and warmed up..they must not have wanted to be a TRUE state champion only TRUE Sectional, regional and semi state champions can advance so we have just the state Semifinals to watch" Based on your logic then we revert back to "The Old School" of wrestling. This makes for smaller regionals, semi-states, and states since only the "TRUE" champions should advance. And OH YES thanks. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

I will answer for midget. He/she will probably get their butt dusted, but it keeps the number one from a regional from setting for two hours waiting for a match. And if they can pull off the upset, more power to them. But I have witnessed too many regional champs get beaten in the round to go because they were not warmed up. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

OK, now lets take all of the figures posted on this thread and sort them out. How many of the class 1 through 10 state champions, Junior National place winners, etc., have gone on to college, based on their placing at any of these tournaments? And when you have recapped all of the data, so what? Are you looking to get these wrestlers into a college based on their HS accomplishments or build your resume as a coach? TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride.

Here goes all of my Cool Points. Nothing like being 0-5, 0-6, or 0-7 and getting a State Championship medal!!!! TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride.

Cheap Shots This is a new board for Indiana wrestling and I am sorry to say that some of the same people that were complaining on the other board are on here and doing the same. HISTORY: IHSWCA. ?The Indiana High School Wrestling Coaches Association was established in 1962 to give the coaches an organized voice in wrestling.? ?Echoes Of The Elder ? 2002? You have every opportunity to join and voice your opinion as an organized group to the IHSAA. IHSAA. The IHSAA has governed wrestling in Indiana since 1922. Again you can attend the meetings and voice your opinions. In 2002 the IHSAC (Indiana High School Athletic Congress) was formed as an alternative to the IHSAA. It died promptly for lack of support. REFEREES ASSOCIATION. The association, under the control of the IHSAA, supervises the qualification of all tournament officials (sectionals through the state). And just for the record it is tough as nails to get a state tournament assignment (and then there is a two year limit). So quit your DAMN bitchin? and get involved. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

Is it just me or do we have a reading problem? The question was: name a wrestler that has beaten a state champ and a runner-up (I assume in the same year) and not placed in the top five? Most of the answers so far have been: I beat him this year and I beat him three years ago. Did your wrestler beat the existing champion and the runner-up this year? Am I just a Grumpy Old Fart or do I have a point to make? TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

The object of wrestling, since day one, has been to pin your opponent. Anything less should be considered LESS. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride.

TripleB, I am confused, what part of the state are you from? TAE

hbmcgee, That "OLD" man was me. Please choose your words very carefully!!! I never forgive or forget. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride.

Lance Ellis of Cathedral was 177-0 Randy May of Bloomington was 89-0 TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride.

Hunter Hughes of Jeffersonville was a 4X Semi-State qualifier/participant that never made it to the big show. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride.

regionrat1, The exact quote is: "Older than dirt, Uglier than sin, Meaner than a striped snake, and Five minutes younger than GOD" TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

177 lb weight class: The 177 lb weight class was not implemented until 1973. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

The Madman of Mooresville wrestling? returned to the tournament that he created in 1971. Randy Qualitza visited the Mooresville Holiday Classic wrestling tourney for the opening round of the tourney on Tuesday. The tournament started in 1971 as an eight-team tourney as has continued to evolve. It has gone to sixteen teams (probably as big as it should get for the facility) and has moved to four other venues before returning home. It tried a team tournament format in ?95 but was not what the wrestling community wanted and returned to the individual format in ?96. The original champions were: 1971-72 098 Ron Bean Mooresville 1971-72 105 Cedrick Reicken Mt. Vernon 1971-72 112 Jon Howson Whiteland 1971-72 119 Gene Loomis Mooresville 1971-72 126 Randy Fox Lebanon 1971-72 132 Mark McGuire Mooresville 1971-72 138 Bill Galloway Whiteland 1971-72 145 Ed Gipson Danville 1971-72 155 Kerry Wilson Brownsburg 1971-72 167 Bill Atwood Mooresville 1971-72 185 Warren Grubb Mooresville 1971-72 Hwt Tim Beck Center Grove TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

royboy74, To contact LPD096 have someone go to the Krispy Kreme at the Speedway in Lowell (approach with caution) and tell the Governor of Lowell to report to the scales, he may be a tenth of a pound over. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

Karl, Thank you for posting a picture of the "Fez". At some time I expect to be presented with a second Fez to acknowledge my knowledge of the sport. And as far as the "old fart" comment I choose to ignore it at this point. But be warned I NEVER forgive or forget. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

nomercy145, e-mail me at theancientelder@comcast.net TAE

Wrestle backs: AGAINST MY BETTER JUDGMENT! I will present this argument for (or against) wrestle backs. In 1939 the tournament tried a wrestle back format for a ?true second?. The runner-up in the tournament was thrown into a pool of wrestlers that had lost in previous rounds to the eventual champ. (I like that concept: if you had not lost to the champ you really had no valid argument as to where you placed) Laban Foster, brother of Jack Foster (3x state champ from Hammond Clark), lost in first round (for the sake of arguments it looks like a pig-tail round) to eventual state champ Joe Sparks of Bloomington. He won three matches in the wrestle backs to be the declared the state runner-up for that weight class. Three rounds of wrestle backs to determine a ?true? second place. You make the call. AND NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY! TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

nutsdad, e-mail me at theancientelder@comcast.net TAE

Toby Turner (Monrovia) and Brian Bailey (Martinsville) wrestled five times in '91. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

The Dome did host the 2003 World Team Trials and the 2004 Olympic Team Trials. Anyone in attendance in 2004 got to see the 17 minute finals between Brandon Paulson and Dennis Hall. "Classic" and they let the wrestlers decide the match. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

I look at this list and I see a bunch of ?no name?, ?one time wonders?, etc Lets eliminate these midgets from the tournament until they grow up! Year, wgt., place, grade, name, school 1986 098 1 9 Lance Ellis Indy Cathedral 2000 103 1 9 John Sheets Bellmont 2005 103 1 9 Eric Galka Hobart 2006 103 1 9 Josh Harper Mishawaka 2008 103 1 9 Ethan Raley Indian Creek 1982 098 2 9 Greg Buehler Bloomington North 1999 103 2 9 Jason Cook Valparaiso 2004 103 2 9 Eric McGill Munster 2007 103 2 9 Brandon Wright Indy Cathedral 1982 098 3 9 Craig Campbell Delta 1994 103 3 9 Bill Maldonado E. Chicago Central 2004 103 3 9 Ethan Harris Beech Grove 1986 098 4 9 Scott Ferguson Castle 1998 103 4 9 Robert Maldonado E. Chicago Central 2000 103 4 9 Craig Macke Evansville Mater Dei 2002 103 4 9 Tyler Goble Bloomington South 2003 103 4 9 Danny Coyne Beech Grove 2006 103 4 9 Camden Eppert Anderson Highland 2007 103 4 9 Brandon Nelsen Lawrence North 1989 103 5 9 Jason Terry Indy Cathedral 2006 103 5 9 Justin Brooks Warsaw 2008 103 5 9 Josh Kiefer Indy Roncalli 1988 103 6 9 Robert Taylor Warsaw 1992 103 6 9 Tim Myers Bellmont 1993 103 6 9 Mac Taylor New Castle 2003 103 6 9 Marcus Miller Muncie Southside 2005 103 6 9 Chris Head Bloomington South 2000 103 7 9 Craig Warmke Lawrence North 2001 103 7 9 Jose Escobedo Griffith 2004 103 7 9 David Shepherd Western 2007 103 7 9 Jacob Tonte Perry Meridian 2002 103 8 9 Nathan Strack Columbia City 2006 103 8 9 Bryan Whitaker Muncie Southside 2008 103 8 9 Steve Gonzales Delta 1992 103 Q 9 Jeremy Bolt South Dearborn 1993 103 Q 9 Paul Maldonado E. Chicago Central 1993 103 Q 9 Chris Edwards Lawrence North 1993 103 Q 9 Josh Gayheart Lakeland 1994 103 Q 9 Darrell Carr Warsaw 1997 103 Q 9 Rene Hernandez Hammond Noll 1997 103 Q 9 Eric Keith Portage 1998 103 Q 9 Mike Chandler Portage 1998 103 Q 9 Jason Brescher Jasper 1999 103 Q 9 Andy Uhl East Noble 1999 103 Q 9 Hector Mendez E. Chicago Central 2000 103 Q 9 Matt Jaggers New Castle 2002 103 Q 9 Alex Foster North Montgomery 2003 103 Q 9 Tyler Ott Columbus North 2003 103 Q 9 Javier Salas River Forest 2003 103 Q 9 Jeffery Papiernik Ft. Wayne Snider 2003 103 Q 9 Troy Hill Portage 2003 103 Q 9 Kyle Cooper Columbus East 2003 103 Q 9 Gary Black New Castle 2004 103 Q 9 Reece Freeman Bloomington South 2004 103 Q 9 Tyson Bercot Adams Central 2005 103 Q 9 Thomas Churchard Valparaiso 2005 103 Q 9 Alex Weinzapfel Evansville Mater Dei 2006 103 Q 9 Christopher Quiroga Lawrence North 2006 103 Q 9 Will Sheets Bellmont 2007 103 Q 9 Jacob Armantrout Muncie Southside 2007 103 Q 9 Anthony Hawkins Crown Point 2007 103 Q 9 James Larowe East Noble 2008 103 Q 9 Travis Barroquillo Prairie Heights 1987 098 Q 9 Jim Bartlett South Dearborn 1984 098 Q 0 9 Mitch Hansel Marion 1990 103 Q 0 9 Wade Garrett Hagerstown 1985 105 Q 1 9 David Suits Delta 1983 105 Q 9 Troy Roe Adams Central 1990 103 Q 9 Derek Crousore New Castle 1984 098 Q 9 Derek Bocock Lawrence Central 1987 098 Q 9 Marc Foreman Muncie Southside 1990 103 Q 9 Jason Bowman Martinsville 1991 103 Q 9 Pat McCarthy McCutcheon 1983 098 Q 9 Chip Elderkin Evansville Mater Dei 1987 098 Q 9 Kris Hayward Avon 1988 103 Q 9 Todd Graham LaPorte 1990 103 Q 9 Jeremy Rivas Portage 1983 098 Q 9 Craig Alstott Floyd Central 1986 105 Q 9 Matt Puckett Franklin Central 1987 098 Q 9 Troy Schmitt Zionsville 1991 103 Q 9 Brian Jackson Lake Central 1983 098 Q 9 Mike Bowling Indy Roncalli 1983 105 Q 9 Tim Mayer Evansville Mater Dei 1985 098 Q 9 Matt Moll Indy Cathedral 1987 105 Q 9 Mark Griffiths Adams Central 1989 103 Q 9 Brandon Christensen Zionsville 1981 098 Q 9 Jim Daniels Lake Central 1986 098 Q 9 Mark Rosenbalm Merrillville 1989 103 Q 9 Scott Mendenhall Western 1991 103 Q 9 Kevin Winegardner Lafayette Jefferson 1989 103 Q 9 Craig Elper Evansville Mater Dei 1991 103 Q 9 Matt Decker Norwell 1983 105 1 10 Scott Ellis Warren Central 1985 098 1 10 Keith Huddleston Avon 1990 103 1 10 Jason Terry Indy Cathedral 1993 103 1 10 Patrick Cassidy Bloomington North 2007 103 1 10 Camden Eppert Anderson Highland 1984 098 2 10 Darryn Swanson S. B. LaSalle 1994 103 2 10 Kevin Head Evansville Mater Dei 1995 100 2 10 David Combs Bloomington South 1995 106 2 10 Travis Beach Princeton 2001 103 2 10 Macke Craig Evansville Mater Dei 2002 103 2 10 Jose Escobedo Griffith 1981 098 3 10 Greg Freije Avon 1981 105 3 10 Doug Brewer Ft. Wayne Wayne 1983 105 3 10 Craig Campbell Delta 1985 098 3 10 Andy Parkinson Delta 1987 098 3 10 Mark Rosenbalm Merrillville 1989 103 3 10 Robert Taylor Warsaw 1992 103 3 10 Josh Hutchens Plymouth 1995 100 3 10 Leroy Vega Portage 1996 103 3 10 Scott Weaver Indy Cathedral 1997 103 3 10 Nick Iannarelli Elkhart Memorial 2008 103 3 10 Brandon Nelsen Lawrence North 1982 098 4 10 Ben Reichel Indy Northwest 1983 098 4 10 Jay Mack Merrillville 1983 105 4 10 Andy Eckert Huntington North 1984 098 4 10 Chip Elderkin Evansville Mater Dei 1984 105 4 10 Troy Roe Adams Central 1985 098 4 10 Steve Doherty Jeffersonville 1995 100 4 10 Corey Williams Indy Brebeuf 1999 103 4 10 Aaron Clark Franklin Community 2005 103 4 10 David Shepherd Western 2008 103 4 10 Anthony Hawkins Crown Point 1994 103 5 10 Mac Taylor New Castle 1996 103 5 10 Greg Schaefer Evansville Mater Dei 1999 103 5 10 Adam Moreno Portage 2000 103 5 10 Ian Barclay LaPorte 1986 098 6 10 Junior Smith Lakeland 1987 098 6 10 Troy Gerke Bellmont 1991 103 6 10 Derek Crousore New Castle 1994 103 6 10 Jake Harreld Carmel 2001 103 6 10 Nic May Peru 2002 103 6 10 Greg Roberts Goshen 2004 103 6 10 Joshua Sung Hamilton Southeastern 2006 103 6 10 Connor Zuber Evansville Memorial 2007 103 6 10 Alex Johns Evansville Reitz 2008 103 6 10 Matt Milton Center Grove 1995 100 7 10 Brian Smiley Plainfield 1995 106 7 10 Nick Hull Lawrence Central 1997 103 7 10 Adam Doherty Jeffersonville 1998 103 7 10 Matt Birner Peru 1999 103 7 10 Frank Wynne Beech Grove 2003 103 7 10 Santana Adame Griffith 2005 103 7 10 Derek Nelson Bellmont 2008 103 7 10 Paul Beck Mishawaka 1994 103 8 10 Ryan Schoettle Indy Roncalli 1995 106 8 10 Floyd Chambers Madison 2000 103 8 10 Russell Smiley Warren Central 2005 103 8 10 Matt Fields Whiteland 2007 103 8 10 Francisco Colon Columbus North 1992 103 Q 10 Bill Leinweber Hammond Clark 1992 103 Q 10 Ted Phillips Merrillville 1992 103 Q 10 Antwain Batemon Indy Broad Ripple 1992 103 Q 10 Jesse Bender Warren Central 1993 103 Q 10 Rocky Reinhard Whitko 1993 103 Q 10 Jason Barbosa Muncie Southside 1994 103 Q 10 Brad Lee Delta 1994 103 Q 10 Matt Hardman Ft. Wayne Dwenger 1994 103 Q 10 Ryan Elmore Lebanon 1995 100 Q 10 Bruce McCormick Alexandria 1995 100 Q 10 Gary Schmucker NorthWood 1995 106 Q 10 Casey Stouffer Southwood 1996 103 Q 10 Derek Black Madison 1996 103 Q 10 John Labo Vincennes Lincoln 1996 103 Q 10 Nick Silva E. Chicago Central 1996 103 Q 10 Bob Donaldson Lebanon 1997 103 Q 10 Wes Gibson Beech Grove 1997 103 Q 10 Scott Maddox Taylor 1998 103 Q 10 Mike Shaw Indy Cathedral 1998 103 Q 10 Nathan Peterson Floyd Central 1998 103 Q 10 Andy Heacox Hagerstown 1999 103 Q 10 Bobby Ausbrooks Evansville Mater Dei 1999 103 Q 10 Joey Van Skyock Jay County 1999 103 Q 10 Ian Gard Lawrence North 2000 103 Q 10 Anyhony Boley Warsaw 2000 103 Q 10 Scott Klusmeier New Albany 2001 103 Q 10 Jason Sayre New Castle 2001 103 Q 10 David Fields Perry Meridian 2001 103 Q 10 Danny Norman New Palestine 2002 103 Q 10 Felipe Perez Frankfort 2002 103 Q 10 Gary Landuyt S. B. Washington 2002 103 Q 10 Randy Gerber Bluffton 2002 103 Q 10 Brad Spine Floyd Central 2002 103 Q 10 Aaron Buchler Lake Central 2003 103 Q 10 Tyler Pino Lawrence North 2004 103 Q 10 Brice Cleland Pike 2004 103 Q 10 Troy Hil Portage 2004 103 Q 10 Adam Andrews Elkhart Memorial 2004 103 Q 10 Terrance Hublard New Albany 2004 103 Q 10 Steve Salinas S. B. Clay 2004 103 Q 10 Cody Weiss Heritage Hills 2005 103 Q 10 Nick Wiesjahn Mishawaka 2005 103 Q 10 Travis Smoker Prairie Heights 2005 103 Q 10 Benjamin Kesterman Triton Central 2006 103 Q 10 Justin Wight Homestead 2006 103 Q 10 Richard Rackley Franklin Central 2006 103 Q 10 Tyler Mantel Zionsville 2006 103 Q 10 Brett Eads Corydon Central 2006 103 Q 10 Andrew Kepchar Merrillville 2008 103 Q 10 Zac Stevens Merrillville 2008 103 Q 10 Luke Scholfield Franklin Community 2008 103 Q 10 Matthew Miller Northwestern 2008 103 Q 10 Jacob McCarthy Mount Vernon (Fortville) 2008 103 Q 10 Dylan Hall Evansville Harrison 1981 105 Q 10 Charles Thomas Muncie Southside 1985 098 Q 10 Jim Hines Hobart 1985 105 Q 10 Kevin Huddleston Avon 1991 103 Q 10 Michael Galbreath Madison 1984 105 Q 0 10 Tom Magiera Merrillville 1986 098 Q 0 10 Todd Weaver Waldron 1991 103 Q 0 10 Tim Baumgart Evansville Mater Dei 1984 098 Q 1 10 Scott Miller Lake Central 1985 098 Q 1 10 Brad Trimble Owen Valley 1985 098 Q 2 10 Todd Mansker Yorktown 1985 105 Q 2 10 Ed Nowlin Culver Military 1982 105 Q 10 Scott Mundell Merrillville 1984 105 Q 10 Robert Ford Warsaw 1985 105 Q 10 Mike Sego Bloomington North 1989 103 Q 10 Jerry Brawley Martinsville 1985 098 Q 10 Derek Bocock Lawrence Central 1986 105 Q 10 Dennis Tragesser Culver Military 1987 105 Q 10 Scott Ferguson Castle 1989 103 Q 10 Brian Gaines Northwestern 1984 098 Q 10 Gilbert Durham Indy Cathedral 1985 105 Q 10 Tom Brown Highland 1986 098 Q 10 Geoff Glogas Jay County 1990 103 Q 10 Marlin Stewart Indy Brebeuf 1991 103 Q 10 Schawn Ponsler Alexandria 1981 098 Q 10 John Runkle Knox 1981 105 Q 10 Mike Silverman Carmel 1983 098 Q 10 Ed Clark Franklin Central 1984 098 Q 10 Tim Afanador Bloomington South 1985 098 Q 10 Hugh Waddington Lawrence North 1986 105 Q 10 Dan Ireland Floyd Central 1987 098 Q 10 Tom Keeley Mishawaka 1991 103 Q 10 Eric Wilson Valparaiso 1983 105 Q 10 Barry Buffington Calumet 1984 105 Q 10 Craig Alstott Floyd Central 1985 098 Q 10 Troy Kitchel Logansport 1988 103 Q 10 Todd Frantz Logansport 1989 103 Q 10 Matt Stevens Evansville Harrison 1990 103 Q 10 Devon Nelson Mishawaka 1986 098 Q 10 Juan Barrantes Harding 1988 103 Q 10 Scott Wilson Rushville 1990 103 Q 10 Chris Patrick Warsaw 1981 105 Q 10 Rodney Robison Lowell 1982 098 Q 10 Tony Smith Calumet 1983 098 Q 10 Oliver Richmond Ft. Wayne Elmhurst 1983 105 Q 10 Greg Buehler Bloomington North 1984 098 Q 10 Mike Bowling Indy Roncalli 1990 103 Q 10 Steve Hofer Franklin County 1985 098 Q 10 Mike Happe Evansville Mater Dei 1986 105 Q 10 Brad Bontrager Goshen 1987 098 Q 10 Mike Love Western 1990 103 Q 10 Ken Spitznagle Lafayette Jefferson TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

regionrat1, dogboy is currently a spectator/parent at Center Grove HS. I will continue to be a spectator, but I have to tell you I am looking for the elevators. These bleachers are killing my knees. Sam just started his first year of wrestling. I will be about 90 when this kid is a senior. I think I will demand my position as an assistant coach if he makes it to Conseco. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

rdrodd1, I have to agree with you to some degree. "Q" was in a class by himself. His intensity defied description. He coached IHSAA sectional championship teams at four different schools and was an assistant coach at still another. Not bad for a "Q-ball" TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net