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he meant made.  as in "made" by the home school mafia.
 
settle down, troll.

Stupid phone yes mad haha

This is a good example of a flaw.  
 
Would it not be more accurate to give quotas after the state tournament?  It seems illogical to give a sectional or regional a quota before they are even wrestled.  For instance,  if Mooresville sectional turns out to have very few state qualifiers  or placers, and Avon sectional ends up placing more or having more wrestlers advance further, shouldn't the numbers be adjusted? 
 
Just because a sectional or regional were weak last year does not mean the same will happen this year.  Same goes for if a sectional or regional was strong and turns out not be do as well this year.  The current year should be accounted for in the forumla.

I have!

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By JEREMY HINES
jerhines@cinergymetro.net
 
Brock Hudkins is hoping his bad luck is finally behind him.
 
The Danville junior 120-pounder has had untimely illnesses and injuries throughout his career. He broke his hand as a freshman, suffered from a severe case of dehydration at the state tournament as a sophomore and just recently recovered from a fractured finger.
 
“Brock really has had a lot of bad luck,” Danville coach Steve Pugliese said. “He broke his hand his freshman year, and then he was sick at weigh-ins at state and couldn’t wrestle as a sophomore. This year he was working out on a Friday and ended up smashing his finger severely and had to lose a month of the season.
 
“But he doesn’t let it affect him. “He understands that as long as he’s OK for the state tournament series, he can be a force.”
 
When he has been on the wrestling mats, he’s been dominate. He missed a month of this season, but has advanced to Saturday’s Evansville semistate with a perfect record. Hudkins is currently 25-0 on the year.
 
Hudkins started the season out as the No. 1 ranked 120-pounder in the state. Currently he is ranked fifth.
 
As a freshman Hudkins finished fifth at 106 pounds.
 
“I went into my high school career with the goal of winning four championships,” Hudkins said. “I finished fifth as a freshman. Everyone was telling me that fifth was a big deal. They would congratulate me on winning regional and semistate. But that wasn’t good enough for me. I wanted a state title.
 
“I felt like I let myself down. I set my sights on winning the next year, but the cards didn’t play in my favor at all when I got sick at weigh-ins. But now, it’s all I think about. I want more than anything to get under those lights.”
 
While most high school juniors enjoy video games, movies and having fun – Hudkins said his fun is wrestling. There is nothing else.
 
“I completely believe that,” Pugliese said. “He has earned his success. He is always training. When he says he doesn’t do anything else, it’s true. He’s not just saying that. I think in the summer he probably wrestled 50 matches across the country and I don’t think he got beat.”
 
Hudkins has a total of three losses in high school, yet he knew there were plenty of things to improve upon. According to Pugliese, he’s done that.
 
“He has gotten a lot better on his feet,” Pugliese said. “We work on that 90 percent of our practice time, and it’s really showing now.”
 
Pugliese feels that wrestlers at the elite level that Hudkins is at, have a certain quality that most wrestlers don’t exhibit.
 
“When I took this job, Hudkins was in fourth grade,” Pugliese said. “Everyone talked about him and talked about him. Finally, when I saw him compete I found out why they were hyping him so much.
 
“For him, like a lot of elite wrestlers, attitude is everything. He gets out in front of a bunch of people, and he doesn’t care. He doesn’t care who’s watching him. He knows what he can do. He knows he’s earned his success. He knows he deserves to win the match.”
 
Pugliese also said that Hudkins is never arrogant or cocky about his abilities.
 
Hudkins truly loves wrestling.
 
“I love everything about it,” he said. “It’s fun. It’s the main reason why I wrestle. But I also love competing against other people. You don’t have to rely on teammates. It’s you and one guy in the middle of the mat going at it. Best man wins.”
 
After high school Hudkins hopes to wrestle for a Division 1 school. He is still contemplating his educational goals, but he’s narrowed it down to either a lawyer, a physical trainer or an engineer.
 
Hudkins will face Evansville Memorial sophomore Nolan Schaefer (27-18) in the first round of the Evansville semistate on Saturday.
 
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Nice...Thor wrote it, edited it, and likes it.  That's a lot of involvement in one post. 

If some of the coaches wouldn't have screwed up IHSAA Team State in the first place, we wouldn't be in this situation.

Nailed it.  If you advanced a 3rd or 4th place guy from a Category 2 regional or 4th place from a Category 3 regional, you didn't get semi-state first round points.  Win in the first round on Saturday and you get upgraded straight to semi-state 2nd round points.

I think I know this.  In the North White example,  they came out of the Logansport regional that got a quota of 3 SS qualifiers.    So if these wrestlers got 4th, then they havent earned their semi-state points yet.  If they win first round, they earn Semi-state points and also qualifying for 2nd round SS points.  

He is asking how, if an underclassman can can score up to 4 points, can a team with 3 wrestlers score 13 points? (because 3x4=12, and 4x4 does not equal 20)

1A schools teach math differently than 2A and 3A schools.  That's why their seniors don't earn any points after regionals.

Qualifications by Grade
Senior- 347 or 38.7%
Junior- 276 or 30.8%
Sophomore- 181 or 20.2%
Freshman- 92 or 10.2%
 
By Grade and Weight
[table]
[/td][td]9 10

11

12

106 34 17

11

2

113 17 27

11

9

120 9 21

16

18

126 2 13

29

20

132 8 13

22

21

138 4 8

24

28

145 1 10

19

34

152 3 12

25

24

160 4 11

18

31

170 2 7

20

35

182 2 9

23

30

195 3 11

21

29

220 3 9

22

30

285 0 13

15

36

Total 92 181

276

347

[/table]

Wow, Dolly vs Maurer was like watching a D-1 caliber match. I think Alex was the only wrestler that year to nullify Blakes insane blast double.

Paul Petrov
Brenden Campbell
Mason Todd
Adam Garcia
Luke Welch
Alonzo Shephard
Sam Goebel
Erique Early
 
Not to mention Cody Phillips who did not wrestle at state due to injury.  

there are many factors that are relevant.  
 
 
many lightweights focus on wrestling, largely because of their size and that wrestling, by definition, is about size.  a 113-pound junior is unlikely to find much action playing football.  you find lightweights running cross country, track and sometimes soccer, but many of the successful ones have a primary focus on wrestling.  
 
 
this is less true in the middleweights for a couple of reasons.  first, 132-160 is the biggest part of the bell curve for boys 15-18.  if there are more boys there, naturally you will find more athletes.  you will find very high strength and speed ratios per pound in these weights.  because of their athleticism, you find these guys successful in football's skill positions, track and baseball.  still, the top-level middleweights have a wrestling focus.
 
 
the big boys have a different wrestling style and set of circumstances  for example, a strong and agile 220 pound football player, can deploy a modest set of wrestling skills and find decent success on the mat.  an athlete with the same set of skills, weighing 132 pounds, would certainly not expect to get the same results.
 
 
finally, it is hard to get around the fact that great athletes find success in any endeavor they choose.  speed, explosiveness, balance, strength, focus and stamina translate to any sport.  that is one of the great attractions about wrestling.  anyone involved in a wrestling program will have a story about a kid, who was awkward/clumsy/non-athletic and through sheer determination and work ethic, found some success on the mat.  in how many sports is this possible?
 
 
a number of years ago, my boys were at a wrestling camp where angel escobedo was a clinician.  if you have never been around him, his energy and enthusiasm are off the richter scale.  during breaks, angel would join the campers in pick-up basketball.  while his basketball skills are unpolished, it was a thing of beauty watching him fly down the court, cut, pass and fight for rebounds.  it occurred to me that had 5'5" angel focused on basketball, he would have likely become a all-star point guard.  by the same token is it a surprise that gelen robinson was a dominating high school wrestler and now a two-sport starter at Purdue?  although they are on opposite ends of the spectrum on size, the share a gift of supreme athleticism.
 
 
everyone will have exceptions and point to hometown boys who excel in multiple sports.  in evansville, 152-pound isaiah kemper is ranked second in the state, and was the primary ball carrier for central's football team.  138-pound aj dixon was a key skill player for reitz's football team.  mater dei's blake jourdan is a highly-regarded wrestler and stand-out defensive back. 
 
 
the bottom line, for middle and lightweights, that's is exactly what these guys are--exceptions and exceptional.  vanderburgh county, with almost 200,000 residents, has exactly three of them.

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East Noble seniors Connor Knapp and Garrett Pepple weren’t exactly friends their freshman year. In fact, they didn’t even like each other much.
 
The two were competing for the same varsity spot at 106 pounds. It was a position they both wanted badly. Ultimately, Knapp won the weight class and Pepple spent most of the season on the junior varsity squad. Knapp went on to qualify for state as a freshman.
 
“My goal going into my freshman year was to qualify for state,” Pepple said. “I wanted to have a good record, too. But we had a solid team and I only weighed about 100 pounds. I had multiple chances to earn a spot. Connor and I wrestled off once, and he beat me. Then I went up to 113 pounds and I won the spot, until our 120 pounder dropped down and took it from me.
 
“When you compete for a spot with someone it’s hard to be close friends. There was a little hate between us.”
 
The next year, things changed. Knapp moved up to 113 pounds and Pepple stayed at 106. The two were no longer competing for the same spot, and they started to become friends.
 
That season Pepple made a huge stride. He went from a JV wrestler the year before, to finishing second in the state as a sophomore. Knapp placed 4th.
 
“At first we didn’t really talk much at all,” Knapp said. “But the next year we started to become friends. We started training together. Now he’s like my brother.”
 
The two seniors began pushing each other to get better. Pepple is considered a very good top wrestler, and Knapp needed work on bottom. Pepple’s top work helped.
 
“Garrett is really good on top,” Knapp said. “A lot of the stuff he does is what some of the top guys I go up against are going to do. He gives me a good idea of how to counter things. Pretty much in every position there are certain things he can do that normal wrestlers wouldn’t have the confidence to do. We both have our advantages and that helps push both of us.”
 
As juniors Pepple placed second at 113 pounds. Knapp finished third at 120.
 
“After finishing second my sophomore year I was happy with that,” Pepple said. “Maybe I was even a little complacent. But my junior year, my goal was a state championship and nothing else. Placing second still haunts me. I don’t want it to happen again.”
 
Pepple says he has been much more focused this season. He is the No. 1 ranked 113 pounder in the state.
 
“There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t think of what it could be like to win a state championship,” Pepple said. “My dream, my goal is to be a state champ. That’s all I can think about. I’ve visualized myself winning so many times. I walk around my room just thinking about it for hours. I have even planned my celebration if I win. It won’t be anything cocky, but I’ll definitely celebrate if I can win it.”
 
Both wrestlers are pushing each other to get better in the room. East Noble has had only one state champion before. Pepple and Knapp wants to change that.
 
“Iron sharpens iron,” Pepple said. “It’s great to have such a tough drill partner who is going to push you to be your best.”
 
Outside of school Knapp loves to draw action pictures. It’s a talent not many know about. He is also an elementary school teaching assistant. He works one-on-one with children, and he said it’s something he absolutely loves doing. As far as the future, he is still trying to decide what he wants to do.
 
“I’m trying to decide on whether I want to wrestle in college or not,” Knapp said. “I’d like to be a Force Recon Marine. I’ve dreamed about that my whole life. It’s something I’ve always wanted to do. Now I think, why not – I have the tools.”
 
Pepple plans to attend Indiana University where he wants to wrestle. He is either going into the medical field, business or education.
 
Pepple says the biggest turning point so far in his career was when he shattered his lower leg playing sharks and minnows in practice before his freshman season. He broke two bones, and had to have multiple screws put in along with a metal plate to stabilize it.
“I didn’t know if I’d ever wrestle again,” he said. “But I worked hard and came back. That showed me I can overcome anything.”
 
Both wrestlers are hoping they can overcome all of the obstacles the state tournament presents, and stand together as state champions.
 
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But that would be a trio!

The football comparison makes no sense.  The wrestlers still wrestle, they just aren't considered when determining the class sizes.
 
We are waiting until after the season is over to determine classes anway, it wouldn't be that difficult to re class based on sectional entries.

Yeah but you can't play football with 5 players on the roster.  They are given a shot to win because they have at least 11 players on team.  Your statement just justified 3/4 of the states' point of view on the topic.

Humphrey's Vs Oliver in the finals, wish I was there!!

If we change the rule, Indiana Blind doesn't qualify for Team State.
 
If we leave the rule as is, Indiana Blind doesn't qualify for team state.
 
I'm not sure how this effects any of Indiana's smallest schools/ wrestling teams and their prospects for improving year to year.

Is anyone saying these teams are permanently excluded?  A good first step in building a program would be to enter enough wrestlers to qualify for team state scoring.

Is the kid from Indiana Blind worried about a team state title?
 
Do the kids at Randolph Southern that haven't won a dual meet all year worry about team state?

If a coach has  5 wrestlers on a team or less, the last thing the coach is worried about the team title.   Keep it real.

Lol you couldnt be any more off base on the point of this poll
 
Letting all teams in hurts the small schools. Excluding teams w double digit forfeits helps all the great small school programs in our state

If you have 9 forfeits you shouldn't be in consideration.  You can be a small school and have a full roster.  Teams with a full roster are much more deserving than teams with 5 wrestlers.  There is no sense in having a team in the tournament that would have AT BEST a dual where they lose 52-30.  Just because he posted a poll doesn't mean he against class wrestling and underdogs.  This poll just shows that about 3/4 of the people on this site have common sense.