Winning Ugly Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 But A has higher winning percentage over B, so he can't be out. Yes A is out he has a H2H loss. Like you said it is the first critiria on the list. Once you eliminate a person you move on to the next critiria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 So then why wrestle anyone head to head if it is better to just not wrestle anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Ugly Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 So then why wrestle anyone head to head if it is better to just not wrestle anyone? Sure if we want to take it to the extreme, wrestle all your guys 10 times aganist the easiest opponent and get a good seed. At that point are you helping or hurting your team. You can't hide forever in the tournament series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busstogate Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 So, they still are not going to use quality losses as a criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The kid who has a head to head should be rewarded over the one with a better record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 But he doesn't have head to head over that kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Ugly Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The kid who has a head to head should be rewarded over the one with a better record. "C" is rewarded with a higher seed than "A". He has no critiria over "B". Once "A" is out you move on to the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 How come B isn't eliminated first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Bc of criteria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Bc of criteria We haven't even broke the surface on the "good rational" for a coach trying to insist upon his kid getting the higher seed yet. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phscoach Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 C should be over A from H2H. A should be over B from win %. B should be over C from win %. How is A out? He still holds a criteria over B. In fact, it is the same criteria that B claims over C. By denying A over B, aren't you invalidating your own argument for B being over C? I would think that C moves above A based on criteria 1, but does that mean every other criteria advantage A has is irrelevant? I think I know the answer, but I still like asking the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 And the Saga continues. Criteria is prioritized with higher ones holding value over lower ones. 6. Determination of seeded wrestlers is given in order of importance: a. Head to head competition; (The wrestler with the most head to head wins gets the seed. If they have beaten each other an equal number of times, then the winner of the last match gets the seed.); b. Record against common opponents; c. Prior year IHSAA semi‐state quarterfinalist. d. A contestant with the best overall record (winning percentage) who has wrestled at least 10 matches; e. Farthest advancement in previous year IHSAA State Tournament Series; f. Draw by lot / Coin toss. Criteria is reset after determining each seed. NOTE: A wrestler with less than ten (10) matches may not be seeded ahead of a wrestler with at least ten (10) matches and a winning record unless he/she meets criteria in a, b or c. A wrestler with a losing record may not be seeded unless he/she meets criteria a, b or c unless there are less than six (6) wrestlers in the bracket. 7. A seeded contestant shall have the same opportunity to draw for a bye as other contestants in his bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmsd Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 what if : A - has beat B and lost to B, has a better record then B, and more wins over common opponets then B, beat C, has a better record then C, but C has beat B. So what it comes down to is A has beat both B&C, has a better record then both, has more wins against common opponets but lost to B the last time they wrestled by getting "caught" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Stat Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 what if : A - has beat B and lost to B, has a better record then B, and more wins over common opponets then B, beat C, has a better record then C, but C has beat B. So what it comes down to is A has beat both B&C, has a better record then both, has more wins against common opponets but lost to B the last time they wrestled by getting "caught" And I have something similar (but not as complicated . Last week A beat B. This week, C beat A and B beat C (in that order). A (by fall) and B (by decision) both beat D, but C has not wrestled D. No other common opponents, and no semi-state qualifiers. Winning percentages - B 85%, A 80%, C 65%, D 70%. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling0021 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 What if wrestler A is 5 and 4 and beat Wrestler B who is 18-17 who would be seeded higher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 What if wrestler A is 5 and 4 and beat Wrestler B who is 18-17 who would be seeded higher? Wrestler A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther83 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 So if A thru D all beat each other at one time, and they all have the same record, but C wrestled Teo's girlfriend, then who gets the higher seed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 And I have something similar (but not as complicated . Last week A beat B. This week, C beat A and B beat C (in that order). A (by fall) and B (by decision) both beat D, but C has not wrestled D. No other common opponents, and no semi-state qualifiers. Winning percentages - B 85%, A 80%, C 65%, D 70%. Thoughts? 1. B- Record...unless there are common opponents 2. C- Head to head 3. A- Head to head 4. D- Head to head and common opponents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwoodjc89 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The last deciding criterion should be based on the coaches attire. ;D The wrestler with the classier dressing coach will get the higher seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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