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How about we start the change in the rooms. Coaches have to figure out a way to incorporate freestyle and greco into the program before folkstyle is even over. You have to get kids excited about it. You have to get parents to understand the different styles. A new mom in the wrestling room hears that little johnny is going to get thrown from one end of the mat to the other and she is scared. Coaches have to find a way to quell that fear and get the parents involved. Maybe have the older kids put on a clinic, maybe do a freestyle clinic at folkstyle state. No matter what the ISWA tries to institute, it is not going to work if parents come on here and see everyone finding excuses not to back what the ISWA is doing. Okay so people had to spend money to go to freestyle tournaments. If there was a folkstyle tournament that weekend would you have paid to go to it? How many folkstyle tournaments do you have to pay to go to. I've been paying for local and national tournaments for many years and I know that the national tournaments cost me a heck of a lot more than the local and I usually have to drive an hour and a half to two hours for the "local" tournaments. What coach Hull and the rest of the folks at the ISWA are trying to do is to make the teams better that are going out to compete against the rest of the nation. This in turn will help grow all the programs as it will get kids excited and could ultimately rejuvenate freestyle and greco in Indiana. We as coaches and parents are failing at that task because we give our kids excuses not to wrestle in freestyle and greco events. I promise we don't have more expendable income to throw at wrestling than anybody else here, in fact we probably have less, but we will make sure that just like the last 12 years, if our son has an opportunity to get better we will have him at the tournament that he needs to be at to get that little bit extra. Whether it is 1 extra match or 10 he will be on the mat. We will do everything as we always have to try to drag kids along with him to practices and tournaments. Ultimately taking a stance to boycott ISWA not only hurts Indiana team wrestling, but it hurts our kids individually. We don't need more reasons for the world to try to get rid of wrestling. Let's try to work together as a community to make this happen.

Maybe I'm stepping out of the circle here Y2 but it looks like if your kid wins state he would still qualify for any of the weight classes (except maybe 132-138) as none of the weight classes has four kids in it and Coach Hull says he needs 2 kids per weight class for possibly 2 freestyle teams (4 kids needed) and a greco team (2 kids needed). Again I may be wrong here as I have no first hand knowledge of what the junior selection committee has on their minds.

How about this. Coaches want cadet and junior folkstyle state right? We don't have enough freestyle and greco tournaments and coaches and parents can't get kids to two tournaments right? So why not run local folkstyle tournaments to a certain point say mid to late January. Have a kids state tournament at that point. Run freestyle and greco tournaments the rest of the way. This will allow the elementary, middle school, JV kids and high school kids that lose at sectional, regional and semi-state to get more freestyle and greco tournaments in. Then either the day after or the weekend after have a cadet, junior, senior, university and veteran folkstyle state. Then freestyle from there. I'm sure the top 16 kids in the state that want to wrestle at folkstyle state would be willing to do that. This will in turn give them more opportunities at freestyle and greco tournaments.

Thomas dull for 173

Congratulations Cayden!

Glad you're okay! Get that problem taken care of so you can get out there and keep doing what you do!

Congrats guys. You have a great site and all the hard work has paid off! Keep pushing!!

Purler camps are pretty affordable. Also depending on how many kids you have that could come you could host your own. if you can get 30 kids to a camp you host you can normally get a pretty good clinician in.

perry greco sign ups end tonight at 5 pm last I checked there were 66 total and freestyle on Friday at 5pm last checked 99 total

Congrats Jared! Great and fierce competitor!

Congrats Brett!

Check the Freestyle State boycott thread to see what you fight against for qualifiers.

Why don't we ask the ISWA to move the state tournament towards the end of May? Give the clubs more opportunity to make money. Also gives the kids more opportunity to qualify. Make sure there are at least four tournaments per weekend in the four corners of the state with a fifth in Indianapolis.With 2100 kids at this weekends folkstyle state tournament, could the state of Indiana not come up with at a couple hundred kids for each venue to qualify?

I know my son wrestled the championship match yesterday in what was probably right at the 15-20 minute time limit and his opponents match ended maybe 15-20 minutes before his. My son made the comment "at least I don't have to warm back up". The problem was after they finished the championship match they had to wait for 2 more consolation rounds to be done to award medals. Guess I'm just used to 3rd-8th to finish before the championship.

Actually the ISWA schedule is put together at a meeting with all clubs having tournaments in attendance. Each club has the opportunity to choose the dates in which their tournament will happen. The club representative has the opportunity to change the dates of their tournament. Unfortunately this time of year most clubs fight their basketball teams for gym usage.

You know I sat and watched the match. I listened to adults jeer at a kid and chant Lee's name. I even listened to people from my son's team chant Lee's name and then say I don't know either one of them, but I just don't want Red to win. I watched this forum light up about wanting to see Red lose. Now we start a thread about humility. I wonder where the humility was in the crowd when the Lee chant started? I wonder where the humility was when people were screaming at Red Sr. as he was walking back to the locker room area after the match. How much jeering is an high school kid supposed to take from adults before he reacts to them? take a look at this definition from wikipedia and think about how true this might be. "Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket, is a way of thinking best described by the phrase, "if I can't have it, neither can you." The metaphor refers to a bucket or pot of crabs. Individually, the crabs could easily escape from the pot, but instead they grab at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise.[2][3][4] The analogy in human behavior is claimed to be that members of a group will attempt to negate or diminish the importance of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress."

Very classy Shawn! Keep on keeping on. Know that even though I graduated from IU, Thomas and I will be watching Purdue wrestling the next several years!

We used to drive from Dunkirk to cruise Madison. Lots of fun in the summer!

Got it! Thanks much watched it first thing this morning! Great job guys!

I got stuck working are replays available on these?

Maybe I'm off base here, but is the way to get at the IHSAA through the coaching association? Wouldn't it be better to get a foot hold in with members of the board of directors and the executive committee? These are folks that come from our high schools correct? Maybe if we started by getting those officials interested at the local level in wrestling something could be moved forward. Maybe not starting out with a team state, maybe start out where they are interested (say dual matches). Maybe the wrestling coaches could compromise by doing more duals and ask for a concession like having dual matches only count as half a point, or get more points for the season. Move towards a better relationship by having champions on the board or executive committees. If coaches could get those folks to dual matches (and the teams make it fun) they could see the potential in the sport. Just my two cents and maybe not good money, but seems like the IHSWCA, this board and the IHSAA can't get on the same page. Maybe instead of it being everyone butting heads, you all could bring it all together.

182 bloomington north regional Ike murrell over tyler trent by pin then 2-1 decision over creasey to get into the championship match.

Bigtoe19 love your picks, but think you may be missing one at 182. Murrell has gotten progressively better this year and I believe will prove that this weekend. He may even find a way to upset Creasey as this will be the third time they wrestle should he get past Trent.

You know Asbury4040 that is one of the biggest problems with our world today. There is no accountability, no one makes people responsible. You are correct that these guys are kids, yet we don't teach them anything by saying well you're great kids and super athletes so breaking the law and drinking underage is okay. As a parent first my son would not wrestle had this happened. Senior year or not, state tournament or not. I as a parent have to take the responsibility for my kid. Fortunately my son knows this and when I told him what was going on here, his exact words were "you would eat me". He then said luckily he also had a partner in the room that would make things unbearable, a girlfriend that would dump him and coaches that would drop him. That is accountability and responsibility to keep these "kids" on the straight and narrow. By letting things just slide not only do you hurt these "kids", but you also hurt those kids that come up in the future and "understand" that this type of incident is okay and will be let go as long as you are part of an undefeated program and are a cog in that machine!

and "most nearfall" as well!