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I agree and appreciate the fact that 6A schools have multiple sport athletes as well and are successful at that. My point is that is is much more common in smaller school settings. My varsity line up: 113, 120, 138- cross country. 126, 145, 152, 160, 170, 182, 195, 220- football. 132 was football until this year. 106 first year kid that was literally the only one I could find to make weight in the school. So if you can tell me that Brownsburg had 11-12 varsity wrestling starters that played a fall sport, then I will stop trying to post about the differences we face. They get much better year round buy in and that is the advantage. I give Snyder props for what he has done. Brownsburg came to our duals for a couple years prior to his head coaching. We actually won the two duals we had with them. Then last year we faced them at the Bellmont main event and took a whooping. He has changed their culture and elevated that program. -
Year round wrestling training is the difference. Period. Hard work pays off and those kids that invest in wrestling only are reaping the rewards. Others that invest their hard work in other sports have to play catch up. Enrollment does not matter. The focus of the kids efforts is what does.
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I am not trying to make excuses, this is just the reality that small schools face. I am curious of the small school kids that are being listed as examples of being successful, how many have quit their other sports to focus on wrestling only and regularly attend academies. I could be way off here, but I truly believe that is the overwhelming factor that is separating the top from everyone else. Like I said size of school does not matter, it is the other opportunities that does. Whether that opportunity is being able to play football and baseball as well or the local wrestling training academy. I believe I read where Silas Allred had to make the decision to focus on wrestling only. And that kid is a dominant force from a small school.
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This was the very point I was trying to make earlier and was jumped on for it. The size of school is irrelevant. The biggest factor is year round wrestling that is being done. I posted earlier that AC has several athletes that work their tails off year round, the difference is that it is in 2-3 sports. The kids that wrestle only are separating themselves. This is a fact and you see it in the rise of the communities that are doing it. This is the biggest factor to their success. A small school kid can do it also, but at the expense of the other sports that they are being recruited to play by their peers and the other head coaches. If we want all our programs to be successful, AC has to share athletes between their sports as there are truly only a set number to choose from in a school of 375 total HS students.
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I don’t think true wrestle backs will happen. I think you should take semi state ticket round losers and wrestle them to 5/6. Adds 3 matches per weight to semi state. Take six per weight to state. This eliminates the random semi state death draw issues and pretty much guarantees the top kids earn a trip to state. Start a little earlier and run 2 rounds Friday at state. 5 vs 4 and 6 vs 3. The semi state champ and runner up gets a bye. Everything else stays the same.
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Not sure if this is completely accurate, but Carmel has 74 kids listed on their trackwreslting team roster. That seems like pretty solid numbers. No way we could come anywhere close to that. I agree every school faces recruiting issues due to the demands of this sport. I think the wrestling culture in the school factors in big time. If you have solid wrestling culture and support, it is easier to get the borderline kids out. If you have a strong football only or basketball culture, that can be difficult to change. The coaches that can change that culture or bring it to the next level are the ones having the most success.
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I totally agree it can be done if everyone works together. I was just trying to state there are different dynamics between schools the sizes of AC (374 kids) and Brownsburg (2643). Different opportunities as well, good and bad. I feel we are lucky to have our student athletes be able to participate in multiple sports. 3 of my wrestlers were recognized on some level for All State in football. I had 80% of my HS wrestlers playing a fall sport. Not sure if Brownsburg had that many or not. The challenges are different, that is what I was getting at. We had 3 kids in our normal varsity line up not play a fall sport. of those, one was a first year wrestler that was the only kid I could find in the high school that could make 106 and another had played football up until his this year. Those kids that play multiple sports at the 6A level are just plain athletes and will compete in which ever sport they choose to participate. Not trying to argue, just stating that there are inherent challenges that we have to overcome to be competitive. Tony Currie
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From my viewpoint of a small school coach. The main difference between the large school and small school wrestlers is quite simply one thing: year round training. Yes, small school kids have the exact same year round opportunities. But the huge difference is these small school kids are 2 and 3 sport athletes. Adams Central- Football was in the 1A final four 2 of last three years. 16 of my 24 wrestlers were playing football. I did not get them at all from late July till Thanksgiving. A couple ran cross county. Several are already practicing track and field and more will be going to baseball this week. We have to share athletes to have a successful culture at our school. We do the off season workouts, summer duals, weight room, etc. but the attendance is spotty due to demands of the in season sports. My huge advantage is that we have a really strong wrestling culture and support from administration and the community. A larger school kid is more likely to specialize and take better advantage of the off season opportunities. It has nothing to do with working harder than the small school kids. The small school kids bust their tails the same, just not in wrestling only. The out of season training that has emerged over the last several years has really separated the talent. The top level guys that train year round have distanced themselves from the typical multi sport athlete. I do not want this to sound like excuses, but it is the reality. Our goals are the same as every other competitive program in the state. We just have to figure ways around some of the obstacles and close the gap. We do not say it is ok, that was a 3A or 2A kid. Tony Currie
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Adams Central will have their first official wrestling room by this summer. Just over 3 full mats with an office and storage area connected. We are extremely excited for it.
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Jashawn Berlanga from Adams Central. Second year wrestler. 18-9 to 36-3. He won conference, sectional, and regional. Paul Faurote 15-16 to 28-8 and a semi state berth. Monty Hill 10-13 to 17-7 and a semi state berth.
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Teams that advanced the most wrestlers to Semi-State
jetwrestling replied to Coach Brown's topic in Past Discussions
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From Jay County Sectional Adams Central and Jay County both move 11 on.
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Adams Central is looking for 1 more team to round out our individual AC Invite on 1/12/19. 10 teams Each weight has 2 pools of 5 We wrestle 4 round robin matches then cross over to placement matches. Contact myself or our AD (mcallister@accs.k12.in.us) if interested Tony Currie (currie5fam@gmail.com)
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First off, I didn't realize there were some of these issues. I honestly don't follow who all the other teams roster. My initial gut feeling is that if we go away from the school affiliation/ limited wild cards, then we are just opening it up like all the other summer duals that out there. It would be the travel teams/ training academies dominating. We have entered a team for the last 5 years or so. The first couple was in a one class set up. I know we did not have the depth to compete with the larger school clubs, but we did it anyway. I viewed it as a way to get my kids exposed to the top/ state level kids out there. It was a way for us to take 15-20 of my kids (that wouldn't be going to a state level event otherwise) along with 2-3 wildcards to a high level event. The ultimate goal was to get more of our kids competing at the individual state events and each year we have a few more kids going to those. It is unfortunate if teams are crossing lines to get the win. I figure they have to live with that, not me. We take our team there to compete and will continue to do so. We also do local duals knowing that some teams are basically all stars. I do not get hung up on the wins and losses at this level. I just want my kids progressing. I know that may not really have answered your question, but that is how I view the duals. Full disclosure is that I do use wildcards (per the rules). I have never turned away one of my kids that wanted to go for a wildcard. I always take my kids first then fill in the roster with wildcards. Tony
