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Some of you may have seen the video of "The Slam" from the DCC vs Davison team state championships in MI from Saturday. It was the one where Davison's #1 nationally ranked Alex Facundo lost on a slam call that looked like a normal hard double leg. The DCC kid ( who is a really tough kid and Fargo AA ) looked fine, got up and went to the line to start wrestling before his coach called him over to be looked at by his trainer. DCC's version of the story is that their trainer was in the bathroom so the MHSAA sent a doctor out to evaluate the kid and the doctor said he was not fit to finish and DCC picks up 6 points in a match they would almost surely lost by bonus points. It looked like a terrible decision to have the kid take a dive but according to DCC, the coach didn't intend it that way and it got taken out of his hands. I also saw a clip on Twitter where Mocco talks about a time he hurt a guy from Iowa State and Bobby Douglas jumped out of the stands to make his guy wrestle 1 second so he could then forfeit to Mocco because he didn't want to take a win like that. I thought it might help to share some stories of coaching decisions and scenarios that went well or went terribly wrong. I am not sure I would know the rules for stopping injury time before it ran out or the concussion rules in the heat of the moment of a match. I could see where things happen quickly and decisions are made or not made so a bad result happens unintentionally. I don't like DCC but have made enough mistakes to see how it could happen. Anyone care to share?
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I am fairly new to MI - 2015 may have been before DCC's recent dominance. Since I have been paying atttention, DCC has been pretty incredible. Although I don't follow team rankings closely, I believe they were ranked top 5 or better this year at one time. I really don't even know where to find the team rankings so forgive me if I am wrong but I think there were 3 Michigan teams in the top 15. Dundee is a Div 3 team with a couple Fargo AA's that I think was one of those in the top 15. We have weird travel restrictions too. There is talk of us getting kicked out of an IN tournament who wants to bring in a team from TN because TN doesn't border MI. I love IN wrestling. Both states are great. I know IN has had some highly ranked teams in the past but when was the last time IN had a team in the top 5 nationally? I hope the answer is recently - I am probably biased because I am more familiar with Michigan's top teams now. I think MI has more "all-star" teams with kids who would be from different districts coming together to for super teams. DCC and Dundee are definitely built that way. I heard there may be a public school around Indy with a lot of kids from different districts also but that's all fair with school of choice.
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I went the other way. I moved from IN to MI. Here's how I view it. If you look at the whole state, Michigan has more depth. In other words, if you had no classes in MI and took the top 10 guys from IN and the top 10 guys from MI, Michigan's #10 is going to be better than Indiana's #10 most of the time. There are twice as many schools in MI compared to IN. Its a population thing. Until recently, I would have said the #1 guy in MI vs the #1 guy in IN dual for each weight would also favor MI if it were a dual of 14 weights. I think IN has closed the gap there now but for all the great studs in IN, MI is just as good. The only way I would agree that IN wrestling is MUCH BETTER than MI is if you compared IN's 1 champ to some of the smaller division champs in MI. That would be like the comparison of how 1A kids did against 4A kids in IN. I would put Detroit Catholic Central or Davison against any team in IN and feel very good about that chances there. I am not sure how many teams in IN have multiple Fargo All Americans every year but DCC can do that as well as a few others. Indiana's 1 champ vs Michigan's 1 champ would be a great match. The #1s in IN are great. The #1s in MI are great. I don't really think there is much difference there. MI also has the weird travel rules that hurt exposure but man some of the kids are still super good.
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Nick Lee is on a recent ( last week ) "Bashamania" podcast if you are interested in hearing an interview. I always think its fun to hear more about great wrestlers.
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I just don't buy this anymore. If you want to wrestle D3 in college, I don't think they care that much if you are a state champ. Even if you are, there isn't money for it. If you want a scholarship, I don't think you are getting one without doing well at tournaments like at least a Central Regional or one of the many national level tournaments that now exist. You should teach them to shoot higher than a single class state tournament also in that case.
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I used to be be a staunch 1 class believer but am not sure anymore. I am 100% positive that the atmosphere at the state finals would not be the same. I am no longer sure that is as important as I used to think. If Indiana did decide to add classes, I would hope they would do 2 classes at most. I think 3 would be pretty watered down. The Indiana State Finals are incredible and would hate to see that change but I also understand there are benefits for the smaller schools and the sport should be about the kids and not the fans.
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I was wondering if anyone has had issues with room size being too small and had to split practice or do something different because there is just no way to fit all the kids in the "room" at the same time. If so, how did you handle it?
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MISHAWAKA RTC - Thursdays @ 5:30PM
doctorWrestling replied to Steven Sandefer's topic in Past Discussions
We ( Edwardsburg, MI ) have been bringing a small group of kids to Mishawaka and Jimtown regularly. Both rooms are awesome. Both have coaches who will jump in and help kids and are willing to go live. I sort of wish Michigan had an RTC system in place like Indiana, but to be honest I would still want to go to IN for these rooms. You can see the difference it is making with our kids. I highly recommend both rooms. -
Is it up to the state to decide if they want to go to that system? If it is up to the state, I assume the IHSAA ultimately decides? I know Michigan opted to stay with the old weight classes when the last weight class changes happened. I personally like the Michigan weights better because it has more weights in the middle of the line-up where there are more kids. The only part that stinks is when we go to other states, we then lose a starter in the middle and have to fill a weight with a backup at the top. Hopefully it is up to each state to decide and the right people are making the decisions.
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I think its the "whatever they can" part that I tend to disagree on. Moving to put your kid in a better academic school - totally understand. Moving to put your kid in a better wrestling school - in some terrible situations, maybe. Holding your kid back in 8th grade for the sole reason of having an age advantage over 99% of the other kids, that's where I start to wonder what the heck is going on. You can do too much for your kids also - like parents who do their kid's homework, give them every possible advantage at the cost of letting their kid figure it out. I would just encourage parents to think about the long term lesson in doing something like that.
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Let's shake things up--new rules ideas
doctorWrestling replied to Dave Cloud's topic in Past Discussions
Michigan does it for the state tournament. I like that if you can't fill one weight but have 2 stud seniors stuck together you can get them both in the tournament. There were 2 state finals matches between teammates this year I believe. Some kid who may have not had a chance to compete came home a state-runner up. Can't argue the kids deserved it if that's where they placed. -
That is significant for sure. My point is that an undersized 106's disadvantage is the same as a good 171 pound freshman. Both will take their lumps because both have a disadvantage which all freshmen do. Why does it seem there are more 106 in the list of top incoming? At 106, you will probably never see a senior. So if you wait a year and make 106, you have basically ensured you will not struggle. You start your career like a senior at the upper weights because you would rarely see anyone older than you. You really should dominate at that point. So I think there is a perceived incentive for those kids to repeat a grade because they see a chance at a title immediately. What I am saying is that it is still worth it to let the kids struggle despite the lure of a 106 title as a freshman. Other kids struggle and still succeed as they mature. I just don't think the carrot justifies holding kids back because they will at least be facing kids their age to start.
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I am not telling them what to do, but I don't see how being an undersized 106 is really any different than the freshmen kids who weigh 145 lbs or more who are going to face juniors and seniors all year long if they can make varsity. They will both take losses because they are freshmen in that case. You are at least guaranteed to face someone your age or maybe rarely a sophomore at that weight.
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I understand that point, but when 8 out of 12 on this list do it I doubt they were truly using that as a reason. How many people do you know do this who don't have an incentive for sports? I considered my kids age when they started kindergarten. By the time they are in middle school they have probably adapted. I just think you don't see 65% of the average middle school kids being held back under normal circumstances.
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I guess I am old school, but that is disturbing to me. Here are a few reasons why it should be discouraged in my opinion. First, wrestling probably shouldn't be such a priority for parents or kids at that age to want to give up a year of future earnings and leave their classmates so they have a better shot at winning matches. Secondly, I think a year of taking your losses is a great lesson in life and the sport that will only help you later on and missing that lesson is definitely not going to help when you finally become a freshman in college if you continue in the sport. I personally would much rather have a kid who struggles and then succeeds than a kid who took an advantage to make it easier to succeed when it comes to preparing for the beatings you will get in college. I am not trying to attack those who did it. Maybe a few even have a valid reason for it besides wrestling. I just personally don't like it and think it isn't going to help them in the long run.
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Any idea how many of those took an extra year of middle school?
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That's fine. I knew people wouldn't like it. Maybe I should have said there is a way to celebrate that is fun and makes me root for guys and there is a way to celebrate that makes me really dislike guys. He may be a great kid, but the way he does it just rubs me wrong. I am not anti-celebrations, I like probably 90% of them. Just the ones I have noticed would make me put him in the Desanto category instead of the Mark Hall category. I don't know the kid and I am not saying he is a bad kid, it just seems like he wants to be the heel and while that is fun sometimes too he will probably not get a lot of fans by doing it.
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I have tried to like Red despite my initial impression of his dad celebrating after he beat Lee, but I just can't get behind him. I saw an instagrap clip of him doing some weird dance or something after he beat Iowa last week and then walking back to the center of the mat leaning backward. I love to see some guys celebrate like Mark Hall and others who seem to find a way to make it fun. Penn State seems to have mastered it. I can't say exactly why Red's rubbed me the wrong way, but it only reinforced my impression of him. Was glad to hear he then went to MN and took a 9-2 loss to McKee.
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I think Watts gets him this time. It was a good match that I thought could have gone the other way at Al Smith and the loss will do nothing but help him improve.
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I think there is common etiquette that should be followed. Trying to save 100 seats so every extended family member and friend you have ever known can sit together is BS. I once had a father trying to save 20 rows get super mad that I dared sit in his imaginary kingdom that was over 50% empty. I still consider that guy one of the biggest dopes I have ever ran across.
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One of the strangest things I have found in differences between Indiana and Michigan is that Michigan weigh-ins are day before until the state series starts. Coaches and ADs are supposed to verify the weights instead of the refs. There is no doubt that promotes weight cutting because kids have 24 hours between weigh-in and competition. There are definitely some teams who push the boundaries with what they do for the entire team for the practice before when they weigh-in with temperatures in their rooms and clothing. Some are very good coaches but are stuck in the 80s with what they think weight management should be. At least IN still has refs weigh the kids in the day of the competition. Not sure how Michigan decided to go they way they did.
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I know this will be unpopular, but from afar after watching the Nick Lee vs Chad Red finals match and then hearing things about missing weight for the Flow event, I thought he would likely have problems in college. I hoped I was wrong after he AA'd last year but I am not shocked at how this season is going. Maybe sometimes four time state champs would be better off not being four time state champs. In comparison ( and how can you not), Nick Lee seems to be making big gains right now. Obviously being at Penn State can't hurt, but he looked like and appeared to act like a driven kid coming out of high school with a goal to win NCAA championships. Just saying, neither's path is surprising me. I don't know either kid personally or pretend to think I was 100% sure this was how it would go. Just seemed to be some things that alluded to the current trajectories. Still hoping Mr Red can turn it around this season and gets back on the stand in March.
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Cathedral vs Detroit Central Catholic
doctorWrestling replied to IndianaWrestlingGuy1's topic in Past Discussions
I wish Cathedral the best of luck, but I would bet on DCC. These are the lastest D1 rankings. Edmond at 135 is a Cadet Fargo Champ also. You can enter multiple kids in the same weight for the state tournament so can have multiple kids ranked at the same weight. 103 5. Anthony Walker (Detroit CC) FR 130 3. Dominick Lomazzo (Detroit CC) SO 135 1. Josh Edmond (Detroit CC) JR 145 1. Derek Gilcher (Detroit CC) JR 3. Logan Sanom (Detroit CC) JR 152 1. Cameron Amine (Detroit CC) SR 160 2. Kevon Davenport (Detroit CC) SR 10. Manny Rojas (Detroit CC) FR 189 2. Easton Turner (Detroit CC) SR 215 2. Brendin Yatooma (Detroit CC) JR 285 1. Steven Kolcheff (Detroit CC) JR -
AWL Pro League 11/30 - Will people pay to watch?
doctorWrestling replied to doctorWrestling's topic in Past Discussions
This is how I feel also. Before I even realized AWL was on Friday night, I had already planned on having friends over to watch CKLV finals on Flo on Saturday afternoon which is already paid for with the subscription. I want to support AWL and hope it grows to get off trackwrestling in the future, but at the same time I have a lot of great wrestling available with the subscription on Flo already and its $15 for 1 event on trackwrestling. I know Flo has sort of tried a pro wrestling league and it didn't work out for them. It seems like there has to be someone willing to put it on TV and sell commercials to pay the athletes or this isn't to be sustainable but I am still really pulling for it to work somehow. -
AWL Pro League 11/30 - Will people pay to watch?
doctorWrestling replied to doctorWrestling's topic in Past Discussions
I think it if were free on TV, a lot of people would watch or save it to watch later. I hope enough people will pay to watch a few events and then it finds its way to TV or even just on demand. I think there is an audience who want to see it, just not sure if pay per view will be viable for the long run.
