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17 hours ago, Disco said:

He will AA this year. Again 

I agree. Hence my frustration with zero shots in 8 minutes.

12 hours ago, maligned said:

He can still have matches like this occasionally, but his low-scoring reputation is mainly a relic from his first two years. His output jumped way up in 2020 but we didn't get to see the fruits of it at cancelled NCAAs. He averaged 7.5 pts per match then and continued with the same type of performances last year. His "worst" loss since 2019 was to the eventual #9 national seed. He only loses to AAs and generally scores well. He'll be fine.

I get your main point. But I would amend your last point to he mostly loses to AAs. Kizhan Clarke is not an AA. He is a 1 time qualifier who might have AAed had the tourney been held. Nor is Simon Dresden an AA. So, 2 of his last 4 loses were to non-AA.

But then everyone mostly loses to AAs. That is how they get to be AAs.

I guess what I am saying is, he is so explosive, but I wish he would explode more.

10 hours ago, ReformedPoster said:

#5 Chad Red lost 3-1 in OT to #13 kid from UNC last night.

Red went the entire 7 minutes without taking a half shot or even a fake, never mind a shot. Then he waited more than a minute of SV to attempt his first shot. 8+ minutes without a shot. He is so frustrating to watch sometimes.

PSU has duals against Sacred Heart and Oregon State this Saturday at 5:30 and 7:00 eastern that will be streamed on Journeymen Wrestling's Rokfin page:

https://rokfin.com/article/6521/Watch-Penn-State-vs-Oregon-State-and-SHU-LIVE-on-Rokfin

There is a very good chance both Nick Lee and Joe will Lee wrestle and an outside chance Matt Lee does as well.

On 11/5/2021 at 9:05 PM, Jayruss said:

Revised: Mendez was a frosh against senior Lee in college does Lee major him ?

major or tech

3 hours ago, navy80 said:

It is a bitter sweet to see these studs in the same weight class as seniors.

 

These are the only high school results between the three.

2014- Micic (Senior) 44-0 over Nick Lee (Freshman) 33-1 by score of 10-3 at 126lbs.

2016- Red (Senior) 44-0 over Nick Lee (Junior) 16-1 by score of 6-5 at 132lbs.

 

How many state titles between them? Lee 1, Red 4, and Micic 2? 

 

In college they have been an All-American nine times with three times each. Unless something bizarre happens, they will all AA again but 141 is stacked so you never know. 

 

Nick Lee

2018- freshman 33-7 (5th)

2019-  sophomore 31-4 (5th)

2020- junior 20-1 (COVID)

2021- senior 13-1 (National Champ)

202- Senior

 

Lee has a normal college trajectory. Five years with a redshirt. Lee's was the covid year. Is there anyway for him to get another year somehow? It seems crazy that these three's eligibility would be out this year at the same time knowing when Micic was a senior in high school, Red was a sophomore, and Lee was a freshman.

 

Stevan Micic

2015- Freshman 17-3 for Northwestern I think

2016- Olympic Redshirt Freshman 0-0

2017- Redshirt Freshman 29-7 (4th)

2018- Sophomore 26-3 (2nd)

2019- Junior 19-1 (3rd)

2020- Senior 0-0

2021- Redshirt Senior 0-0

2022- Senior

 

Micic will have been in college for eight years. He is listed as a graduate student. 

 

Chad Red

 

2017- Redshirt Freshman 17-3

2018- Freshman  26-11 (7th)

2019- Sophomore- 24-13 (8th)

2020- Junior 19-7 (covid/Olympic redshirt?)

2021- Senior 16-6 (6th)

2022- Senior

 

Red has a normal trajectory except for COVID happening. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lee could redshirt this year as last year did not count. He won't, but he could.

Thanks for the write up.

Lots of chatter on the PSU boards that he is plan B if they don't get Suriano. 

An Ohio State University was The announcement.

On 8/17/2021 at 9:30 AM, TeamGarcia said:

Thinking 141, or whatever Angel needs him to be . Best shot at this match up was last year in Michigan Dual IMO .  

Any idea where Garcia is wrestling this year? I don't see him listed on the 2021-2022 IU roster. Wrestlestat has him as unknown.

9 hours ago, SHS Sandcrabs said:

Gable Steveson, that will now change obviously.

I wonder about that. There is some talk that he might wrestle college this year before the presumed WWE contract kicks in.

3 minutes ago, GenHeavyHandz said:

Good thing I don’t rely on you for validation and I’ll stick to what I went to college for: History and wrestling.

Consider going back to school and taking some critical reading courses. You just posted a Wikipedia page that says exactly what I said.

4 minutes ago, GenHeavyHandz said:

Greco Roman wrestling goes back over 2,000 years. So again you are wrong.  There are plenty of evidence that it is the oldest style and was practiced in some form since ancient times all over the world.  Just because you sanctioned something and gave it guidelines doesn’t mean it didn’t exist before then.  Just like Columbus didn’t discover America. It was already here.   So again you don’t like it: I get it.  It’s still the purist and oldest form of wrestling.  Freestyle and Folkstyle came much later.  Now if you want to Argue Senegalese wrestling is older: I’ll except it. But it is still Greco with strikes so it’s closer to what the ancient Greeks and Romans were doing 2,000 years ago.

Hmm. I can accept the UWW's word or yours? Its tempting, but I think I will stick with the UWW's version.

2 hours ago, GenHeavyHandz said:

The point of Greco is not to entertain you.  You have problem with the rules.    We all do.  It’s a fact that Greco is wrestling in its purist form.  It’s the oldest practiced style .  Therefore it’s the purist:  no debating.

Fine, I will use your "logic". Turns out it is not the oldest practiced style. Therefore, it is not the purist. According to the UWW it only dates back to 1848 when Jean Exbrayat established the rule that no holds below the waste were allowed.

17 hours ago, GenHeavyHandz said:

Greco is wrestling at its purist form.

I don't know a lot about greco, but it doesn't seem that pure to me at the highest level.

Almost every match is two different things. It starts with two people leaning on each other for roughly a minute. Then they stop to have one guy lay down. They then repeat the process with a switch in who lays down.

The skill sets for greco wrestling on your feet and in par terre are very different to the point they seem to be two different sports. And >90% of scoring seems to happen in par terre. I understand that this is not the case for levels below the elite where throws become an important part of the scoring.

I am not trying to be snarky here, it is just what I as an outsider to the style noticed.

On 8/12/2021 at 11:56 AM, SIACfan said:

 

Is there any way to watch these?

Flo has the broadcast rights.

I watched some greco to see what I was missing. I found I didn't care for it that much. After a while I was just fast forwarding to the forced par terre in each period. At first I couldn't put my finger on what was bothering me about it. Then I realized I fast forwarded to the forced par terre in each period. Meaning for the vast majority of the match at the highest level it is designed to have no action and no scoring for the majority of the match. All of the scoring/action occurs in two small bursts. And the scoring is based on a skill set that has no relation to the skills that would allow scoring in the upright portion. 

It is like watching a little league baseball game with major league pitchers where the winner is determined by a free throw shooting contest inserted in the middle.

11 hours ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

Stevenson with late points to win Gold.  Dake gets Bronze.  Hildebrandt gets tough loss on a late throw, but still has shot at Bronze.   Match of tournament with Snyder vs Sadulev tonight.  USA with best showing ever at Olympics in wrestling (not other sports like track and field).

 

 

4 hours ago, 1prouddad said:

Amazing match by Stevenson. 

Who is this Stevenson guy? And how does he match up against Steveson?

On 8/4/2021 at 1:38 PM, Y2CJ41 said:

She starts Thursday night.

 

Do you have examples? Some can be semi-easily explained....others not so much.

 

Passivity is a mystery. The only thing I know is, it is not based on a typical American thinking of "most" shots. It has been notoriously inconsistent during the games.

According to the UWW rules passivity occurs "anytime the refereeing body determines a wrestler is blocking, interlocking fingers, thwarting his opponent and/or generally avoiding wrestling". But it is also mandatory that one of the wrestlers be put on the shot clock at the 2 minute mark of a 0:0 match. So they generally issue the first warning at 1:30 so they can give the second warning 2:00 and put the wrestler on the clock.

It has been explained to me that in the mandatory situation they generally award the wrestler who controls the center of the mat better. With that in mind I keep track of who has their butt to the center of the mat and who has theirs to the outer edge for the first minute or so. The guy with his butt facing out almost always gets the first two warnings. 

Control of the center is not the same as most active. So if the guy with his butt facing the edge is taking half shots, doing feints and snaps, etc. it generally has no bearing on the passivity determination.

On 7/23/2021 at 2:08 PM, SWINfan said:

Thanks again for this.  I had some extra time on my hands and went back and watched all three matches again.  

If you or someone else could watch the Yianni match again and explain to me the scoring in the first :35 of the 2nd period,  I'd appreciate it.  I'm still a little cloudy on FS scoring at times, but that action happened so fast I was lost.  Watched it twice in a row and am still lost. Lee was up 8-0 and then it was 13-4 after the flurry

 

I am only so so on FS scoring myself, but here goes my attempt.

When NL gets in on YD's legs, YD chest wraps him and throws NL over for 2. Then as NL rolls  he traps YD's left arm and exposes him for 2 of his own. 10-2.

Next NL comes to his knees and throws YD over his shoulder for 2, but YD rolls through and exposes NL for 2 of his own. Because the action was continuous they did not stop the match after NL's 2 even though he was up 10 at that point. 12-4

Finally, NL reverses YD to come out on top for 1. 13-4

19 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said:

 

How did that get scored?

Now we know where to go for all our transportation needs.

On 5/26/2021 at 12:15 PM, ReformedPoster said:

I was curious to see how he did this past season.  Per Nebraska's site, he only wrestled 2x, both extra matches in Nebraska's first two duals of the season.  He lost 8-4 to Dylan Anderson of Minn and won 12-2 vs Conner Corbin of Iowa.  I know he was behind Schultz, who was ranked #1 at one point, but I expected him to see more action.  Anybody have any insight?  Was he injured?  Covid?

He is just stuck behind Eric Schultz. While Schultz lost in the round of 16 this year, he was ranked #1 at one point in the season and entered the NCAA tourney as the #2 seed. Of course, he then got pinned by the #31 seed. I expect that if Schultz comes back for a fifth year that they will redshirt Allred.

On 5/10/2021 at 5:27 PM, bigballerb said:

Thought I would comeback to this. Lee just said RBY is going up to 141 on Instagram so I’m going to assume he’s moving up as well.

Something to consider is that these guys have a history of saying stuff like this on social media during the off season that later turns out to be them having fun with us. Im not saying that is the case here, but it causes me to be less certain about the IG post.

On 4/21/2021 at 11:09 PM, Ingotdad37 said:

Andres Russi all Americans for Juliet Catholic , former wrestler at lake station Edison , I believe he is the first all American in his schools history !!

Joliet Junior College.

10 minutes ago, MattM said:

I didn't look into it but it maybe based on that weights had automatic bids to the final series and which spots were were decided just through the challenge tournaments. That would factor in what avenues were available to work out the official top 3 finishers.

That has to be it. Burroughs at 74 and Snyder at 97. So really it was true third, but second got decided too as a matter of course.