Wrestling Scholar

So you're talking about the watered down ratio. Well Kansas isn't the worst with 1 class per 728K population Wyoming has 3 classes per 573K population or 1 class per 191K. That's equivalent to 34 classes in Indiana. Montana has 3 classes per 1Mmm or 1 per 334K or equivalent to 20 classes in Indiana. Oklahoma has 4 per 3.94 Million or 1 per 985K. Nebraska has 4 per 1.91Mmm or 1 per 475k or or equivalent to 14 classes in Indiana. Oregon has 5 classes in about 4 million population. Georgia is class crazy with most at 7 classes. There population is 10 Million or 1 class per 1.4 million or 5 classes in Indiana.

two years in a row, the scholar causes the class wrestling debate to go viral on Indianamat. You're welcome.

That's easy Joe. The big schools would monopolize more and small schools would be squeezed out I bet small school placing would be cut in half.

So they didn't want a thumping again from an Indiana School. Sounds legit to me. I wonder what @Doctorwrestling thinks about that.

Wasn't it Portage that went to a dual tournament at Detroit Central Catholic a few years ago. I think they had a stacked team, I don't remember if they won or not but they competed well. Does have the results? I think the top teams like Cathedral, Brownsburg and Mater Dei would compete well against a lot of the National teams in range of to 11- to 50 and the Indiana teams get a little under rated in the national rankings.

What would help wrestling, if the IHSAA let one of the Indiana nationally ranked basketball teams to compete in a big national tournament with teams from California or Florida. Then we could ride there coattails, and get some teams in the Ironman, then get some attention. Im glad to see there is some possible movement on competing against national teams as long as Indiana doesn't travel under 300. EHS Coach, that's a good perspective on why the IHSAA doesn't allow the travel. That would be a huge carrot to a young athlete to have the opportunity and fun to travel to a national tournament. I could see kids transferring for any sport (basketball, football, wreslting or even Softball or track).

The 10 Guys from Indiana are really high mostly higher ranked guys (Paris, Red, Lee). But this does show the lack of depth in Indiana and as to why not a top 10 wrestling state. Ive heard in the past that this stat is schewed to favor or give advantage for states with more D1 wrestling programs like Pennsylvania, Ohio, NY and Michigan. But check states like Georgia, Colorado and Missouri. Colorado and Mizzou have 1 program each and Georgia doesn't have at all and they are still beating Indiana. Its too complicated to blame class wrestling.

https://news.theopenmat.com/college-wrestling-news/2019-di-ncaa-qualifiers-w-home-states-and-hometowns/72211 I think an objective stat to objectively compare states is the NCAA qualifier by state. The report doesn't summarize it but you can see what state dominate. I think its representative because it shows how much high end talent comes out. The top 3 states are Pennsylvania, New Jersey then Ohio. These are consistently your top 3 states for qualifiers. Illinois and Minnesota New York have a lot of qualifiers. I wish i had a way to summarize this but Indiana had 8 last year.

Kind of want to watch it. I think the video in the Link by AOberlin doesn't open. Its a picture. Are you having success opening it?

Here's some info the Scholar compiled related to the new classifications from performance at State. State champion by class based on team points. There's been a discussion in the past about recognizing champions with this method IHSAA does not recognize the classifications. 4A- Indy Cathedral 3A-Roncali 2A- Bellmont, Northwood 1A-Shenandoah State Qualifiers 4A- 92 or 41.1% 3A - 57 or 25.4% 2A - 53 or 23.7% 1A- 22 or 9.8% State Placers 4A- 51 or 45.5% 3A - 26 or 23.2% 2A- 24 or 21.4% 1A- 11 or 9.8% Analysis Again the bigger schools dominate again with class 4a with 11% of the schools getting 41% of qualifiers and 45% of placers. Class 1A gets roughly 10% of placers and Qualifiers. Surprisingly 3A and 2A are very similar statistically with 3A slightly beating out 2A. Indiana probably will never have class wrestling, but are the smaller schools really happy with this? You have some great athletes that will always have a very difficult time getting recognized at the state level. Its just accepted in Indiana, and I have mentioned before that many small schools embrace the "Hoosier syndrome". "Hoosier Syndrome" is the small school mentality that the small schools can compete with the big guys and occasionally pull off the big upset, and that's better than just competing against the little guys, a theme essentially inspired in the movie "Hoosiers". We've had the argument if it affects participation and stats are inconclusive in my opinion. Ive been around and seen both sides. Just to explain another perspective. Back in my home state "Kansas", they are a believer in class wrestling and are immersed in class wrestling. Ive discussed with some Kansans in the wrestling community and they have a hard time wrapping there heads around one class. But the state tournament there is broken into 4 classes similar to the surrounding states. Its seriously flawed in that they wrestle the tournament in 3 locations. The small class (made up of about 70 schools) goes out to a small town in Western Kansas called Hays and have their own tournament. They host the tournament at Ft Hays State a D2 college wrestling program. Most of the towns in western Kansas are small, so its geographically centered where most of the small schools are. But the joy of it is there's a lot of kids and fans that get to participate. Hotels are sold out, and restaruants are busy during this weekend. There's caravans of cars with windows painted going to state. They really embrace it and love they get to spend the night at a hotel. The ironic thing is the small school wrestlers think they're great because they qualified and believe there level is close to the bigger classes. Its tremendously watered down level of wrestling compared to Indiana, but the kids are ignorant of that and they believe that qualifying for state is just as big of achievement as it is in any other state like Indiana. Ignorance is bliss, but they kids are proud and having a good time.

Also, think about this. Wrestling would not be the first sport to get replay review ok'd by the IHSAA. Rembember, were not a priority Just imagine if wrestling had video review and basketball and football didn't. Football and basketball coaches would freak out and demand video review because wrestling had it. Wrestling and basketball are the poster childs and take leads and no way would wrestling get it first. So if basketball and football got review approved by IHSAA, then possibly the IHSAA would be forced to consider review for wrestling. This is just like wrestle backs. Were not going to get wrestle backs approved by the IHSAA until basketball or football get wrestle backs. We cant have our own special need until basket ball gets to try it out 1st. .

That's a possible idea, but then somebody would request it at team state or the Al smith or team state or some other big tournament, then down slippery slope. Also, think about this, if we didn't have experience in the season with replay, you wouldn't get the bugs worked out. You would have officials, coaches, and filmers and tech people inexperienced with using this technology. You would have a lot of problems with inexperienced camera men and tech issues. You would have coaches and referees with no experience on what situation you could review. I think you would have serious problems at sectonals and regionals. Who would play for the equimpment to be used a few weeks a year. The other issue is that could add a lot of time to wrestling meets which generally are already to long. You potentially could add hours to a meet with more bored fans in the stands watching nothing.

I think it would generally help, but not the panacea you think. But I think to do correctly you would have to implement this across the whole state for the whole season, and you just cant bring it out for the sate finals. I don't think right to change the rules for the state tournament. The problem with that is to do this, ever high school would have to invest in some live camera system and video system that can be replayed. You're going to have to add an additional volunteer person for each table at every meet that had video skills and probably a tech person. There would be additional cost for each school to invest in a system that would meet a certain standard. Also, maybe the refs might need some training. It just would make an administrative nightmare to implement this on a widespread scale.

One concern I have with the rating system is that the coaches get the officials mixed up sometimes and give a rating to the wrong person. Id like to quote "Little Vito". He got 29 votes and only had involvement with 9 of those schools this year. BigBlue02 mentioned he had votes from schools he didn't work this year never had worked. The Scholar also does some officiating believe it or not. I got 29 ratings votes this year. (Note I didn't get any 1s) Yea. Here's some some of my stats. Of the 29 ratings from different schools I received, I only worked matches with 11 of those schools this year (JV or Varsity). I just counted all the schools that I did see this year and I counted 40 schools. I might of missed one or two. But of those 40 schools, I only got 11 ratings votes. So only 27.5% of the coaches voted. Also 18 of the 29 ratings, I had no matches with this year or 62%. Also, some of those schools could be ratings with memories of prior seasons. But 12 out of those 18 votes, I have never officiated with those schools in prior years either. Obviously there's some confusion. Some of the more experienced well know refs probably get more accurate results since the coaches know them better. In dual matches, we sign books that might help the coaches remember who we are, but a lot of times they probably don't always remember the officials names. I was thinking of an idea. Maybe print some business cards and give that to the coaches after the match. I wonder if the coaches would appreciate this? PS: This is only meant to be constructive, and is no criticism of the coaches, so please hold that against the refs in the ratings.

Oh, I get it. You posted the same article 12 hours earlier than i did, and I basically repeated that same thing you said. Don't you hate it when people don't read through the whole thread then copy your whole idea and try to look smart. I hate that also. That's like social media copyright infringement. I would give you Bananas to make up for it, but don't you have an unlimited supply?

Are you saying my post was something like this.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/basketball/wnba/fever/2019/06/24/bankers-life-fieldhouse-renovations-force-indiana-fever-relocate-outdoor-plaza-ice-skating/1528316001/ I just googled and found this article. It said renovations wont affect pacers home games. So probably it wouldn't affect the wrestling.

How about Will Crider with come back win. Harrison's first state finalist in history of school. Don't count him out tonight Uncle Jimmy.

Confirmed. The 1st round is being scored. Yeaaa. Progress.

To be fair, there wasn't that many calls to Faulkens about suitable undergarments

Friday Night ticket consy semis and quarter finals ticket round matches are better in Ohio are better. The best guys who earned their spot by working across the bracket, get their opportunity to be all-state or not. The crowd is also into it. Its not based on a lucky draw coming out of an unbalanced and flawed SS qualifier system. There's a lot of guys that cant reach their goal of placing due to an unlucky draw, and a lot of lucky guys who do get to place

Im not as close to as you are, but is there really 100s of call during sectional week for alpha weights? I didn't know that. Are these calls from coaches trying to clarify or correct last minute issues due to misunderstanding of rules or are they other coaches calling to say that other school's Alpha weights aren't right and they look like they're cheating?

Gen heavyHandz: Hope you recover and doing better. I was seriously hoping to hear your stream of updates on your son or little captn HeavyHandz is dominating the Iowa youth wrestling scene. Your son needs the General in the corner, lets get well. Don't forget to let us now when your son wins those championships.

How about the pre-vent red carpet fashion show. Each wrestler shows up in there avante garde outfit, and gets points from the judges. GenHeavyHandz might gain a few points here.

Does sound like a sad story? What happened?