Y2CJ41 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 In all honesty, if you can put a big guy out there who's really strong and has a good gas tank, he'll go to state 9 times out of 10, regardless of whether he knows anything about wrestling or not. So you agree that pull-ups are more important that wrestling moves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Lovin the posts re technique and big guys. YES, you can pretty much ignore technique with them and they'll do fine. That's the point the supporters of lighter weights being more skilled are trying to make. As long as they don't lock hands on top you've pretty much got yourself a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I cannot believe coaches have not figured it out sooner, but now that the cat is out of the bag watch out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Go watch the HVY weight finals at the Midlands. This is the best of the best at the Heavy weight division. The winner had the Pillsbury dough boy printed on the back of his singlet. It went into 6 overtime periods with no offensive points scored. It doesn't get any better than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hawaiian Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Lovin the posts re technique and big guys. YES, you can pretty much ignore technique with them and they'll do fine. That's the point the supporters of lighter weights being more skilled are trying to make. As long as they don't lock hands on top you've pretty much got yourself a winner. As a father of a Hwt I will say although it takes a different set of skills than lightweights, it still takes great wrestling skills to be a top tier state guy. My son survives on good technique, or else at 260lbs you couldn't and wouldn't takedown a decent 285lbs wrestler, or for that matter get away from him from the bottom. It's the only weight class youwill see a 20lbs-50lbs weight difference in 2 opponents! If you do not create angles a bad shot results in the house being brought down on you, and do you know what kind of athlete with good hips that it takes to blast double a 275lbs monster, or the footwork to snatch up a single of 280lbs and to be able to finish? Yes, watching bad Hwt's can be pityful but the same poor technique happens with kids that just dont know how to wrestle, but the big guys seem to get talked about more.....Just My Opinion!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I cannot believe coaches have not figured it out sooner, but now that the cat is out of the bag watch out! Y2 coaching his HVY in a match. Half, Half, Half.... Keep going, Keep going... Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodogs Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I guess I will just have my big guys work on pull-ups instead of wrestling technique because according to you if they can do a few pull-ups they can be state champs. I never knew it was so easy. Look at Harvey last years state champ not alot of wrestling knowladge but very strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenaciuos1 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I see a lot more pisspoor technique from the lower weights, and for example does position not count when someone is a 1/4" from midget status? I don't find the lighter weights that entertaining because they always seem to be out of position. Since when is wrestling on your butt or on a hip good technique? That will get you reversed in the heavys and maybe straight to your back (this is just one example). I think we need more data though, so why not start a midget basketball league so we can observe if the phenomenon of the midgets being better at the sport and the technique's involved could actually be measured. Probably could lower the baskets to 6' so the taller ones could dunk. I think this could give us the missing link we need to push this argument forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlerBlack77 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 If you dont like heavyweight wrestling, just dont watch it. Why are you guys complaining about them like they should get rid of the weight class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 How many pull-ups can you do WrestlerBlack? If you can do 30 you could be a state champion this year!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerwrestler Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Go watch the HVY weight finals at the Midlands. This is the best of the best at the Heavy weight division. The winner had the Pillsbury dough boy printed on the back of his singlet. It went into 6 overtime periods with no offensive points scored. It doesn't get any better than that! I was hoping the freshman from Iowa won, actually. Also didn't care for the attitude of the doughboy, but he won. Would like to see a technical, speedy, strong middleweight take him down too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockies62 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 103lbs Southridge in 2009 Also in 2009, Calumet only had four wrestlers I am fairly certain it happened in 2008 or 2010, just trying to find it. 2008 Plymouth Sectional 103: 3 wrestlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlerBlack77 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 How many pull-ups can you do WrestlerBlack? If you can do 30 you could be a state champion this year!!!! I know I really need to work on that. I mean why would I use technique to win state when I could use pull up power! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I know I really need to work on that. I mean why would I use technique to win state when I could use pull up power! Well get off the damn messsageboard and start doing pull-ups!!! What the heck are you waiting for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 So you agree that pull-ups are more important that wrestling moves? Only if you can do a pull up. If not maybe some technique will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I see a lot more pisspoor technique from the lower weights I would get to an eye doctor immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 All kidding aside. Naturally the weights on both ends of the weight scale are going to have some issues. Not every team in the state is going to find quality wrestlers to fill those spots. They don't all find quality wrestlers to fill weight. However, the wrestling by the top 20% is very good. It is just a shame that truly the middle weights were the ones most effected by the weight changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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