PORCH DAWG Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Laying on the Porch with to much time on my hands and I haven't seen this thread in a while but with all the conference Brackets posted and a few of the tournamats I've seen this winter I'm begining to see/think that perhaps the IHSAA and Coaches assoc. need to visit this disscussion again. If I can take a 90# flute player and win 15 matches out of 35 : perhaps we need to start the classes a little heavier . Nothing againest the little guys some of the 103's and 112's I have seen are awfully darn good but if a third of their matches are forfeits maybe some minor adjustments are needed. I 'll just throw my thoughts out there before my before lunch nap. 110-116-122-128-134-140-147-154-163-173-185-205-235-300. GOOD LUCK TO ALL WRESTLERS THIS WEEKEND AND MOST OF ALL THANK THE GOOD LORD FOR OUR ABILITIES TALENT AND SAFETY . THE PORCH DAWG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire77 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 What do the coaches think, they are probably in the best position to know if this would be a good idea without messing up too many wrestlers. Are there enough 235 lbers or would this be a forfeit also? Would this be something unfair for the smaller wrestlers? I know the IHSAA won't make any changes but this sounds like a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachRyan_Delta Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 with 205, 235, and 300, you're going to have A LOT of upset football coaches if kids are "cutting" to 235. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I love how every couple of weeks we revisit the same issues over and over, but just a different thread name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I love how every couple of weeks we revisit the same issues over and over, but just a different thread name. The issues are always the same, it is just how the question is posed that changes! Kinda like politics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scardy94 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I know this year I have seen just as many forfeits around the 119-125 area as 103 if not more. I think we need 103. I have a kid weighing 97 lbs. and if the first class was 110 he would be worse off than he is. I think we would lose the smaller guys that come out because they barely weight 100lbs. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Douglas Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I think this problem is only a problem for the smaller schools. Our 103 pounder has received maybe 1 forfiet if any. We have had other weights with more including 189 and 215. I can't see why coaches would want to have another weight class for the bigger guys. To me these matches are boring while 103 is usually very exciting and the actual level of good wrestling is far above 189 and 215 on average. We need to be more fan friendly and the upper weight classes just are not as exciting as the little guys. If the smaller schools don't want to recieve forfeits they should change their schedule to include larger schools. Coach Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 wrestling is one sport still out there for the little guy. I agree that 103 should remain. There is excellent quality around the state in the 103-125 weight classes. I think it would be a mistake to eliminate a class. My vote if a weight class were to be added---would be between 171 and 189----i.e. 171, 182, 193. If we had to give up a weight I would do it in the middle---i.e. 133 then 140. The quality at 171 and 189 is very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachRyan_Delta Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 wrestling is one sport still out there for the little guy. I agree that 103 should remain. There is excellent quality around the state in the 103-125 weight classes. I think it would be a mistake to eliminate a class. My vote if a weight class were to be added---would be between 171 and 189----i.e. 171, 182, 193. If we had to give up a weight I would do it in the middle---i.e. 133 then 140. The quality at 171 and 189 is very good One of the hardest conversations I've ever had with one of my kids: An 8th grader of mine went to a Colts camp this past summer. He came back and when I asked him about it, he was pretty much in tears. When I asked him what he learned, he said that he learned that he was too small to play football. Tough (and expensive for mom and dad) lesson to learn. We are a very competitive school for football and, to be honest, this kid will never play a down here. But he's not a bad wrestler and, because THERE IS A 103, he can participate in a fun, challenging, amazing sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo1 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I hear a lot of talk about dropping the lighter weights at the high school level. Look at the schoolboy level, the weight classes are changing to drop some of the heavy classes. This is because there are tons of small kids and only a few big guys in the schoolboy division. So where do all the small wrestlers go and where do all the big guys come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No One Famous Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Anyone who has wrestled, or been part of a program will agree that wrestling teaches kids so much more than just wrestling. I weighed around 90 lbs as a freshman and wrestled 98lbs as a sophomore, and wrestling taught me so much about work ethic and overcoming obstacles. Wrestling is the only sport that kids of all sizes can compete. The little guys often times are better skilled than the heavyweights, and more fun to watch. IMO we should keep the weight classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No One Famous Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 It will be interesting to see the overall stats, but after the first 10 sectionals were posted, there is only 4 more wrestlers at 285 than 103. IMO, that does not justify getting rid 103, or creating another weight class between 215 and 285. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 The fact that over 20% of 103s and nearly 20% of HWTs are being forfeited should be alarming to all. No one has ever advocated getting rid of wt. classes, only adjusting the weights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoCoach Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 # of forfeits per weight class Zionsville Sectional (12 schools) 103 - 1 112 - 2 119 - 3 125 - 2 130 - 0 135 - 2 140 - 1 145 - 1 152 - 0 160 - 0 171 - 0 189 - 2 215 - 3 285 - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecomets Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 105 115 122 128 135 140 145 152 160 170 180 190 215 285 How about these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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