WadeDuPont Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 The IHSWCA should create a survey through survey monkey, then send the link to all head coaches. The results should be published for review by all coaches, then decisions can be made based on the said results. What are some of the questions that should be asked in regards to team state? I'll start. 1. Why do we include teams with less than 7 wrestlers that have no chance of winning a dual? Next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Here are the teams with 3-6 wrestlers on their sectional roster and their placement in the team state standings. I doubt they care because there is no way they can make it into the event. Northeastern 1A 67 Providence 1A 70 Indianapolis Lutheran 1A 76 Cowan 1A 78 Wood Memorial 1A 88 Providence Cristo Rey 1A 89 New Washington 1A 90 Forest Park 1A 92 Covington 1A 93 Bremen 1A 94 Randolph Southern 1A 97 Pioneer 1A 98 Wapahani 1A 99 Taylor 1A 100 Tri-County 1A 101 Hammond 2A 71 Salem 2A 89 Western Boone 2A 90 Knox 2A 93 Eastbrook 2A 94 Indianapolis Emmerich Manual 2A 95 Blackford 2A 96 Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory 2A 98 Gary West Side 2A 99 Mishawaka Marian 2A 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randalllynch Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: Teams that have 6 or less wrestlers don't care about being included. I would guess they don't even look at the scores because they can't qualify. When we have our first team with only 6 wrestlers and they all win state maybe we can include them in the discussion. As a team that only had 6 this year at sectional, you guess wrong. I use it to motivate the kids I have and as a marketing tool to continue to get more. Exclusion or the perception of exclusion will only hurt small schools trying to build up. Edited February 9, 2018 by randalllynch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 22 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: Here are the teams with 3-6 wrestlers on their sectional roster and their placement in the team state standings. I doubt they care because there is no way they can make it into the event. Northeastern 1A 67 Providence 1A 70 Indianapolis Lutheran 1A 76 Cowan 1A 78 Wood Memorial 1A 88 Providence Cristo Rey 1A 89 New Washington 1A 90 Forest Park 1A 92 Covington 1A 93 Bremen 1A 94 Randolph Southern 1A 97 Pioneer 1A 98 Wapahani 1A 99 Taylor 1A 100 Tri-County 1A 101 Hammond 2A 71 Salem 2A 89 Western Boone 2A 90 Knox 2A 93 Eastbrook 2A 94 Indianapolis Emmerich Manual 2A 95 Blackford 2A 96 Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory 2A 98 Gary West Side 2A 99 Mishawaka Marian 2A 100 Couldn’t you say the same for the teams in the bottom let’s say 50 (it’s probably closer to teams not in the top 30)? They really don’t stand a chance of making it, why count them? I’m sure they don’t care about their score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, buscowrestling said: Couldn’t you say the same for the teams in the bottom let’s say 50 (it’s probably closer to teams not in the top 30)? They really don’t stand a chance of making it, why count them? I’m sure they don’t care about their score. They have a chance based on the number of entries. Anyone with less than 7 entries cannot get into the event even with all state champions returning with MAX points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) All I can say I’d look at Randall’s post. You might feel he is wasting his time, I don’t. I don’t think exclusion of any team is good for the growth of our sport. Again I think if we feel that the classes need changed going with a cap on number of kids per school to determine the class is a more efficient, and inclusive way to determine the classes. Edited February 9, 2018 by buscowrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, buscowrestling said: Couldn’t you say the same for the teams in the bottom let’s say 50 (it’s probably closer to teams not in the top 30)? They really don’t stand a chance of making it, why count them? I’m sure they don’t care about their score. That's a good point. Less than 12% of teams are going to make the team state tournament. So whats the difference if you have 3 wrestlers or if you have 14, but those14 cant score enough points to get there. The 3 wrester team was out the beginning, but 70% of the teams are out after regionals. And if your'e basing the qualifying score on this years team, its totally irrelevant of how many wrestlers they have next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, buscowrestling said: All I can say I’d look at Randall’s post. You might feel he is wasting his time, I don’t. I don’t think exclusion of any team is good for the growth of our sport. Again I think if we feel that the classes need changed going with a cap on number of kids per school to determine the class is a more efficient, and inclusive way to determine the classes. That's great, you can put points with a team. Just take them out of counting for classification. They have NO shot at making the event, you are watering down the tournament with that. I know how you don't want our tournament watered down, right? Ohh wait if watering it down gives your team a better shot at being invited it is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Look at Joe man, he used to be the champion for small schools... you should be ashamed... look at what going to a large private school has done to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: That's great, you can put points with a team. Just take them out of counting for classification. They have NO shot at making the event, you are watering down the tournament with that. I know how you don't want our tournament watered down, right? Ohh wait if watering it down gives your team a better shot at being invited it is fine. Foiled my master plans again!!!!! Your getting good at making stuff up in your head and throwing it out there. It’s not possible that I vote the way on this issue because of the reasons I stated earlier, and have stated every time this comes up. You guys always ask why people don’t explain themselves on the forum. It might be because every time we do people make up things in their mind and throw random accusations at you. Edited February 10, 2018 by buscowrestling Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, TripleB said: Look at Joe man, he used to be the champion for small schools... you should be ashamed... look at what going to a large private school has done to you... We will be again someday as long as we can keep the teams with lots of forfeits in the selection process!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, buscowrestling said: Foiled my master plans again!!!!! Your getting good at making stuff up in your head and throwing it out there. It’s not possible that I vote the way on this issue because of the reasons I stated earlier, and have stated every time this comes up. You guys always ask why people don’t explain themselves on the forum. It might be because every time we do people make up things in their mind and throw random accusations at you. True or false Adding teams that have no legitimate shot of making the event waters downs the classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said: True or false Adding teams that have no legitimate shot of making the event waters downs the classes. True Your turn- which more accurately represents every team in the state? A. Everyteam in the state that has wrestling. B. Everyteam in the state- except for 17 or so. Jcjcjc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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