Chris Cooper

Faulkens said at our meeting that the reason they don't have seeding for football, basketball, etc was "look at what happens in wrestling." 

I'd say in wrestling that 12-13 of the 14 brackets in every sectional (sometimes all 14) generally separate the best kids.  Of course there is an occasional bracket in which this doesn't happen, but this is not the norm.  There are 448 sectional brackets and of those there are usually only a few that don't have the best kids separated.  

A random draw is just awful (I know most other sports always talk about seeding).  With a random draw with 8-10 teams you might be lucky to separate the best kids in 2-3 of the 14 weights.  

No matter what criteria is put in place, you are not going to get 100% of the brackets correct.  

It seems like addressing specific situations/coaches that try to take advantage of the criteria seems like a better option than abandoning seeding all together.

While I'm here, I may as well try to add to the discussion even though this clown has me all riled up.........since wrestling is so weekend oriented, would pay be big factor in being able to keep good refs also? I have no idea what IHSAA refs get paid for their time but considering all the abuse they take and being away from their families so many weekends, I would only assume it has something to do with it. Personally I appreciate what they do.

At the seeding meeting for HHC we were told that they pay was $300 per official for the Varsity meet.

Chris Davis (Floyd Central) was one of the officials at the HHC tournament this weekend. He is an outstanding official.  Very decisive with his calls, knows the rules, controls the wrestlers, table help and keeps the match moving.  We travel a lot with our schedule and see officials from all corners of the state.  In my opinion, he is already one of the best out there, and I believe he is a first year official.  He is a great addition to southern Indiana officiating.

I always love it when youthful weakness is estimated to be specific to whatever current generation is young.

 

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”

--Socrates, 5th century BC

 

Young people are weak and cry--it's been a fact of life reflected slightly differently in every generation since the beginning of man. But the respected coaches who are responding in this thread recognize that sometimes the best long-term antidote to lack of discipline is a little encouragement, grace, and support--not always a fear-based, need-for-control kick in the a**.

This quote didn't come from Socrates, and it certainly isn't 2500 years old.

Regardless, I do agree with your point.

This was said before, but way too many weight classes for this. I think most of these girls just want to wrestle other girls, even if that means they combine a few weights.

Back to just hard work. No Fun Allowed! Hate him or love him the perfect example is Coach Snyder. Remind me how good Brownsburgs program was before he got there. Or Portage before Vega. Or Penn before Harper. Etc. There are examples out there. It has more to do with coaching and adjusting to the times than trying to recreate an old vision!

Coach McCormick, class wrestling? Really? I thought we were kindred spirits!

The coaches you mentioned have done a phenomenal job, no question, and I respect them a lot... but these programs weren't starting from scratch. Youth coaches at Brownsburg built up their club before Snyder arrived, Penn has a tremendous enrollment to draw from, and Portage has exceptional tradition from the Coach P days as well. I'm not downplaying what these coaches have done, these teams have accomplished great things, but these examples are far from the norm.

From experience I can say it takes an unbelievable amount of work to start from essentially scratch and build up a program that can compete on a yearly basis. Even then a competitive team only goes so far. You have to put an additional amount of work in promoting your meets to increase attendance. Including elementary and middle schools in your meets will go a long way, but takes tons of leg work, planning, and persistence. I'm pretty confident in saying that adjusting scheduling rules to include more weeknight duals will not increase attendance nor participation levels. However, working at increasing attendance at your currently scheduled weekday meets COULD increase participation.

We have 6 weekday dual meets on our schedule. Our JV kids are lucky if they get a match in 2 of those 6 meets. If parents new to the sport don't like sitting in a gym most of a day on a Saturday to watch their kid wrestle a couple matches, you can bet they like even less the 45 minute drive on a weeknight to sit in a gym for an hour and not see their kid wrestle at all.

I'm thinking we'll have more than usual with Danville having like 10 total wrestlers.

It is what it is !

I'm going to say 2 rounds of Forfeits this year .

Haha, this comment was too good to pass up.

Still need a 285.

We had 14 graduated seniors and 7 kids from other schools... #oldtuffdudes

Team Balboa

106- Joey Gordon, Jeremy Clark

113- Cayden Rooks

120- Jake Schoenegge

126- Grum Rooks

132- daws Combest, Trevor foster

138- Corb Pollitt

145- Jack Eiteljorge

152- Josh Cooper

160- Austin Wilson, Josh Zamarripa

170- kam fuller

182- lane Goode, Tyler Morris, Brycen Copeland

220 Austin Sheckles

285- dalton anderson

Team Balboa arrived today and will attend a Florida technique camp featuring Olympian Jared Frayer starting this evening.

Vaughn lost a dec at 145, by 1 pt I believe. 152 Bam won by ff, I'm pretty sure the Nauman 152 missed wt. Also I think Brey Bailey won by fall at 132 with a hip toss

Hughes had a td, then legs in doing his thing, Bell was able to back arch into a defensive fall

I think Parris was up 6-2? I thought he had 3 td's.

Amazing competition. Team Balboa took one on the chin vs Team Nauman Goofy, very solid team. Finished 1-2 in our pool. Team Balboa is Columbus East plus Xander Stroud, Kyle Hatch, and Andrew Chapman.

Filled, thanks for the interest.

Just when you have the team full and everything covered....

Columbus East needs a 145 for NHSCA Duals in Va Beach over Memorial day weekend.Cost is $60.

Contact Chris Cooper, cooperc@bcsc.k12.in.us

Weigh-ins Friday, May 27, wrestle Sat, Sun, Mon.

$60 was for entry only, no gear.

Our kids paid for their gear already.  We use it for Disney and some other events as well.

Spot has been filled, thanks for the interest.

Columbus East needs a 152 for NHSCA Duals in Va Beach over Memorial day weekend.  Cost is $60.

Contact Chris Cooper, cooperc@bcsc.k12.in.us

Weigh-ins Friday, May 27, wrestle Sat, Sun, Mon.

Just playing devils advocate here...you do realize that 2 of the 6 or 7 voters were from your conference, right?

Believe me, I'm well aware...

I feel we should have been included. I was surprised when we didn't earn enough points to be automatic bids to begin with, but we did have some tough losses at crucial times in the tournament series. No fault of our kids, we just didn't have our best matches at some critical times. It wasn't lack of preparation or effort, it just happens sometimes, it's wrestling, we lost to good kids. In the grand scheme of things, we aren't going anywhere that's for sure, we are just getting started.

I honestly thought the committee would see us as the best team that didn't get an auto invite. It didn't happen. Fine. It's our job to see that we are not in this position next year. Like Colat said in the flo video, gotta be 10 points better than the official... Same mentatility applies here.

Nathan Walton didn't want to make 170

Blake Mulkey and Brayton Lee wanted to be on the same team as their teammates(Walton, McCormick, and Mills before injury).

Brendan Black wanted to be with his teammate Triana

 

On top of that Walton, Lee, and Black all enjoyed their time as Gorillas last year. They also don't mind paying less and getting a lot more gear on top of that.

 

I guess when you treat people right they want to come back, it's what happens when you put out a superior product.

I'm not a keyboard warrior so I won't defend this position all day with replies, but I would like to give my opinion. Posting on here is generally a lose-lose opportunity if you don't spend all day defending it, but here goes.

I think Indiana should make an effort to put the best team out there, especially since it's hosted in Indiana. Joe, back handing the efforts of those who put the Indiana Gold and Blue together is a bit counter productive. I think it's great that there were a lot of Indiana kids who had the opportunity to compete, but an effort in state should be made to get the best team together.

I understand Walton, if he can't make the wt then that's valid. Beyond that, put the best kids on one team.

Adam Wilson of Trine tonight, 5-7 pm as always!

Great room last night!  50+ from Columbus East, Martinsville, Floyd Central, Jennings County, Seymour, and Madison all getting better.

Thanks to Coach Bradley for the technique and drill session.

No RTC this coming week due to Spring Break.  We will be back at it the following week (March 24th) with Wabash College coaches.

Awesome practice ran last night from Indiana State Champ Briar Runyan. Kids from Columbus East, Floyd Central, Jennings County, and Martinsville all there getting better.

Next week Coach Bradley from the new Marian Knights wrestling program will be in to run the show!

I knew someone would be picky....

Bump

Great practice and great room to start the RTC season off.... No off weeks! Thanks to Coach Trapp for running practice.

At it again next week with IHSAA State Champ Coach Runyan of Martinsville.