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The 171 lb. bracket for the E'ville Semi-State is wrong. In the first bout at 171, the IHSAA pairings have 1A (Brock Wathen, Jennings County) vs. 3D (Garrett Shepard, Paoli). In the last bout at 171, the IHSAA pairings have 3C (Shane Sneed, Floyd Central) vs. 1B (Joey Todd, Bloom. South) The brackets posted here have Shepard and Sneed turned around.
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Here's my post from an earlier thread with the addition of the names. In '89-90, the runner-up at 103 from Evansville Harrison (Matt Stevens, I think) and the 3rd place finisher at 112 from Southridge (Chad Williams, I think) practiced together the week before the state tournament. This constituted a violation of IHSAA rules and both wrestlers were forced to give up their places. This was a fairly common practice back in the 70's and 80's (at least down here in sw IN). There was no one else from either team who qualified for state, so the two coaches got together with their wrestlers so each would have a competitive drill partner. Also, Devon Nelson of Mishawaka was pinned by Eric Early of Ft. Wayne Northside in the '90-'91 state finals. He was also pinned in the 103 state finals by Jason Terry of Cathedral in '91-92. I don't know why the DQ was issued in '92. Both DQ's in '89-'90 were issued after the matches had been wrestled so the same thing could have happened to Nelson in '92. The only time I know of where a DQ took place in an actual match during the finals was in '74 when both wrestlers in the championship at 177 were DQed for stalling in overtime. They were Mike Mutka from Highland and Larry Vaughan from Indy Manual.
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Sectional winning team pulling out of team regionals! (Coaches!)
theckman replied to HN Vikes's topic in Past Discussions
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You have the 1's and 3's from a regional in the same half bracket. It should be the 1's and 4's from the same regional could meet in the semi's, while the 2's and 3's could meet in semis, right?
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Where as the ass't. ref, on a grassy knoll? Sure sounds like a conspiracy to me (he said sarcastically).
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Nothing past the sectional is seeded, either. It's a 1st place finisher vs. a 4th place and a 2nd place vs. a 3rd place. You'll see several semistate champions that did not win their regional. Remember when they used to publish the regional and semi-state draws in the winter bulletin? That made for some "interesting" results.
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I don't disagree with your comments. It just as you said, the rules are the rules. Sometimes those rules produce outcomes that don't set well with lots of peopel.
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Apparently, he wasn't expelled from Franklin. If he had been, I don't believe he would have been eligible to enroll in any school in the state, right?
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If I remember right, and that's always in question, Oser had beaten Warren. The Boonville wrestler was moved up to 171 from 160. He was seeded ahead of Warren because of a better overall record. I think that's how it happened.
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After the seed meetings take place at the host schools tonight.
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But you have to use the criteria set up. You can't just give someone a seed because you think he's the best wrestler.
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The Big 8 Tournament at Princeton has been delayed one hour. Weigh-in will be at 9:30 with wrestling starting as soon afterwards as we can get it going. I was told there will be a 2-lb. weight allowance.
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Disqualification Mystery... state finals
theckman replied to Zen_Wrestler's topic in Past Discussions
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I've done some wrestling in the back seat of a car and in a van. Took a dive once in a while, too........
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Don Patton was the coach from Delta who won all those state championships. Heard him speak on a panel at a coach's clinic once. Said he never wrestled a day in his life. Worked at a gas station all through high school. Said the secret to being a good head coach was to surround yourself with good, knowledgable people.
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If he was born in 1955, he would have graduated in '73 or '74, right? Back then, there were 8 regionals and the regional champ qualified for state. I skimmed through TAE's book and don't find anyone named Roberts or a wrestler from La Lumiere listed. One or the other source is wrong?
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Disqualification Mystery... state finals
theckman replied to Zen_Wrestler's topic in Past Discussions
In '89-90, the runner-up at 103 from Evansville Harrison and the 3rd place finisher at 112 from Southridge practiced together the week before the state tournament. This constituted a violation of IHSAA rules and both wrestlers were forced to give up their places. This was a fairly common practice back in the 70's and 80's (at least down here in sw IN). There was no one else from either team who qualified for state, so the two coaches got together with their wrestlers so each would have a competitive drill partner. Also, Devon Nelson of Mishawaka was pinned by Eric Early of Ft. Wayne Northside in the '90-'91 state finals. He was also pinned in the 103 state finals by Jason Terry of Cathedral in '91-92. I don't know why the DQ was issued in '92. Both DQ's in '89-'90 were issued after the matches had been wrestled so the same thing could have happened to Nelson in '92. The only time I know of where a DQ took place in an actual match during the finals was in '74 when both wrestlers in the championship at 177 were DQed for stalling in overtime. -
Oops.....I missed Miller.
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According to the bible of Indiana wrestling, Echoes of the Elder, Pete Knecht of Huntington North was the 1994 145 lb. state champ with a record of 32-6. Following are right behind: Jeff Tuttle, Delta, 31-5 at 132 lbs. in 1987 Rob Pavletic, Hobart, 30-5 at 160 lbs. in 1989 Fred Joseph, Portage, 46-5 at 152 lbs. in 1999 Hector Mendez, E.C. Central, 48-5 at 125 lbs. in 2002. T. A. E.'s book goes up to 2002 so there may have been more since then.
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Yes, they all need to have a common opponent. Hoehn beat Kelly, who beat Chambers. That would seed Hoehn above Chambers. However, neither of them had any common opponents with Griesemeir. So that throws out the common opponent criteria.
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The 3 wrestlers had no common opponents and no head to head competition. The criteria came to returning champ or runner-up in the same weight class. Based on that criteria, Chambers earned the no. 1 seed.
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Apparently, in order to enforce it, it first has to be reported. I don't know how it is verified but there have been coaches suspended in the past couple of years for "allowing" a wrestler to drop too much weight in too short a time. When an AD I know was talking to Bobby Cox about it and mentioned he didn't think the rule was very clear, he was told in no uncertain terms and very rudely that the rule was very clear and coaches needed to understand that.
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Questions for TAE or other historians or "older" wrestlers
theckman replied to AJ's topic in Past Discussions
In matches, there was overtime in tournaments where you had to have a winner for advancement purposes. I can remember calling matches in a sectional where there were 3 overtime periods wrestled just like the regulation match. If it was still tied at the end of the 9 minutes, the referee (and there were no asst. refs then) had to decide who he thought was the better wrestler. You don't think that didn't cause some uproars? Sheesh..... The outcome would be stated as, "Winning by referee's decision.......".