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Sarcasm? Rochester had 7 kids of 15 there that were from Rochester. Garrett only had 10 of 15 from Garrett...Carroll had at least 4 FF's...Sarcasm...right? Summer duals cannot be too indicative of the season unless all your kids do is wrestle.. We would not gotten on here and claimed anything otherwise had we won either...I wasn't able to be there, but I was happy to hear some of our individuals had good days...BUT the conversation is already over. I have come to grips lol

We counting Iron Eagle ??...I kid I kid

yeah me too...It's pretty sad to think about...I'll admit I did a lot of research..he was dismissed from the IU team fro selling fake drugs to an undercover cop and had some other run ins...pretty sad

I showed what he looked like before he became strung out and fought a bunch of swans...I didn't report the story on here..

I really hate to admit this, but somehow he had eligibility and wrestled at Delaware Valley as a senior and beat me at the regional when I was a junior. He was the national runner up that year. He looks pretty dang rough in this picture compared to how I remember him.

Coon tech's Gable

Early is in the finals as well!!!

Humphrey wins again...tighter than the score appears...won on scrambling and a nice high gut!

Coach DeVaux actually coached me for a year at Trine. Fantastic coach with a lot of knowledge!

Can you bump the thread of the final scores? I'm going to discuss it with my AD

eyyyyy good idea!

Yes. All valid points and good talk. Again, I seriously don't have a solution and it is hard to predict. It was a cool tournament the last two years and I'll be sad to not be a part of it this year. As for my comments above it was not a knock on any team or kids listed. Purely opinion and perception.

My initial argument doesn't matter if it's Rochester, Southridge, or somebody else that is in. I'm blown away that we didn't get back in. I wasn't so much hung up on the Peru argument. That was more my buddy lol. I don't care who we could have potentially replaced. And after more research, maybe Gavit got hosed. Simply put, some teams make it based on where they're at and I don't know that the adjustments do justice. Something needs to be changed. I don't have an answer as to what! For example, Jimtown brings some good kids back, and would kill us at an individual tourney with their firepower. It's not unreasonable to think we COULD win 8-9 matches against them in a dual. Some of their returners our returners have beat. Now, we would be likely coming back from down 18 with those studs, but who is to say we couldn't beat them in a dual next year? I am NOT saying we beat them, but I'm saying maybe we could. So that being said, let's just assume for my argument that Jimtown will be undefeated going into team state with their toughest match being New Prairie before team state. (unless their schedule changes) So Jimtown gets seeded top 4 hypothetically and will probably place top 4. So if we could have a dual that is right there neck and neck or possibly beat Jimtown it seems wrong we aren't there. This is not a knock on JImtown. They are freakin' tough and placed 5th this year and had a crazy tourney team. It's just an example of a team that could possibly be beat in a dual, at least a nice dual, but we couldn't touch in a tourney. Yes the 152 was a specific, but the 6 regional qualifiers compared to 10 was not directed at anybody...I made two numbers up and went with that...the comment about teams getting kids through to regional was actually about a different regional on the other side of the state where they qualified this year and actually may have scored more points than us in qualifying the prior year. At least the scoring was close. I do not have a better alternative. I'm just griping and it doesn't seem right.

To be honest I went back and reread what I said and I really shouldn't have even posted, but you are 100% right

The schedule makes a difference to me. Just one example, because I've got to get back to work, but one of the returners from a team that qualified has the same exact record our kid had at the same weight. Our kid tech'd that kid early into the 2nd period. I think that could be the case at a few weight classes. Sure we didn't have the best schedule in the state, but it was pretty good this year. We had numerous times this year where our .500 kid would beat a kid who was 25-10, or whatever. Our individuals ran into Al Smith, Yorktown, Jimtown x2, Prairie Heights x3, Central Noble x 2, Carroll x2/3 times, Indian Creek, Wawassee, Northridge, Leo, and other good individuals and decent teams. So, just looking at Heights, Jimtown, Yorktown, Carroll, and Central Noble you could see how some of my middle light weights could rack up some losses.

Yes, the whole set up feels ridiculous to me. We are returning runner ups! The other kids: Only 3-2, but was 500 as a sophomore and was behind a Semi State Qualifier and a Regional Qualifier this season, who had a winning record.(The 3-2 kid had beaten the kid in wrestle offs, but never won the series and couldn't get into our lineup.) The second was 11-6 and stuck behind the Shearer brothers, but did have a solid win over a regional qualifier.(again, couldn't get in the lineup) The third was a Regional Qualifier the prior year as a sophomore with a winning record who will be back next year and was not with us this year. ALL OF YOUR POINTS ARE VERY SOLID, but I'm not even making it just about those other teams. I researched all of the available vote in teams and researched the teams that made it. There are teams that made it because they have 3 absolute studs, or teams that make it because they get so many regional qualifiers based on where they're at. There are teams that automatically qualified because they had 3-4 absolute studs. Does that mean they win a dual against a certain team? Does having 10 returning regional qualifiers from "this regional" make that team better than the team who has 6 returning regional qualifiers from "that regional?" Going into this previous season I had researched teams and already knew ahead of time some teams were in because of the points they accumulated by having Regional Qualifiers. Did they truly belong? Some of those Regional Qualifiers had 4-5 kids in their weight class. So, basically next year if my team gets 12-13 kids to Regional we are automatically in because those kids are underclassmen. We will see how the season goes...maybe we aren't worthy and not very good. The returning runner up thing bothers me. I don't consider our program a flash in the pan so I guess I'm just confident we will be solid again next year. Maybe it's false confidence, but I guess if I didn't have that I wouldn't be a very good person to be leading this job. What about Gavit? I wasn't aware of how well they were doing until I researched them. They went 31-1 in duals and beat New Prairie by a point margin one less than Yorktown beat them. (Both teams won soundly.)

Curtis and Garcia

Actually, we will have 11 kids who have been varsity starters over the last two years. Yes, I did put that in our team state notes/criteria.

Just 8. Plus two others kids who have started in the last two years. So 10 of our starters next year will have been starters in the past.

Feels ridiculous to me. Garrett has overshot their expectations the last few years. Unseeded and placing 7th, with two injured starters two yeas ago. This season we were seeded 4th and placed 2nd losing 37-33 to Wawassee. So, when in vote in consideration you don't vote the returning runner up who has exceeded expectations the last two, three seasons actually...seems pretty illogical. The "we want new blood in the tournament" would be a pretty crappy argument.

I've been following along on track, but I always miss some Indiana guys. Thanks for your coverage. I know there aren't a lot of responses on here, but I'm reading them, so I appreciate it!!!

Had 32 wrestlers in the room with representation from Garrett, Homestead, Dekalb, Carroll, Northrop, Concordia, and Eastside. Solid first club! We will go again Thursday from 6-7:30!

Without the defensive pin make it 54-21...I just figured a dual between JC and Yorktown and I had Yorktown winning by 18. Obviously we will never know.