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Ohio doesn't count because you don't crown one champion per weight.  

Lee Kemp won his 2nd state title in 1974 and I STILL consider him the best wrestler ever to come out of Ohio. 3x NCAA Champion 3x World Champion. By the way, he won when there were 2 divisions and he won the smaller school division.

Ummm he is a coach and won a few matches in his day.

 

I received a copy of the email from Robert Faulkens, wrestlers will receive one extra pound tomorrow. 

About 177 of them...lol

When I lived in Ohio I attended every State Final from 1974-1996. Since I moved to Indiana I have been to every one since 1997.

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Maybe it's just me, but I find the logic of this deal odd.  A rule is created mainly by people living in the Indy area.  The rule will result in the disenfranchisement of kids in northern Indiana.  Then the same Indy people who created the rule are saying we need to unite around the ISWA?  How does that make sense when mostly Indy people just created a rule that will drive northern Indiana people even further away from the ISWA.

I did a very quick and unscientific count of the ISWA Board and all it's Directors (not counting the office staff who are employees). 32 Board positions and 16 have 317 area codes. One of those lives in Ft Wayne. So now you are down to less than half the ISWA Board living in the Indy area.

This situation was clearly mentioned in the points of emphasis in this year's NFHS Rules Interpretation.

Tom Clark

IHSAA Rules Interpreter

I would call it just like any other unnecessary roughness penalty which is any act that exceeds normal aggressiveness.

It is illegal in freestyle and obviously Greco Roman wrestling, but not folkstyle.

Unless the athlete is attempting to injure his opponent, there is no penalty.

Tom Clark

IHSAA Rules Interpreter.

Reece actually has bye 1st round and the wrestler from Mexico in the 2nd round. The Russian is in the other half of the bracket.

Grecofref,

 

Ok,  so more detail of the hypothetical situation.  So say Red's team is down by five in a dual and this is the last match of the dual, and Red gets the spladle,  almost has Green pinned, is up by 14 and has the nearfall points that are earned and not awarded.   But Red defensively pins himself and ref recognizes it.   Then the ref should stop the match award the Red Team the tech fall and 5 points, resulting in a tie dual meet?  Of course the dual would  then by decided by critera.  

Yep that's correct.

but what if red pins himself while trying to get the fall?.......never came out of the pinning combo but put himself on his back.......according to the case book page 90 it seems that would apply in this case.......

Red CANNOT lose in any way shape or form unless it's Flagrant Misconduct once the nf points have been earned and that would included pinning himself.

So nothing like the good old Continuation of the Move in freestyle....

You are correct....and that doesn't happen often. I will alert the media.

Let's try it this way.....

Red is ahead 14-0 and puts green on his back in a pinning combination. The referee begins his count for near fall. Once the referee counts to two, red cannot lose unless he commits an act of flagrant misconduct.

The proper term is near fall earned (not awarded). Once the referee gets a two count in for the NF red has won by at least a tech fall. The referee should allow red to go for the fall. If green comes out of the pinning situation the match is over. Red could only lose of a flagrant misconduct foul.

Tom Clark

IHSAA Rules Interpreter

Rule 5-11-1 page 21 of the rules book defines the defensive fall.

When any part of both shoulders or both scapula of EITHER wrestler are in contact with the mat for two seconds....

Tom Clark

IHSAA Rules Interpreter

How can we have an event of this magnitude in Indiana with 60 something youth teams and only 1 team from our state? I was asked to work the Women's Duals because they are freestyle rules a couple of months ago, but I signed a contract for a high school event over a year ago and honored it. A couple of weeks ago I received an email about officiating the high school rules portion of it. Again I already had a contract for Saturday and I committed to the ISWA Elementary Duals on Sunday. Plus I will not work a NUWAY event because their "owners" up in Michigan  sometimes get their facts confused when trying to sell their product. They are a FOR profit company by the way. I don't begrudge others for being involved with them, it's just my personal choice.

Outside of 2 emails looking for my services which I quickly forgot about, I never saw one marketing piece for the NWCA Duals from the event organizer.

Maybe this will help?

Posted December 27, 2014 - 04:45 AM

i think i see the problem here......i went to school in that state just north of here and probably didn't get as good of english studies as you did and therefore am just not as smart as you so sometimes i use improper punctuation and phrases........lol.......heck i can't even do capitol letters to start a sentence and stop at one period?......i will try to refrain from the use of quotation marks......and i am not uncomfortable with you questioning me.......i have thick skin.......

Your football team isn't as good as the state east of us either.....Go Bucks!!

so in reality was Dave killed at the farm in the fashion it was depicted in the movie that much later (8 years)?......i take it he was still coaching there at that time?......if dupont was really that weird, why did they all hang on and stay there?.......just because he funded everything?.......i was waiting the entire film for him to come out as gay and want to be with Mark.....was he that also?

 

my take on the movie was that it totally went in a different direction than i thought it was going to.....definitely a "dark" tale as you put it.....

Yes Dave was killed as depicted in 1996. the last shot DuPont fired was in  Dave's back as he was trying to crawl away. He died in Nancy's arms.

Dave was still coaching and training for the 96 Olympics. At the time he was our number 1 guy at 163.

They stayed for a number of reasons. The training environment, the money, they didn't think he was dangerous, the others stayed because Dave was there.

I don't know that DuPont was gay. There was one lawsuit filed stating he made advances. I think most people there would describe him as "a sexual."

I saw the movie tonight and I will see it again. One thing to keep in mind when you read this is that I know Mark Schultz and knew Dave Schultz and John DuPont. I had been on the farm and in the mansion a couple of times. I'm not asking anyone to agree nor am I looking for a debate. It's just my take on it and maybe a little history.

What it isn't...it isn't Rocky or Vision Quest or Rudy (he was offside by the way), or Remember the Titans. It's not a film that is going to draw a lot of people to wrestling. It's a dark drama BASED on a true story with complex characters and situations that ended in the murder of one of our greatest wrestlers and maybe wrestling's greatest ambassador.

It's not 100% factual. One of the biggest liberties they took was having Mark and Dave living on the farm at the same time. They never did. Mark was there first and then left. Dave came later and stayed too long.

They combined some time. It's hard to tell this story in 2 hours so they combined and skipped some years. For example in the movie it appears Dave was murdered shortly after the 1988 Olympics when in reality he was killed in 1996.

What it is...

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Ruffalo as Dave Schultz, Steve Carell as John DuPont and Channing Tatum as Mark Schultz had their characters down pat.

Ruffalo-the first time I saw him walk in this movie it almost made me cry. It WAS Dave's walk. If I would have seen it from behind I would have sworn it was Dave. He had his mannerisms down as well. The only thing he didn't capture was Dave's sense of humor. Dave could come up with a one liner out of the blue and make you laugh. More about Dave later.

Carell-He portrayed DuPont as the creep he really was. when the Team Trials were held in Philadelphia he would invite the referees out to the farm. I would liken it to having an audience with the Pope except that would be an insult to every catholic on the planet.

Tatum-He walked like Mark as well. I always thought Mark was a brooder and I think Tatum got that right.

Real wrestlers-lots of real wrestling people including Reece and Jordin Humphrey. Their dad Jim Humphrey was the coach at Foxcatcher in the late 80's and our 88 Olympic coach. He left well before Dave's murder.

The sets-very realistic. The scenes on the farm especially. What they used as the exterior shot of the mansion was not real. The internal rooms were like I remember them. One building they didn't show was the Carriage House. DuPont had a collection of antique carriages and wagons. He had one from Gone With The Wind, a Wells Fargo Stage Coach and Cinderella like carriage. The security system alone was like $50,000.

The Farm itself had like 17 houses on it. You could hunt deer there and fish. There were fire hydrants. He really did have an army tank.

There is a scene when Dave is in an office at the Farm where there are headshot pictures of wrestlers. I remember those being there and I think he had some of them in the mansion as well.

The singlets, the warm ups, even the bags were just like the Foxcatcher equipment issue. I had a t-shirt at one time and polo shirt. I burned them both shortly after Dave was killed.

A little about DuPont. I can't begin to describe what a creep he was. Each time I was around him I felt like I needed a shower. No one ever said no to John DuPont. On Black Monday he lost something like $13 million. The story in the movie about his mother paying a kid to be his friend is supposedly true. I had heard several times even before he shot Dave. DuPont did do some good with his money. USAW started the National Teams program which our top 3 guys in each weight get a stipend. There are a lot of stories about DuPont, but I have already wasted enough time on him.

Mark Schultz was a 3 x NCAA Champion and also  a 3x World Champion (1-Olympic and 2 Worlds). He was a physical specimen. One of the most athletic things I ever saw him do was after a loss and off the mat. He lost to the Russian in the finals of the World Cup in Toledo Ohio, walked out the back door of the arena and threw his plaque about 30 or 40 yards right in the middle of the Maumee River. I told him about it a couple of years ago and he said he remembered that. He also told me that he very proudly does not have any 2nd place awards in his possession. He threw all of them away. A 2nd place Big 8 medal is somewhere on top of Gallagher-Iba Arena. Mark is an emotional complex individual. I hope he finds peace someday.

Dave Schultz was one of my heroes even though we were born 4 months apart and I refereed some of his matches. He had a charisma about him that is difficult to describe. I NEVER heard anyone say they didn't like Dave. I saw him get standing ovations in other countries when he placed 2nd or 3rd. He learned to speak Russian on his own and he was more famous there than here. The Bulgarians, the Iranians, the Koreans...everyone loved him. I believe he was our best technician without (by far) being our best athlete.

When our National Anthem is played at a wrestling event, I say a silent prayer and then I think of Dave Schultz....not once in a while, but every single time.

The movie was tough to watch. Especially the end. I remember where I was and how I heard Dave was shot. I couldn't believe it then and I still can't. I believe Dave's murder held us back as a country. I think Dave would have been our national coach and we have flourished under him no matter what the rules.

If you are a wrestler I encourage to google videos of Dave and Mark wrestling. they were a joy to watch.

Tom Clark

Prayers from here.

Just approximately and on the average, how many double stalling calls would you guys say you make in a season?

There is no average and no certain amount of times. Double stalling is justified when neither wrestler is attempting to score. This would include hand fighting, pummeling, gaining head position, etc...without ATTEMPTING to score.

Tom Clark

IHSAA Rules Interpreter.

Great story!

Per the Foxcatcher website, it open in Indy on January 16

I'll bet there is another side to this story

Asics is bringing back the Dave Schultz shoe, which was originally called the Ultra Flex.