Too Much .

7 hours ago, Beamaker said:

Just finished watching the California state finals matches. Some spectacular wrestling. I honestly believe Indiana’s state finalists would match up very well with California’s finalists this year.

 

would love to see our 150 v. Ca 150.

Well the kid who was ranked 5th at 150 in California. He is the Gilroy kid who teched/pinned Bo Bassett at Who’s Number 1. Most people said it was because how big he was but late in the season he dropped to 138 and ran through the bracket . Cali 150 Champ also was Super 32 finalist two years ago losing to Sergio Lemley in Championship . 

5 hours ago, blueandgold said:

Sometimes, I’ll go back and look at old brackets to see how things have played out in high school years later. This Novice 70 bracket from 2018 stood out to me as well as several others. Here were the top eight finishers. It’s interesting to see what all of these kids have done in the six years since then.

 

Novice - 70

Guaranteed Places

• 1st Place - Parker Reynolds of Contenders Wrestling Academy
• 2nd Place - Evan Stanley of Region Wrestling Academy
• 3rd Place - Landen Haines of Red Cobra Wrestling Academy
• 4th Place - Chase Stephens of Maurer Coughlin WC
• 5th Place - Camden Baumann of Maurer Coughlin WC
• 6th Place - Jeffrey Huyvaert of Rochester WC
• 7th Place - Gavin Jendreas of Bulldog Premier WC
• 8th Place - Asher Harter of Greenwood WC

This one always stuck out to me when me and a buddy checked recently . Not for the placers but other studs in this bracket and how deep it was . This weight division had 58 kids and also included 

Tyline Thrine 

Clinton Shepherd

Silas Stits

Julianna Ocampo

Gavin Lewis 

Lucas Boe 

Wyatt Hoppes

Camden Baumann

Carter Krouse

Jett McGuire

Elijah Guyer 

Wyatt Cooksey

Sam Howard 

Jackson Bradley 

48 minutes ago, TeamGarcia said:

 
Technically you’re right but the Elite stay here in Indiana for 1 State Champ per weight class not 4,5,6, sometimes 9 if you live in Georgia.

So we went to Illinois to avoid the Elite ? I think we have a wrestler named Ben Davino at the same weight class this year in Illinois and knew what weight class he wrestles . Sergio Lemley looks like he did pretty good in Indiana as a sophomore and must have been running the other 3 years . This might be one of  the dumber comments you have made. We live in Indiana and love the Indiana set up with one class . But acting like Indiana one weight class is superior to all other states because of one champ seems like a crazy statement . 

1 hour ago, MatTime said:

Interesting. Would be nice if the state champs were on opposite sides. They should be seeded 1 and 2 so as to not face each other until finals. 

 

How does seeding work currently? Semi-State champs separated and everyone else blind draw?

Just finding out Illinois uses criteria for 1 seeds only . Biggest point getter is returning State Champ , next runner up 3-8th. 37 + wins , 32-36 wins after . 

4 hours ago, M109R said:

Something was off with Huyvaert Saturday. Not just the Walker match but the 2 prior matches as well. He was not very offensive at all. Possibly sick or injured???

Hard to be super on everyday with kids as I know one day can look different than the next . Season of sickness but no time to rest now as they will have to battle through it . 144 is a pretty well rounded bracket and can’t wait to watch it play out 

8 hours ago, DawgPoundRed said:

You say we recruit because it's the only way you guys can justify how we are so good and out work everyone 

I agree with True region fan show me evidence or drop it 

 

We just dominated the semi state like no one else in history how about praise our team for their greatness 

 

 

Bend the knee sounds stronger . Or Kneel before us. Good luck this weekend ahead as I can see 10 placers possible after the draws. I’m not sure what a record is for a team with State placers but look to be in some good spots .

12 minutes ago, DawgPoundRed said:

Gotta support my CP regional guys, he has a great coach too 

 

You want me to do Illinois picks too? Lots of Indiana love especially at 32. You guys should be here winning 32 

Bisping ran into CP guys who were state champs from Sectionals on since a freshman  . So I’m definitely glad to see him winning and being on the podium . Huyvaert and Zar were a close match both in tough quarters . Zar getting Reynolds Saturday morning is not an easy match . Huyvaert vs Courtney in rematch from the semifinals also. 

7 hours ago, DawgPoundRed said:

106:Jones 

113: lewis makes adjustment and doesn't get a bogus stall call 

120: Jenreas 

126: Hawkins probably won't give up an offensive point 

132: Thrine 

138: shep- hopefully leavell doesn't act all wild when he loses 

144: Reynolds 

150: Kesja 

157: brabender 

165: rino 

175: Costello why did Penn raise his hand? Scared 

190: bisping dude is way underrated 

215: will 

285: paul 

 

Team title???? Red Dawg break the team record then we add 3 more state title contenders to our line up next year and win another 

Man Huyvaert loses a close one and you give up on him quickly . Now on the Bisping BW

4 minutes ago, Banks said:

are you putting this in placement order or just who is making it out in general?

Just making it out 

1 hour ago, Banks said:

Every other semi-state have a predictions thread so I might as well open up the talks for east chicago, lets hear the predictions.

Moving to State my top 4 not in order

106- Jones .Newell , Chantea, Robinson

113- Lewis, Harper, Mcknees, Orueta

120-Jendreas, Dallinger, Aubin, Origel

126 Hawkins, Horn, Bennett, Maldonado 

132- Demarco, Robson, Rivera, Fritz

138 Shepherd, Smith, Reid, Fritz

144 Huyvaert, Walker, Kirksy , Stanley

150 Harper, Kaptur, Bohn, Kasprzak

157 VanTichelt , Pellot, Brabender, Sessions 

165 Rinehart, Beck, Mavros, Sinks

175 Costello, Crisp, White, Popp

190 Bisping ,Freeman, Weiand, Reading

215 Clark ,Chicoine,Deming, Bartoszek

285 Clark , Beck, McNutt, Johnson

5 minutes ago, igotcaught said:

Before the semi’s Crown Point will have 4 wrestlers facing top 10 opponents as well.

Out of those 4 . CP heavy favorite at 215. At 144 big underdog. The other 2 at 132/150 a toss up I would say. 

1 hour ago, igotcaught said:

I’ve seen a lot of talk the past couple years that CP benefits from their semi state compared to Brownsburg. The talk started up again this year and realizing how tough CP draws were I did some research. 
 

CP has 14 wrestlers trying to qualify for state. In their way are 12 different state ranked opponents. (86% chance CP will wrestle a state ranked opponent to qualify.) Brownsburg has 13 wrestlers trying to qualify for state. There are only 7 state ranked opponents in their way of qualifying (54% chance BB will wrestle a state ranked opponent to qualify.)

 

I noticed CP got really tough semi final draws. CP could have a state ranked opponent in every semi final compared to 12/13 for Brownsburg. But here’s the madness. CP has 6 different Semi Final matchups against Top 5 State Ranked wrestlers (4 of those are ranked top 2). Brownsburg will face 0 top 5 state ranked opponents during the semi finals this weekend. 
 

Evansville is still clearly the harder semi state and I would argue that the two toughest individual draws between CP and BB are Gibbs and Haines. But I think the evidence above proves that CP will have to earn their state title this year just like Brownsburg/ CG will. 

Before the Semi Finals though to even punch their ticket Brownsburg will have need 4 different kids to beat a Top 10 kid .106 have to beat kid ranked 8th. 120 who is multi time placer will need to beat the 3rd ranked kid. Gibbs at 150 and ranked 3rd will have to beat returning state runner up . 175 pounder will need to beat the 5th ranked kid. So in order to score team points at State you need to get there. CP favored in 12/14 matches in ticket round. While Brownsburg 9/13 using the state rankings . 

3 minutes ago, Christopher Bohn said:

Illinois did not have full wrestle backs in 96 and 97 when I wrestled in that state.

They just switched it from the follow the leader in the last few years . 

5 minutes ago, blueandgold said:

This is how it’s done in Illinois at the state level and I think it’s a good method.

No it’s not follow the leader. It’s true wrestle backs in Illinois now . 

26 minutes ago, ZZ TOP said:

Is that EST or CST? 

CST 

2 hours ago, TrueRegionFan said:

106 - Jones

113 - Dickman

120 - Jendreas

126 - Hawkins

132 - Hockaday

138 - Shepherd

144 - Huyvaert

150 - Krejsa

157 - Pellot

165 - Rinehart

175 - Costello

190 - McConnell

215 - Clark

285 - Clark

 

10 ECSS Champs would be wild. Not saying I don’t like some of the picks. But not sure if or when one SS has won 10 weight classes 

3 hours ago, MatTime said:

I have come to realize that there is a bigger picture and my comments were from a narrow view. It is difficult to accept that reclassifying is a norm for truly top talent. When they are reclassified it does force other top tier kids coming up to have to consider doing the same thing. Creates a cycle. 

 

However, wrestling is ultimately an individual sport. Families that have started the journey with their athletes at a young age have worked tirelessly to put them in the best positions to be successful. The success is mostly defined by college scholarship to a good D1 wrestling program or a program that will pay the bulk of the college bill. If reclassifying an athlete is a good way to get reach this goal, what is going to deter families from considering it? 

 

I get size and maturity arguments also. 

 

Does it suck for those kids that could have been multi state champs or placers but for having to wrestle 15-16 year old freshmen and geting those draws? Of course. But are the decisions being made based on how other kids and families feel about reclassifying? No. 

 

The schools and IHSAA allow the loop holes. Families take advantage of it for their athletes in order to continue to put them in the best position to be successful in the sport and in college, as they have done since they first started in the sport at a young age. No different, perhaps, than cutting weight to be at the optimal competition level. The goal is to win and get colleges to pay for schooling. 

 

I hate it but I get it. 

This has been the rules for many years . Kids graduate at 19 doesn’t seem that crazy to me. But it definitely seems to be happening more and more . I have heard people say they would never do that and as time went on realized how often it happens, especially with the kids who travel and do a lot of National type duals. No kid is allowed to be 20 in Indiana competing . My son was a 3 Time Middle School Finalist ( 2 time Champ). And his hold back year didn’t do Indiana Middle School State . We used it to help academically , give us more time to decide on school, and another year to mature. But everyone has to choose what is best for their family. 

2 hours ago, navy80 said:

Anyone have results from the previous duals? I remember they were great duals!

2022 it was 31 CP - 29 MC and 7-7 on matches .

2023 it was 36 CP - 29 MC and 7-7 on matches .

1 hour ago, From the Stands said:

Yeah, I’m throwing out 7 potentials and asking do you think they can get 5.  

I would say 5 for sure definitely have a chance. I think in modern era no team has had more than 4. So if done could be a record breaking year . 

3 hours ago, GenHeavyHandz said:

Won’t happen.  

The disrespect for Thrine seems crazy. Saying it won’t happen like it’s a 100% no chance for him to get under the lights at 132 against Hockaday. Let’s not forget this kid is a special athlete who went unbeaten as a freshman versus a Kid who is wrestling at VTech now who finished his high school career 3, 2, 1, 3 and the 2 was against a 4 Timer. Last year the runner up was considered a lock . That’s what makes this sport great is on any day someone can knock off a so called lock.

1 hour ago, navy80 said:

Who is this kid?

 

I knew he was good coming in.... but he beat Brady Ison 3-1. Ison has been a STUD for four years in high school. Then he beats STATE CHAMPION Kyrel Leavel 6-4. He pinned place winner Wesley Smith as well. Really? When have we seen a freshman beat accomplished seniors? Only Nick Lee that I can remember.. but Clinton is on another level.

 

He was rated as the number 2 middle schooler in October 2022 behind fellow STUD Evan Stanley.

 

2. Clinton Shepherd--8th grade--Crown Point--120--(132-138)

10-0 at VACs, 2^nd at Super 32, 3^rd at IHPO, (5-2 at IHPO 2021, Tulsa 12U 2nd, NHSCA duals 6-0, 8-0 at the Bear Duals(OW), 6-2 Nat MS Duals, BlueGrass Nat Duals, 6-0 Supreme Killer Duals, 5-0 at Sparty Duals, 7-1 GRR duals, 3rd at NUWAY Nationals, 7-0 Mat Mayhem duals, 3rd and 5ht at Indy Nat, ISWA state champ) * 2021 Super 32 3rd place (coin flip), National Middle school Duals 5-2

 

Will he be a four timer? 

 

I can't see Ison or Leavel getting beat by a 'freshman' their senior years.. But this kid is different. 

 

He is ready and has beat a lot of state champs and qualifiers from across the country . Super hard worker who puts in the extra time . 

42 minutes ago, DawgPoundRed said:

Huyvaert is killing everyone, coming out of the tough Crown Point regional. He dominates and majors(at least) his way to his first title. Come on New Prairie get Jeffery in more tough matches, you have some studs build a tougher schedule 

Thinking too small . Jeffrey can get individual invite to the Ironman next couple of years and maybe bring a teammate or so. If they don’t like the tournaments just have him miss an easy dual or two . 

8 hours ago, Jayruss said:

I can see the #1-7 winning this weight and it is completely wide open! Any other weights come to mind ?

So far I think Huyvaert has been the most dominant . He hasn’t wrestled the same type schedule as some others but has scored bonus points in every match including scoring 17 points on another Top 5 ranked kid this season. 

2 hours ago, AndyStJ said:

The most interesting thing here, aside from the top 4 seed being strong, is that 9 of 14 number 9 seeds made it to day 2. 

It’s one spot difference and I think most 8/9 match ups are a toss up most the time.