bog190

Quad view seems to be working now.

Such a tease

Quad view working for anyone?

Super disappointing 

Post them and keep the process transparent.

10 minutes ago, Juggernaut said:

I'm guessing they pulled them down to correct them & when they come back they will be as they had them originally on the ihsaa live broadcast 

Looks like they're back up and as shown on the IHSAA show.

10 minutes ago, HolsteinKing said:

was on the ihsaatv site and still can't find the brackets.  I see the link for the finals on Friday/Saturday.  Can anyone help?

Looks like they'll be on track at 6 ET.

33 minutes ago, buscowrestling said:

If a team is 1-20 and had 8 wrestlers, they would count, I don't get why that team should be in, and a team that is 1-20 with 5 wrestlers shouldn't be.

There is a pretty clear difference in these two teams, in that one can mathematically qualify for the event and the other cannot, and one can mathematically win a dual against a full team while the other cannot.

You are using IHSAA logic with the "best team" garbage.  Narrowing the classes makes the event better, I think it's pretty hard to debate that.

As much as I disagree with you every year on these topics, I, and I'm sure others, appreciate that you are one of the few that actually posts the logic behind your votes on this stuff.

14 minutes ago, maligned said:

In my opinion, by the way, an easy solution to the "all-in" versus "genuine team minimum" for classification purposes is this: Count all teams with at least 3 members as we do now, but set a strict quota of 95 teams in 3A and 2A, with all the rest in 1A. The result would be roughly the same number of teams in each of the 3 classes having 7+ members--plus we would be including all teams with at least 3 members, which has been a sticking point for the majority of coaches in voting. But again, this didn't pass when it's been voted on a couple times alongside the strict 7+ option and the strict 3+ option.

I don't know if I haven't paid enough attention or if it's not been posted here, but this seems like a pretty good compromise.

It's silly regardless to include teams that can't win a dual.  It's unfortunate that the committee doesn't make their reasoning public on these topics, and instead rely on you to be the middle man.

Just now, Coach Brobst said:

Isn't Attica in East Chicago this year?

Yes they are.

29 minutes ago, buscowrestling said:

Do you have an approximate point range for the vote in teams at this point?

155+

At Fort Wayne 152 #17 Fielden (Garrett) vs #9 Macklin (Adams Central) in round one with the winner likely seeing #6 Stroud (Elkhart Central) in the ticket round.  Ouch.

Which is why I said it's the best we have. 

23 minutes ago, Raven27 said:

I guess I should have clarified that I do not have a law degree or any type of Doctorate.  That is seriously confusing.  But I appreciate the information.

 

Which is the biggest flaw in the system, very few actually know how it works and casual fans have little chance at grasping it.... But it's the best we have.

5 minutes ago, littlevito said:

I don't have any specific argument it was a generalization, but someone will come up with something. In the end, the fact that we have to base a next year's team and state situation on this year results will always be the biggest issue and argument. There are plenty of teams that end up being worse the next season but still qualified, while other teams end up being more competitive the next season and probably belong at the team state tournament. But we have to deal with what we get. The IHSAA dropping team state was a huge black eye on our sport. What the IHSWCA has been trying to do, although not the perfect situation, is what we need for our sport. The team atmosphere is what can help programs build numbers.

Fair enough.  I just don't see any way that it makes sense to include teams in the classification process that will not have programs in the year being qualified for.

11 hours ago, littlevito said:

I think the classifications you posted are what should stay. It's this year's teams earning the points. Even though two schools are consolidating, and others closing. It doesn't change the fact of what they were during the qualification process. Other wise you open up a variety of argument issues for teams.

4 hours ago, bog190 said:

What argument issues would you be referring to?  You are in favor of keeping schools that will not exist next year in the classification for next year?

Zero logic in that.

Still interested in your "argument issues" here...

Just now, infowrestling said:

He has the power to move your post behind his to give the appearance that he posted first............this is what I believe has happened

I wasn't going to say that, but I was thinking it.  I think it's pretty clear I posted first.

Joe beat me to it.

1 minute ago, WadeDuPont said:

Wasn't that already done in the above numbers?

That's less than 3, I believe. 

4 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said:

We need to first eliminate teams that enter 6 or less wrestlers at sectional. 

Would certainly make sense.

7 hours ago, littlevito said:

I think the classifications you posted are what should stay. It's this year's teams earning the points. Even though two schools are consolidating, and others closing. It doesn't change the fact of what they were during the qualification process. Other wise you open up a variety of argument issues for teams.

What argument issues would you be referring to?  You are in favor of keeping schools that will not exist next year in the classification for next year?

Zero logic in that.

I would enjoy hearing the logic against wrestlebacks.

1 minute ago, maligned said:

These ratings do not reflect your qualification score...you're earning that during the state tournament series.   ...is what I meant. I think people may have gotten confused that these were somehow connected to what particular teams' scores will be.

Far from "for entertainment purposes only" but thanks for the clarification.

9 minutes ago, maligned said:

These ratings have nothing to do with the Team State qualification process other than helping us assign the Category levels for sectionals and regionals. You earn your place during the state tournament series. These ratings are for entertainment purposes only. 

Come on, that's just untrue. They determine what regional 4th placer doesn't score for his team while a phantom fifth placer does.  

Incredibly misleading for you to say they have nothing to do with the qualification process.

9 hours ago, 5_CrossFaced said:

The freshman has “a” win over Martz, not sure how big it is if it brought him to .500

Cale Gray is tough, and I look to see him battle tough at this weak weight class.

Seems like a big win if no one else has beaten Martz, not sure what record has to do with it.