layinlow Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 are you sure he went 1-3? Because if you do pools, first criteria would actually be record. If he was 3-1 also then it would have been a 3 way tie for first in the pool and likely go by team points. If his record was in fact 1-3 then whoever was working it must have mixed the records up or something. I am refering to the heavyweight. Was there another weight that had 2 wrestlers from the same school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layinlow Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 One of my wrestlers was directly effected by this he beat the "extra wrestler" who went into the finals with a 1-3 record wrestling for 3-4.....where as my guy had a record of 3-1 was wrestling for 5-6 because of the way the pools went shouldn't first criteria be head to head matchups? Sorry, I quoted the wrong post previously. I am refering to the heavyweight class. Was there more weight classes that had 2 wrestlers from the same school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Ok I want to talk big picture here. Lets just try and come up with reason for and against teams filling in open spots with good JV kids. For.. 1) less forfeits for the varsity guys. 2) fills out tournaments so that guys get more matches 3) JV wrestlers get some varsity level competition 4) Coach of the JV kids gets to use more JV matches for one of the guys behind him on the depth cart. 5) Coaches get opportunities to see 2 wresters that are very close in wrestle off compete on the same level 6) Guys that beat JV kid have better overall record. Against... 1) Guys that get beat by JV kid has a worse overall record. 2) Less possible team points if wrestler get beat by JV kid 3) Possible to have 2 kids from the same school in the finals Lets here more on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtv2112 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Against... 1) Guys that get beat by JV kid has a worse overall record. Lets here more on both sides. Who is worried about this? Mom and Dad? He was going to be leaving with two losses anyway if he can't be the JV wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlittlejohn Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I've seen this done at a number of tournaments that I've worked and seen it work well with little negative response. The differnce being advanced communication and planning on the part of the tournament director. In order for this to work and work fairly, teams/schools/coaches need to know in advance that this is an option, therefore, allowing them to be prepared for the process. As TripleB mentioned earlier, this was done at the Jeff Classic last year. They new that the tournament was going to be short a team, so, in order to fill the brackets of the tournament they notified the schools/coaches in advance that there would be openings at each weight and asked the coaches to help fill those openings. It worked well and from what I heard the coaches liked having the opportunities for their kids. But, again there was ample advanced communication and an organized plan in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBacker Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 160 had two wrestlers from same schools as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 160 had two wrestlers from same schools as well Is that a good thing or bad thing? I would like to here from your side why this is bad for our sport. I am not trying to be combative on this subject. I am just trying to understand your side. As it stands right now. I would hate to see this practice go away. In fact I would like to see it happen more often. I am all for getting more quality matches for good JV guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I think the only issue I would come up with is seeding a jv wrestler over a varsity wrestler. I know that that could the throw the weight class into chaos, but that makes it all the more fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 If the IHSAA allows for multiple "varsity" teams, then could a school technically enter both their varsity teams into a regular season tournament? (I know postseason they can not) Since both teams are considered varsity, then their would be no "jv" matches on anybodies record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layinlow Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 The problem I have with it is every school there had extra wrestlers, they sat the whole day and got no mat time. If you are going to allow it for one school, it should of been offered to all the schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I am sure it was open to all schools. Sometimes a coach just has to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I understand that you have some frustration with the way you believe this was handled. I would just hate to see tournament director stop allowing JV guys to enter because it upsets a few people. This is one of those situations that the good of the group out ways the negative for the few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBacker Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I know I was unaware of the fact we could have extra wrestlers in the tournament I had plenty of guys in the stands that would of loved to been out there as well....... i'm with layinlow on this one make it available or let it be known you can enter extra guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchas Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Looks like there are at least 2 lessons here. 1) Coaches should ask if there are open spots 2) Tournament directors should let coaches know that all spots can be filled. Sounds like win, win to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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