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  1. No, the Back bow is illegal and was an added point of emphasis this past season. 2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Rules p.36 Rule 7-1-5q also, see p.77 picture 83.
  2. So, to put some clarity on this situation, after speaking with the official involved. There was a scoring error. The offensive wrestler had only earned a 2-point nearfall, which, did not earn the technical fall; therefore, wrestling was allowed to continue. The scorekeeper erroneously scored it as a 3-point nearfall which created the confusion. This, in fact, was a computation error, however, once it was brought to the tournament director's attention a conference with the official ensued and it was confirmed that the technical fall was never earned, thus, the reversal and subsequent fall were legitimate. It is unclear if the score was ever corrected in Trackwrestling, however, the correct result was entered. This may explain why the coach did not address the situation, immediately, it sounds like they may have been well aware of the correct score in real time.
  3. Keep in mind the specifics of this situation and the rules as quoted directly from the 2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Rules book. Various situations have different criteria for what can be changed and the time line involved, specifically, tournament (this case) vs. duals. The term to focus on is "earned", not, awarded. Again, once the technical fall has been "earned" the offensive wrestler cannot lose. With regard to other near-fall situations, a 2 or 3 point near-fall may be earned, yet, not awarded for various reasons; most often to allow for the near-fall situation to be concluded or possibly escalated. such as, a 2 point near-fall being escalated to a 3 point near-fall within the same sequence. Near-fall is not awarded at the conclusion of fall, because, once a fall has been secured the near-fall no longer exists; near-fall is exactly that, a "near-fall" or almost a fall, therefore, once a fall has been awarded there is technically no longer a near-fall in that situation. That is why near-fall is not awarded at the conclusion of a fall.
  4. If the offensive wrestler was subject to a defensive fall, after having 'earned' a technical fall, the match would then be stopped and the offensive wrestler would still be declared the winner; again, once the technical fall has been 'earned', the offensive wrestler cannot lose the match. If the technical fall is "earned" while the defensive wrestler is in near-fall criteria you simply hold off on awarding the near-fall score (that has already been "earned") to allow the offensive wrestler to continue to work for the fall until the near-fall situation has concluded; by fall or surrendering the near-fall scoring hold or maneuver and/or position. 2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Rules Page 23 Rule 5-1-4-a&b a. if a takedown or reversal, straight to near-fall criteria creates a 15-point advantage, the match shall continue until the near-fall situation has concluded. b. once the technical fall has been earned, the offensive wrestler cannot lose the match.
  5. As long as neither wrestler had wrestled their next match this was correctable, if the review of the computation of the score confirmed there was an error; however, once either wrestler begins their next match the opportunity to make the correction ends. If this were to occur in a placement match the 30-minute rule would be enforced being that there would be no additional matches to be wrestled and then team score being effected would be the point of contention for correction which is limited to 30-minutes of the official posting of team scores. Keep in mind this scenario applies strictly to tournaments.
  6. I must agree with Y2 on this. As officials we are responsible for the accuracy of the scoring of the match. As hectic as it can get at times, we must be able to keep track of the score in our head regardless of what the scoreboard shows and take the time to make corrections and/or review the scoring if necessary; especially, when approaching a technical fall, for this exact reason. That being said, there are also times such as this when it may become necessary to rely and some help from the coaches to ensure that we got it right. We can't be to prideful as to not accept input or be willing to admit we made a mistake or missed something in order to get it right. However, this does exemplify the importance of quality table help and sound mechanics from the officials. As officials we've got to take the time before an event to review our signals and ascertain the experience level and abilities of the table help. When we too quickly flash scoring and other signals it creates opportunity for error. As quick paced as many matches are we have to be patient when signaling and attentive to the rolling score. As an official, the official should certainly bare the brunt of the fault in this situation; but, at the same time, the coach does have a responsibility to the wrestler to be tuned into every facet of the match and be prepared to advocate for their athlete.
  7. You are correct... NFHS 2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Rules Page 34 Rule 6.5.a.2... ...Errors involving the computation of match score must be corrected prior to the next match in which either wrestler competes. If the error necessitates additional wrestling, it must be corrected prior to the offended contestant leaving the mat area and prior to the start of the next match on that mat. Being that this situation did not require any additional wrestling and if the score could be accurately computed to demonstrate that the technical fall had certainly been "earned" prior to any subsequent action by the defensive wrestler then this could have been corrected prior to either wrestler's next match.
  8. This is no longer the case. The rule was changed a couple of years ago. The offender would still be declared the winner, however, any team points earned within the tournament or dual would be negated and be penalized -3 team points for the flagrant misconduct. The offended wrestler would still technically be the loser and score 0-points. There are two separate examples in the 2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Case/Manual the describe this exact thing. Page 27 5.11.4 SITUATION B & C. Also, if this occurred in a tournament neither wrestler would advance, as, technically there is no winner.
  9. The leg cradle is not considered to be a head scissors and is therefore a legal hold/maneuver. However, as with any legal hold or maneuver, it may become necessary to stop; if it is deemed to be potentially dangerous and/or before it would become illegal due to any other criteria, i.e. beyond normal range of motion, restriction of breathing or blood flow, unnecessary roughness (punishing), etc. Here is the only exception to the rule stated above (7-17-5), please, refer to the picture and caption cited here for a clearer understanding... 2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Rules, page 78, picture 89 (caption) Rule 7-1-5... (7-1-5) This draping head scissor is legal because there is minimal pressure against the head or neck and the arm is included. My personal input... The key factors are; minimal pressure against the head or neck with the arm included. I look for the knees to remain bent and no pinching or restraining power of any kind. Think of it this way when considering the term "draping"; your drapes simply hang freely over you windows, therefore, the draping head scissor is the act of hanging freely around the head and neck with an arm included while applying minimal pressure. I will verbally caution the wrestler to "keep it legal" "don't apply any pressure around the head or neck", also, depending on the position and/or action I may stop it for potentially dangerous before it has a chance to become illegal.
  10. 2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Rules, page 77, picture 83 (caption)... 7-1-5q The back bow is illegal as illustrated by application A clarification regarding the back bow If Nearfall criteria has yet to be met and the offensive wrestler grabs the leg and uses it to turn or attempt to turn his opponent it is to be immediately called as illegal and the match is to be stopped and one point is to be awarded to the defensive wrestler. If, on the other hand, the offensive man simply grabs the ankle but does not exert any pressure it should be stopped as potentially dangerous and you do not give him the opportunity to make it illegal. Once near fall criteria has been earned and the defensive man is on his back then the offensive wrestler may post the ankle as long as he does not exert any pressure or pull it towards the head. This would be considered potentially dangerous, however, it is up to the official's discretion as to whether or not he actually stops it or simply "watches" it, possibly even verbally cautioning the offensive wrestler with something along the lines of "keep it legal". As with all legal holds and/or potentially dangerous holds they can become illegal at any time. For instance, while in a pinning position if the offensive wrestler not only posts the leg but grabs it and pulls it forward then it is obviously illegal.
  11. 1) is green always “home” and is that a rule? Green has been traditionally designated for the home team in dual meets. This is in large part due to the design of scoreboards, specifically, because the "home" team on the left of the scoreboard is most often highlighted in green, while the "guest" team on the right is similarly highlighted in red. This is in line with the colored wristbands the officials wear to signal scoring. However, it is no longer mandatory and may be adjusted by the official. In recent years this has become more commonplace, for example, it only makes since to designate a visiting team wearing green and/or a home team wearing red, green and red respectively. Furthermore, in tournament competition, hand written or computer generated bout sheets may pre-designate wrestlers as "home"(green) and "guest"(red), however, it is easily changed on the sheets and with the widespread use of computerized scoring; i.e. Trackwrestling, Flowrestling, etc., it is now even easier. Basically, making red, red and/or green, green simplifies scoring for everyone; officials, scorers, coaches and spectators alike and is encouraged. 2) is the match over with the slap of the mat or the whistle? Example...an official at our HS tourney said today that in terms of if time is out or not you go by the whistle and not the slap of the mat. Actually, the match is terminated once the official recognizes that a fall has occurred. This obviously occurs prior to both the whistle and/or the slap of the mat. The whistle and/or the slap of the mat are simply apparatuses to signify that a fall has occurred. Naturally, there is a brief amount of "reaction time" for the official between recognizing the fall and signally it. 3) pertaining to a head scissors (with or without an arm): in what positions can there be a draping scissors? The only one I can think of is in an Iranian. I had an official tell me it was draping when both athletes were on their hip and the offensive wrestler was stepping over for a turk from the Iranian. Is there anything in the rule that says anything about pressure against the head? I am not seeing it. I understand that for a DRAPING scissor the rule states that pressure would have to be there. However, under illegal moves it says the straight head scissors (arm included or not) is illegal. There is nothing about pressure at all. 2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Rules, page 78, picture 89 (caption) Rule 7-1-5... (7-1-5) This draping head scissor is legal because there is minimal pressure against the head or neck and the arm is included. My personal input... The key factors are; minimal pressure against the head or neck with the arm included. I look for the knees to remain bent and no pinching or restraining power of any kind. Think of it this way when considering the term "draping"; your drapes simply hang freely over you windows, therefore, the draping head scissor is the act of hanging freely around the head and neck with an arm included while applying minimal pressure. I will verbally caution the wrestler to "keep it legal" "don't apply any pressure around the head or neck", also, depending on the position and/or action I may stop it for potentially dangerous before it has a chance to become illegal.
  12. That's all on me, as, the director of officials. In the past I've made it a point to move officials around and utilize as many as possible on the championship mat. Quite honestly, I just overlooked it. I had some issues with a few inexperienced officials and I was focusing on watching those mats/matches and moving things around with them as needed. I just flat overlooked it. That being said, not one single issue was brought to my attention involving the championship mat on either day. However, the officials who dedicated their time this past weekend certainly deserved the consideration of working in on the championship mat and I apologize to them for my shortcomings in leadership. I promise it won't happen again. I have worked very hard and have been successful in recruiting some of the best officials in the state to buy into the ISWA program to serve as mentors to younger inexperienced officials at our state final events and I don't want to lose any of the headway I've made in that effort. My apologies to all...!!!
  13. 2015 Grizzly Super Duals @ Franklin Community Middle School Saturday January 24, 2015 Wrestling starts at 9:00 Participating Schools... Franklin Community Evansville Mater Dei Perry Meridian Yorktown Mishawaka Bellmont Avon (North) Center Grove Doe Creek (New Palestine) Highland Hills (Floyd Central) Batchelor (Bloomington South) Edgewood
  14. Following are the rules pertaining to your question. Keep in mind that these items should be presented at all weigh-ins to be inspected by the officials and approved prior to each competition... 2014-15 NFHS Wrestling Rules Book Rule 4-1-1 (p. 15) ART. 1 . . . Wrestlers shall wear: a. a one-piece singlet cut no lower in the back or front than the level of the armpits and under the arms no lower than one-half the distance between the armpit and the belt line. If sufficient reason is determined by the referee, a tight-fitting, short-sleeved or sleeveless undershirt of a single, solid color unadorned with no more than one manufacturer’s logo/trademark/reference may be worn under the one-piece singlet; ... ... Full-length tights with stirrups are acceptable under a one-piece uniform. Any other undergarment that extends beyond the inseam of a one-piece uniform shall be a tight-fitting, single solid color, unadorned and shall not extend below the knee. ART. 2 . . . Any manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference that appears on the wrestling uniform, including legal hair covering can be no more than 2¼ square inches with no dimension more than 2¼ inches and may appear no more than once on each item of uniform apparel. An American flag, not to exceed 2 by 3 inches, and either a commemorative or memorial patch, not to exceed 4 square inches and with written state association approval, may be worn.
  15. The IHSAA Wrestling Officials Certification Clinic scheduled to be held at Madison High School this Saturday November 8th 8:30-12:30 is being moved to... Anderson Elementary School 2325 Cherry Dr. Madison, IN 47250 If you should have any questions or concerns regarding this change or the clinic in general contact me directly at 812-653-0598 Best regards, Jim Littlejohn
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