FormerHornet

Dont everyone start thinking about the Woods vs Parris thing even being a lock to happen. Woods has Larson in his half of the bracket and we all know that like heavys these 220 matches have a tendency to be close. Larson has a GREAT chance.  

Current national rankings (Flo/Intermat):
 
Red 1/1 (#4 pound for pound)
Lee 7/4
 
Woods 5/6
Parris 20/19
 
For my money, the climb from 19 to 5 is less steep than the climb from 7/4 to #1.
 
And I think Parris is being undervalued in his ranking.  I think there's always a much bigger jump from freshman to sophomore year in terms of improvement than in any other year--and all the more for a big guy like Parris.  His performance this past weekend (3 quick pins and a tech--3 of those results over top-10 guys) just solidified the notion that he is on the cusp of being a national STAR.  Meanwhile, Woods has shown multiple times this year that he could be beatable, even against guys down in the pecking order a bit.
 
With the other match, Red's quality against the best has been proven again and again.  Except for the other top 10 pound for pound guys he's faced, he's rarely been threatened recently.  Red/Lee will be one for the ages in terms of the Indiana context, but it would be a considerable upset in the national landscape.
 
I think Parris over Woods is more likely to happen and would be less of an upset.  
 
(By the way, put Rypel (3/5 ranking) -- Davison (17/19) in here as the other mega-matchup we'll hopefully get to see.  I would also put Davison over Rypel as more likely than Lee over Red, though not as likely as Parris over Woods.)

I think Andrew Davison would like a word with you.

I believe that NC SS should have 9 in finals match for sure and could possibly see 3 of those .weight classes with 2 NC SS wrestlers in the finals against each other. Then there are 2 other weight classes that I think NC SS should have the #3 guy, so if things play out right for them with the draw, they could find them selves under the lights to make 11 weight classes, with NC SS finalist. As for state champs I think they will have 5. So it is written, so it be done.

Stalling

I'd say Joe Lee and Timberman have a shot.

I won sectional, but never state

Brennan Cosgrove should be #1 at ALL weight classes, duh!

Ummm look at the statistics from Ohio and Kansas, they BOTH have a lower rate of forfeits for the smaller schools. Obviously SOMETHING is hurting our numbers, while theirs aren't great, but not as bad as our numbers.

Here is their class breakdown by school size
Division Enrollment Schools
I 351 and more 164
II 194-350 166
III 193 and less 167
Total Teams 497
Ohio Data per school
  Forfeits Schools Average
D1   2130    179   2.10
D2   2280    203   2.77
D3   1912    201   4.49

The size is boys only so DI is 702+, DII is 388-700, and DIII is 386-.
Here are Indiana's numbers if you split by those sizes
Size For  #Schools Avg
D1     202   152   1.33
D2    372   106   3.51
D3   286     50   5.72
 
As you can tell Ohio has 100 more small schools than we do.
 
From this data I can make a pretty strong argument that Ohio's small schools are in better shape than in Indiana.

Essentially, all that I've gathered from this entire thread is that single class supporters refuse to accept facts and use anecdotal evidence as truth. Multi-class supporters use valid evidence and statistics to prove their point, but to no avail. It's like playing chess with a pigeon...

That's all great, but how do kids know they are "college material" when no coaches contact them? We can tell all the kids to contact coaches and some will, some won't. It's hard for our small schools to hit all four semi-states, let alone the state finals. 
 
Wrestling is a sport with the HIGHEST amount of first generation college students, most of the parents and kids don't know these fine details. On top of that most of our coaches didn't wrestle in college, so they even don't know this. 
 
Getting the kids exposure earlier in their careers will help increase the number of college wrestlers.

I haven't posted in a long time. Thankful this message board exists since it keeps me up-to-date on all the growth wrestling has been experiencing in depth and number in the state of Indiana. However, this topic has definitely solicited a response.
 
 
Classing wrestling will absolutely increase depth. For muliple reasons but first larger populations naturally provide a larger pool of athletes, simply common sense and cannot be refuted. However, I can attest first hand that Texas (my current home) a much larger state in both geography and population than Indiana and any of the states previously mentioned does not possess the depth of Indiana wrestling much less that of Ohio, Pennyslvania, or Illinois. Also, states like Tennessee, Florida, and Georgia (just to name a few) have larger populations than Indiana and it can be argued Indiana is a better wrestling state any of the previously mentioned. Therefore, to chalk it up to simply having a larger population cannot be the correct answer in gauging talent depth. If talent depth were simply a matter of numbers then Indiana would be better than Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa and California, Texas, Florida, and New York would be our national powers.
1) the more wrestlers that qualify for semi-state or state increases exposure. The more wrestlers that receive exposure to college coaches the greater their opportunity to compete at the collegiate level and an increased likelihood to move back to their state postgraduation and participate in the wrestling community.
2) winning is contagious. If a small school starts to achieve regular success (even in a single class system) not so miraculously participation naturally increases. People naturally like being part of a successful movement it is a great source of pride. If classing wrestling affords more schools and most importantly wrestlers the opportunity to receive exposure and recognition within their community and in the eyes of potential college coaches/recruiters we should move toward that direction. 
 
I believe the more accurate gauge in a states depth is a combination of the number of colleges/universities that offer wrestling programs within a given state or geographic region (since it provides a student-athlete the opportunity if they so choose to compete past their highschool career), the growth and development of youth programs, and the overall perception of the sport in a given location. It takes time to develop a wrestling culture and this site and creative events such as the Indianamat Preseason Open and the new IHSWCA classed-state duals are awesome additions to Indiana high school wrestling.
 
 
A little bit about my resume I currently work for Texas A&M University. And have previously worked for Indiana Wesleyan University and Arizona State University. Cost of attendance is entirely a case-by-case basis. It is a variety of factors such as GPA/SAT/ACT scores, religious affiliation (in the case of some private institutions), athetlic and academic merit based aid, applying for outside scholarships, internships, work-study, if they are a 1st generation college student, number of siblings in their household, parents income, if they are from a single or multi-parent home, the states budget and dollars allocated to funding postsecondary education. Cost COULD absolutely be a factor but that is a blanket statement and only has validity as such. Therefore, everyone will have a different experience in calculating the cost of higher education it cannot be simply chalked up to the cost of college without knowing every single wrestlers background.