MattM

Is there actually specific order set by the rules for swimming and track events or is it just a traditional arrangement of events that still carries over?

Well here is the video from the match. If you don't want to watch the whole thing the big moment occurs at 0:44 into the video. .http://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ.

Well it wouldn't be the first time the IHSAA interpreted the rules in their own special way.

Hate to play Debbie Downer, but I'll point out again that I believe the Rule Books allowed for tournaments to start at a different weight class, but it is suppose to be a "blind draw." Plus, if I recall correctly the entire day must be set up follow that weight class order not just the finals. That's some decent arranging The IHSAA would have to agree to, and we will see just how "blind" they actually make it.

Last time Flo attended (in their infancy) they were only given permission to film athlete interviews in the hallway. They were not given access to film any complete matches or even use footage to make a highlights video. If thats all the access they would get this time around I doubt you will see them interested in make the trip.

It would be nice if their was a way on track to seperate the team scores for the Club/Academy and the actual MS teams. The 10 top teams in either category deserve some recognitions for bringing a tough group of kids, but they are really two seperate categories. Im sure I could read through the team names and get an somewhat accurate run down, but some type of filter option would save a little time.

I'm sure we can chalk it up to some Evansville wrestling conspiracy theory.

Heck with Periscope they should have your and Donnie Baker doing live Play-by-play on the intercom while the event is going on.

If I remember correctly in the past since they are an alternate they have to win a match to begin counting towards the team total.

Captain Insano shows no mercy.

Jennings County find the points to pull off the Regional win over Colmbus East 170-155.

Your original point was Jeff had one of weakest regional in state. That been show to be false with the extensive depth data that has been compiled to help with deciding the Team State competition. So now your new point is that some better kids from a very deep regional will get eliminated before making it to semi-state while Jeff will get some of their kids through. And that is your new logic for why Jeff is one of the "weakest regionals in the state." My previous post does not make a case to support that. In fact my point was that someone shouldn't just count only the highest variables (qualifiers, placers, top teir teams) to determine regional strength because it is not enough by itself to show a areas true depth. That data does actualtake into account that those individual advancement issues do occur and is one reason why other info is also used to strengthen the final results. But, you probably missed that point if you have no actual interest in finding out where Jeffersonville actually stacks up. Since you want to go the top individual route though, I'll work with you in that one too. Yes, when talking about either the Mooresville or Castle Regional, who are #1 and #4 in regional depth they will have a few kids not get through that are good, but that doesn't mean the Jeff wrestlers that make it are so sub-par that they can't compete. And sure some of those eliminated wrestlers may have been able to beat out someone who did advance to semi-state from Jeff. But, if they are from Mooresville or Castle Regional then those same guys you reference would also likely have a shot to beat some semi-state qualifiers from many of the Regional below top 5 on the depth chart. If all you are now worried about for is that Jeffersonville, being the weakest in state, may put sub-par individual guys through to semi-stare and state then I suggest that you check out the date Purple_Papa compiled In this thread about current state rankings per regional. http://indianamat.com/index.php/topic/49583-toughest-regional/#entry220913 I'd much rather look at it from an overall depth perspective l, but if you want to focus on just the highest variables of each regional his charts focus on just that. Those individual rankings figures also puts Jeffersonville in the mid-range of the Regionals for this current year. Although the actual results may not pan out exactly as the rankings show, our Ranking Coordinater has proven to be exceptionally accurate in recent years for identifying state placers. So if a wrestler is on his top 20 list they have proven to be more than capable of placing at state, although sometimes the draw mat eliminate them early. Thus inthe top indidivual department it would seem Jeffersonvilles Regional has enough talent to be in the mid-range or Regionals this season. The data seems to indicate the Jeffersonville Regional is not going to putting out a sub-par individuals thst may under preform at the next level. They will donkey fine even if they are in place of some Castle or Mooresville Regional guy who didn't make it through. Yes Jeff depth is at least step below Mooresville and Castle, but currently so is most of the state too. All the regionals not in the top 5 can't be considered "one of the weakest in the state, " can they? So, referencing the superior depth of two of the states top Regionals has little bearing on your original claim that Jeffersonville is one of the "weakest Regional in the state." But at least you are persistent rather than just saying you may be mistaken or realizing it was unnecessary to say that to begin with. If you want you can follow this up with another avenue. However, since more than one set of stats have now show your claim to be off base I'm not sure any further debate is necessary on my part. There should be some quality wrestling tomorrow at Jeff from several different teams and individuals. And out Jeff should be some solid wrestlers who have proven they are more than capable of preforming well at semi-state and state.

Well for one he did say "weakest sectional in state," not just our part of the state. So your sample size is a little small from what his remarks were about and my response was explaining. Besides, based on your numbers Jeffersonville and Bloomington state qualifiers are basically equal over the last 3 years. So by using those numbers Evansville's semi-state has the two weakest regional in the state and since that half the semi-state it would seem to imply Evansville semi-state must not be very strong. I don't believe that to be true at all. If you look at the data over the past few years Jeffersonville Regional falls in the mid-range of for Regional depth. While that data is heavy on state qualification it also takes into account a few more factors which help provide a better look at each Regional past few years and current depth. No one is claiming Jeffersonville's Regional should be considered one of the top in state, but to claim it's the "weakest in the state" is far from correct. Also, the thing with using just state placers number to determine regional strength within our own semi-state is that the regional all "eat each other" because of the blind draw and the no wrestle-back ticket round of semi-state. Meaning top guys from one regional eliminate a very solid wrestler from another regional who would have also had the potential to place in state. Example a Castle Regional guy eliminated a very likely additional Mooresville state placers in Brayton Lee. In years the Evansville semi-state is exceptionally this type situation could like this occurs a few times making it a little harder to just relying on state placer data when trying to determine how strong the regional around the state are. Or in years where one team got multiple state placers, but no other team from that regional even qualified for state, someone would be hard pressed to call that regional one of the strongest just based on state placer. Sure the regional has some studs, but if they are all from one team that is more a sign of team strength than regional strength. Sure, state placement can be a solid indicator of team or area strength, but it may not paint the entire picture. Using state qualification/placement combined with a few other useful factors looks to be the best indicator we currently have available of overall regional depth. If someone is capable of looking past just the highest peaks (state qualifiers, placers, or just what Regional has the top tier team) the data shows the Jeffersonville Regional falls in the middle of the states Regional in terms of depth. While that depth is not as strong as Mooresville or Castles Regional (currently two of the deepest in the state) to me the information does not justify Jeffersonville's Regional being called the "weakest in the state" this year or in the last few years. Sorry if this sounds a little defensive (it's early in the morning), but I never understand someone (old school or anyone else) would want to talk down an area or a team. There are plenty of things that can be help up as postives, rather than gravitating to a negative jab when nothing really warrants going there.

Well according to the IHSWCA Team State Quota system that reflects several years of data for Sectional and Regional depth, Jeffersonville ranks right in the middle of the regionals. Not sure you can say near the weakest regional unless your only criteria for determining this is prior and projected state champion production. In which case that would be a very narrow data set for determining actual overall regional strength.

Well this could actually have so grounds in reality though. I do of some families that have decided to revert back to the previous "old-world" spelling of their family name. This is in an attempt to show their families original country heritage prior to the U.S. Immigration department mangling the name or the first-generation migrants modifying the name to help avoid discrimination.

The Hoosier Hills Conference results may help some out in actually realizing how things stack up at a few weights or just how close a few of the matches (re-matches) may be.

New Haven Sectional Results Places 1st Place - Owen Doster of New Haven 2nd Place - Drake Rhodes of Homestead 3rd Place - Chase Hissong of Leo 4th Place - Jordan Pace of F.w. Snider Regional Formula for that weight would be: C1 vs NH4 C3 vs NH2 C2 vs NH 3 C4 vs NH1

Well when you draw the Forfeit family for the first two rounds your bound to have a quick sectional. Those guys never seems to last long.

From the National Wrestling RulesART. 4 . . . A random draw of weight classes for championship final matches for an individually bracketed tournament, regular season and/or state high school championship series, may be used for competition. In multi-dual events and team advancement tournaments, the sequence determined by the draw will be followed for that day’s subsequent dual-meet competition; the subsequent dual meet shall begin one weight class beyond the starting weight class of the previ- ous round. The following procedure shall be used for all random draws: a. The random draw shall take place immediately preceding weigh-ins. b. The referee or other authorized person shall supervise the random draw. c. Subsequent matches will follow in the traditional order. While you can reorder the starting weight class in a tournament, the part of the rule about it being a "random draw" would create a issue with ending at a specific weight. I'm sure the powers that be could amazingly find a way to randomly draw the premier weight class to go last, but I don't see the IHSAA going along with that type of "random."

If one of the main issues is how these low entry teams effects the 1A and 2A cut off, couldn't they just adjust the 1A/2A cut number higher to account for those schools. That way the low entry school are still included in the point scoring process, but their addition wont misrepresent/skew a fair cut off point between where 1A and 2A should be. I mentioned this in previous years as a possible easy fix if that was the main issue with those school being allowed in. In an all inclusive system we do need to consider that some of these low entry schools (4 or 5 kids) could theoretically have enough incoming wrestlers the next season between new freshman and others join to fill well over half their line-up the next season. We know that realistically they wont score enough to be included in the team state event, but they are still a team in the individual tournament. The cut adjustment to account for those schools though let them get a score, but their inclusion wouldn't affecting the more realistic split we should have between the 1A and 2A classes. I'm not sure the same cut adjustment would need to then be made between 2A and 3A. Sure it may make the classes uneven, but the point would be to just account how 1A and 2A are off set by the low entries. That same issue may not effect where the proper cut would be between 2A and 3A.

I'm not going to be surprised if we see Pierre high tail it back home before things get started.

The Lower Level Suites were the way to go. Cheaper suite tickets, not crowded, close to the action, and occasional food added in. But you had to have someone connected with the suites corporate sponsor get the tickets and chaperon the evening. Man I miss those days. I'm willing to volunteer my services if anyone need another one of those seats filled.

Sorry , you have to wait in line two hours like everyone else. They haven't installed the Evansville Wrestling Tour Fast Pass system yet.

It is allowed in tournament format. However, I believe the wording says that the event must run based on that weight order the entire day. So that would be a little more shuffling than just a finals rearrangement. I don't see the IHSAA doing this though since they may feel it puts more emphasis on certain individuals (even if it is due) than trying to respect all state finalists for their accomplishments.

No once the brackets are set at the seeding meeting an entered wrestler is not able to change weights. An alternate can take the place of a wrestler, but that would mean the entered wrestler is removed. But, even if you could move I don't see it happening in Red's case. Lee's the one with very little actual mat time this season and still coming back from an injury. The long grind of a state tournament series would seem favor Red at point they would likely meet in the state tournament. Based on those variables, I see no reason for anyone to say he'd run even if it was an option. We will have to wait about a month to know for sure how things will go between them. I'm just hoping Lee stays healthy enough to put on the type of match he is capable of. If he does then we are in for possibly the best show of overall wrestling skill in the history of Indiana wrestling.