Yeah, again, we're splitting hairs trying to separate them. If you want to compare victory margins, then we have to bring in other results too: EMD 47, Memorial 9; Reitz 34, Memorial 24. These matches happened just before Christmas--well after football. If we're going simply on wins and losses, then they're all three at 1-1 amongst each other and the only option is to look at strength of victories outside of the duals amongst themselves. Again, there's no way to say EMD is better than Reitz because we know what happened in the dual. But there's also no way to say Reitz is better than Castle...and no way to say Castle is better than EMD. So we go with the data we have available until the top team proves themselves in the tournament. Catfish: I explained a couple more things in a p.m. Thanks for your thoughtful posts.