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18 points (16 plus 2 for conference) Basics: "6 weeknight points": 4 meets must be one on one duals, 2 others can be a little creative - leaving room for 6 duals, or 4 duals and a "triple dual" 12 other points to play with left, that the state has left alone for you to figure out what is best for your program - 6 tourney's, 12 individual duals, etc....... however you see best as the leader of your team
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"It may or may not decrease the number of forfeits, but won't increase the overall participation." totally agree Coach Coop Ive been at both small school and big school and I don't like this for either school. Eliminating weight classes at the big school means less kids wrestle at the big schools, decreasing number of wrestlers. While understandably hard to do, it is all about creative scheduling, and marketing to keep the dual interesting (for schools of all sizes)- not cutting weight classes. Don't just think strict traditional dualsif that doesn't work for your program - current rules for scheduling allow for many different formats of meets
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Great practice tonight!!!!! Coach Quinn runs a great room and is highly motivated!!! 30+ kids, and even a Josh McCorkle from Bellermine U in the room wrestling. Every grade level and weight represented from 6th grade to 12th grade Next Thursday with Lindenwood Belleville
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5/2/2018 Mason Paris
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updateded FOLKSTYLE-ISH 3/1/2018, 5:15 to 6:45 - RTC- Thurs. Chris Frieje, Kentucky Weslyan - 5:15-6:45, Arizona State Champ (had 40 kids good practice, he had great stuff! good stories from his days with Robles) 3/8/2018, 5:15 to 6:45 - RTC - Thurs Coach Quinn, Ancilla Junior College - 5:15-6:45 3/15/2018, 5:15 to 6:45 - RTC - Thurs Angelo Crinzi, Lindenwood Belleville - 5:15-6:45 FREESTYLE/GRECO 3/29/2018, RTC - Thursday 4:30 to 6:00 Ryan Kirst, Ashland University NCAA AA 4/5/2018, RTC - Thursday 4:30 to 6:00 Stephen Bradley , Marian University, 3x State Champ 4/12/2018, RTC - Thursday 4:30 to 6:00 RTC - Brandon Wright- IU coach, 2x NAIA Champ, 2x State Champ 4/13-14/208, MEET Team Jeff Ironman Tourney 4/19/2018, RTC Thursday 4:30 to 6:00, -Lindsey Wilson University, 5th in the country 2018 4/26/2018, RTC Thursday 4:30 to 6:00, RTC - Spencer Adams, Bellermine University STATE WEEK CLINICS 4/30/2018, 4:30-6 RTC Monday Blake Mauer - 4x State Champ 5/1/2018, 4:30 - 6 RTC Tuesday Chad Red owner of "Red Cobra" and Brayton Lee 3x state champ 5/2/2018, 4:30-6 RTC Wednesday - Clinician TBA 5/3/2018, 4:30 - 6 RTC Thursday Matt Coughlin - Fargo National Champion, NCAA AA, and 2x State Champ
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reminder - first RTC this thursday time will be 5:15 to 6:45 - USAW/ISWA card and gas pitch in for the clinician Coach Chris Frieje of NCAA D2 Kentucky Weslyan will be here https://www.kwcpanthers.com/news/2017/11/20/general-chris-freije-selected-to-lead-wrestling-program.aspx?path=general
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April 19th - Lindsey Wilson College
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March 29 - Ryan Kirst - Ashland University Assistant Coach - D2 All-American
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Clinician List TBA - just want to get dates down. We have had EVERY area college in Indiana, plus many NON area colleges - have had in multiple Olympic Medalists, NCAA Champs, etc... Always a great time - normally 30+ area kids. High of 90 / low 30 depending on dates We are 1 mile north of Louisville KY in Indiana. ALL DATES WRITTEN ARE THURSDAYS - BUT WE MAY ADD IF CLINICIANS NEED Dates would be: March 1- 5:15-6:45 - KENTUCKY WESLYAN - Brand new D2 wrestling school in KY! Chris Freije March 8- 5:15-6:45 -------folkstyle state weekend March 15- 5:15-6:45 off for spring break FREE/GRECO - will follow National team curriculum as well as clinicians technique/live plan for the day March 29 - 4:30 - 6 April 5 - 4:30 - 6 April 12 - 4:30 - 6 April 19 - 4:30 - 6 April 26 - 4:30 - 6 May 3 - 4:30 - 6 -----FREESTYLE GRECO/STATE IF you wanna go after state - we would love to keep hosting May 10 May 17 May 24 May 31 The best way to get better is together! Danny Struck Jeffersonville High School, Indiana
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Question 10 id like to see the rule be something like "weigh anywhere in that weight class or above" but can't go down to the next weight class until your decent plan allows. Example: a kid that wrestled 113 but can not weight below 112.1....every time he weighs 112.0 or less it is non-qualifying - all this kid did was wake up in the morning weighing less or peed, or whatever - but he obviously isn't trying to go 106 that day....and possibly maybe ever - but he keeps missing weight. Id love to see the "calculator/spreadsheet" take real world into account that pizza eating/fluctuating teenagers sometimes just weight less and sometimes weigh more without cutting weight. As long as they are withing their weight class Id like to see it count......just no dropping to the next weight until the plan allowed.
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Coach Minch collects "career coaching Milestones" Head coaches, former head coaches, please add yours: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe4aLd1BMKi4JB3ydjEjuTS7AGnpYPAcBjBoQCw_jsNLyQ1og/viewform?c=0&w=1
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The IHSWCA will send the academic all-state list out to all colleges in the country - hoping your kids get some looks!
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The IHSWCA will send the academic all-state list out to all colleges in the country - hoping your kids get some looks!
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That is true. No sport does. Other sports don't have weight classes either though. We are the sport "everyone" can do. I'm glad those small seniors have a place to wrestle, without the small underclassman all of them would have to bump up and be the tiny kid. My 98lbs soaking weight wrestler, even if on JV wrestling, wrestling kids that weigh 115 would not be very encouraging to him. Im trying to keep him convinced now that wrestling off-season at 100lbs will be much more fun for him - i hope. I don't disagree with what you all are saying. I agree that it is mostly an underclassman weight class. It is what it is. Just as 220 and HWT have lots of seniors. Im just saying I like that an undersized freshman, or even a senior, has a weight class for them. For the same reason I am a fan of class wrestling - the small school can't help being small - i am a fan for keeping a weight class for the small kid - he can't help being small either.
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I'm never a fan of raising the lowest weight - its not about how many forfeits there are at that one, it is how little some high school freshman still are. Went to one tourney this year where every 106 was under 100lbs. Although there were some forfeits, we don't need a 90lbs kid wrestling a kid 110 or heavier IMO
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3A Team State Qualifying Scores (through regional)
dstruck replied to maligned's topic in Past Discussions
from years ago at the meeting when the concept of team state started in this fashion and then evolved into the larger fomat this was the thought: make sure there are teams from each semi-state. Under the "old format" when IHSAA ran the team state duals a team from every semi-state would qualify in most sports (basketball, football, baseball, etc..) as you work toward state you have one team from each semi-state making the finals four and then the two moving on. If the number one and number 2 teams would beat each other out at sectionals only one would move on. so much of the automatic qualifier is to get representation from the entire state - but allowing the point system here to hopefully bring back in some of the top teams - which is why the format has grown to encompass more teams -
Academic All-State was due Tuesday - so get them in ASAP! Use this link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSejH5guDwH_7HH87_FN9DaMFN77B3FcICm1CHU9ZjBOo6k9ww/viewform some columns have been added so that a college coach can contact the kid, and that the college coach can see their ACT/SAT scores. We get email after email each year from colleges asking for more info on our AAS kids, hopefully this helps them both out!!! The list will be sent to all colleges that have wrestling. Must be nominiated by a member of the IHSWCA - not a member yet? https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfk03NFI7cv2-0m3QzNxqZvwG7xsc4x1LNk5UZ_YGuku7rRCw/viewform
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forfeits are spread across the board, elimating them doesn't help - create need! Meaning, when you need 14, you push to get 14 or more and sometimes fall short. Eliminate to 12 weights, then you push to get 12 or more kids. The need draws kids, even if we fall short. Telling people we will settle for less kids could be taking a step back. The less weight classes there are, the less there will be a need for kids for wrestling. on 106 - its not always the quality of wrestling (which i don't think there is a lack of), or even how many 106 there are, it can be about how light some of the kids get below 106. I have had years where both my 106 are below 90lbs, this year 98lbs. Was at a tourney once where all 106 were below 100. doesn't matter how many of them there are, its saftey for them. Keeping a weight for these kids is a must.
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Done: Ordered for concessions and coaches
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So wrestling a weaker schedule makes your record better. Regardless of forfeits or not. Correct. that was the same way before this rule, it’s the same after this rule. A kid with a tougher schedule may have more losses. That was the same before this rule. It’s the same after this rule. Forfeits dont show strength of schedule. If true, that is the same before and after this rule. Unethical people existed before this rule and exist after this rule This just stops some getting seeded higher due to having many forfeits as the reason. Yes coaches can dodge. But what about the kid that was never dodged, never was hurt, never missed a match. He was 15-15. That kid was getting out behind someone that was 15-13 with 5 forfeits. this rule simply says compare matches wrestled to matches wrestled not forfeits to forfeits or strength of forfeit or reason for forfeit no scenario will ever be perfect due to many many reasons- but this is better in 4 years of its changed back can you imagine what people used to the rule will say “can u believe this new rule wants to use forfeits to decide who is better”
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Dustin wrote that while stocking up for snow-mania-Southern indiana 2018, by what he stocked for it, i can tell u he is Messing us! Galagore: I agree with you in this one. It’s been a good , healthy, conversation- learning a lot here on views I really didn’t see before hand- good work on keeping it all civil and discussing.
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The rules were the same for all seeding meetings- whether rules were followed? That goes backs to the ethics and awareness of coaches and meet directors. we used it at ours too It was evident that people didn’t follow the rules last year so Mr Faulkens sent a reminder. Same rules as last year.
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My belief: as long as their is wrestling there will be a need for all size schools in tourneys. Just look at the schools this year and even this week looking for another team to join their 6 way. They don’t care how big or small the school is, they want another team. even in some of the “big school” 6 ways you see 4 large schools and 2 smaller as they want a round that isn’t as intense (giving the kid a round off) or to make the day quicker. Next year two of your 6 weeknights can be rolled into one so two smaller schools and a big school can go together (at least that is the intent- what people make it to we can’t help) tournaments are a great way to ensure a smaller school gets included - example- jeff Classic, despite the forfeits I know kids get matches of all size schools- which is my intent in the size variance of schools invited. I believe others do the same i see where your coming from fellas. I just think and hope it won’t have the backlash perceived by some. I like it for now and look forward to seeing if it improves accurate seeding.
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Joe- i agree how it could be seen that kids are at a disadvantage - but that isn’t my reality at least. Wrestling a tougher schedule will Still produce tougher wrestlers that despite a seed will march forward in the tourney. I believe the real intent of ethical coaches is put their kids up against tough or worthy competition to continually grow the wrestler. if someone weakens their schedule to manipulate this rule- it will bite them at some point- that kid with a great record (lots of wins, low forfeits, but lesser competition) won’t go as far. i think many people do their kids a disservice by getting their kids overseesed and the kid falling short and feel a failure. First, I’d love an accurate seed. But other than that i like when a kid overcomes their seed and feels good about themselves. I feel many kids got overseeded due to forfeits and left feeling real discouraged and just don’t understand that actual competition would have grown them.
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Galagore- I agree with that- it would count and it does count in a dual meet. Just not when saying who the better teams is. Originally seeding meetings were were just plain- “hey guys who is better” and it was talked out. Rules were made for dishonesty , for those that had trouble compromising, and for flat out “we don’t know”. The intent of the seeding meeting is to have people try and come to a conclusion on who the best wrestler is. Not just a stat. Thus not using forfeits to compare individuals. so the forfeit still counts- for a win, for team points- for glory and honor- just not in a discussion of how good a wrestler is in my opinion of course This topic interests me more than most, as seen by my number of responses- as I really had no idea anyone would disagree with it.... I thought most would go “yeah, forfeits don’t show who is better” so it’s been interesting finding out that this isn’t the case. Interesting to see how many see forfeits as a measure of the wrestler.
